Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 8th Feb 2006 17:09 UTC, submitted by gubol123
Windows Someone claims to have found Vista's release date by using a clever trick. "How do I know? Well, Microsoft EMEA has put up a website where you can guess the launch date for Windows Vista. After you submit a date, it plays a hint video. There’s actually a bunch of videos, some of which are quite funny. Anyway, here comes the interesting part: If you take a look at the page source, the videos are hosted on a Microsoft server in Switzerland. And depending on your guess, they are being loaded either from a subdirectory /early/ or another one named /late/. By simple iteration I quickly found that 'early' ends Nov 30th while 'late' starts Dec 1st. So either one of these will be the launch date. If this all is not a dirty little trick from the webmaster, of course..."
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Sort of reminds me of Apple's Copland
by mini-me on Wed 8th Feb 2006 17:21 UTC
mini-me
Member since:
2005-07-06

...I've read about it enough already - please shut up and release it :-)

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Googlesaurus Member since:
2005-10-19

If you have already read enough about Vista....
You are in for a very long year.

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tertiary_adjunct
Member since:
2006-01-15

December 2007 seems an awfully long time for a release. I wonder how many other features might get ditched in the process.

Not that I care that much. I'm sure I'll have an opportunity to start running OS X 10.5 by that time.

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bretthoerner Member since:
2005-06-29

Er, 2007?

Pretty sure they mean this year.

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schala Member since:
2006-01-17

I think this is why Microsoft stopped naming their OSes after years. First we had Windows 2000, which would have been Windows 2001 if it were released any later. Now we have what would have been Windows 2003... in 2006...

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Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Windows 2000, which would have been Windows 2001 if it were released any later.

No. Windows 2000 was actually released in 1999. I had it running in our lab long before the Y2K. Windows XP was actually released in 2001.

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Dec 1st
by natjzz on Wed 8th Feb 2006 17:31 UTC
natjzz
Member since:
2005-12-24

this year or ... ? ;)

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Another year
by tertiary_adjunct on Wed 8th Feb 2006 17:45 UTC
tertiary_adjunct
Member since:
2006-01-15

Another year of propaganda straight from Microsoft is headed your way!

Vista will have enhanced security and better access to the internet; just as was claimed with WinXP, Win ME, and Win98! Not only will you have inproved access to networked shares, but so will all the spyware and trojans you are sure to get with the recent leak of Internet Explorer 7 code!

Relax and enjoy as your computer seizes up in new and unexpected ways, and witness the improved BSOD: from blue, to slaughtered chicken red!

Experience the power of Monad scripting as it launches a DRM protected worm on your system!

Millions of Windows users have come to trust that they can't trust their computer. Why don't you join them? Experience Vista for yourself.

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RE: Another year
by Larz on Wed 8th Feb 2006 18:12 UTC in reply to "Another year"
Larz Member since:
2006-01-04

Relax and enjoy as your computer seizes up in new and unexpected ways, and witness the improved BSOD: from blue, to slaughtered chicken red!

Funny. I administrate several hundred Windows machines at my job. And I hardly ever experience BSODs anymore. When it happens, it its most often due to hardware defects in a failing laptop (memory or motherboard).

Windows is far from perfect. But BSODS hasnīt really been an issue for some years. So I sonīt expect to see the RSOD too often.

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RE[2]: Another year
by mym6 on Wed 8th Feb 2006 21:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Another year"
mym6 Member since:
2005-08-26

Agreed. I rarely see BSOD's in 2000 or XP. In fact, 2000 has been even less prone to BSOD than our XP boxes. Every BSOD I've suffered through at home or at work is because of bad drivers for old equipment (old zip drives, old sound cards)

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RE: Another year
by Genbushi on Wed 8th Feb 2006 18:26 UTC in reply to "Another year"
Genbushi Member since:
2006-02-08

Yeah, we all know MS media tactics, but that's their business. But the whole BSOD thing is a moot point for several years now...just doesn't happen unless you're doing something wrong as the user or administrator, or hardwaredriver issues. I work as a Linux & Solaris admin, but I also use XP. It's a great OS, not perfect...but certainly not the BSOD machine that people love to dwell on.

Some things I'd like to see MS change, but that's the same with the Linux world too, in fact likely more the case in Linux land. I watch evolution crash consistantly, Firefox lock up and other panel anamolies on a regular basis; XP can't recall any problems. I use OS X at home personally additionally. I think XP, OS X and Linux are all great platforms, each with their own strengthweakness & environments where they excel, but to dwell on the BSOD thingy....silly.

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RE[2]: Another year
by helf on Thu 9th Feb 2006 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Another year"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

good grief people. are you always so serious? The guy was joking. (least i assume so.. ;)

btw, bsod's might happen rarely for you (i havent had one in over a year...) but for the average joe user, they happen A LOT. trust me. I have to work on peoples computers.

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RE: Another year
by Bit_Rapist on Wed 8th Feb 2006 22:39 UTC in reply to "Another year"
Bit_Rapist Member since:
2005-11-13

Experience the power of Monad scripting as it launches a DRM protected worm on your system!

your whole post was great. I laughed my @ss off. ;)

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re: Another year
by rockwell on Wed 8th Feb 2006 17:59 UTC
rockwell
Member since:
2005-09-13

//Relax and enjoy as your computer seizes up in new and unexpected ways, and witness the improved BSOD: from blue, to slaughtered chicken red!//

Funny, I've been using XP Pro since release, and I've seen maybe two BSOD's in that time -- usually after overclocking some hardware, or using crappy 3rd-party drivers/hardware (hardly the OS's fault).

Never have had a virus, or a trojan. (yes, junior, I'm sure.)

It's actually quite easy to avoid all that crap. Do a little research and tweaking, and XP is a fine OS for just about any need.

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RSOD = Win64 NTLoader error
by makfu on Wed 8th Feb 2006 18:20 UTC
makfu
Member since:
2005-12-18

For the last time, the RSOD is a the fault screen color for the Win64 (and early 32bit Vista builds) NT bootloader.

The kernel bugcheck (panic) screen in EVERY VERSION of NT (including all versions of Longhorn) is, and always WILL BE, BLUE.

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StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

By hibernating Win2k, installing a different video card, and booting up again, I was once able to produce a Green Screen of Death ;)

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GSOD
by hechacker1 on Wed 8th Feb 2006 21:18 UTC
hechacker1
Member since:
2005-08-01

Anyways... while we are at it. This is what happened when one of my drives in the RAID was dying.

http://ordorica.org/misc/gsod.jpg

Even though I am a windows user, and have no major complaints for XP, I am also ready to jump ship for Mac OS when the smaller MacBook Pro's come out. But then again.. game support.

By the time Vista actually comes out (Me thinks overnight between Nov and Dec) I'm not to sure i'll still be impressed by it compared to Mac OS X, although it will still be worth upgrading my older pc's to it just for the security and features sake.

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tomcat
Member since:
2006-01-06

In order to release the product on December 1st, OEMs, ISVs, and IHVs (Dell, IBM, Gateway, etc) will have to have the product in their hands by September 1st, in order to do driver engineering and compatibility testing. So, really, Microsoft is really less than 7 months away from shipping.

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v BSOD misdirection
by JLF65 on Wed 8th Feb 2006 23:01 UTC
RE: BSOD misdirection
by DigitalAxis on Wed 8th Feb 2006 23:36 UTC in reply to "BSOD misdirection"
DigitalAxis Member since:
2005-08-28

Well, I haven't had that happen either.

I have gotten two blue screens of death, both the result of a sudden catastrophic hard drive failure.

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RE: BSOD misdirection
by JustThinkIt on Thu 9th Feb 2006 00:08 UTC in reply to "BSOD misdirection"
JustThinkIt Member since:
2005-09-04

I love how MS apologists yammer about not getting BSOD's in XP. Of course, they neglect to say that the reason why is MS disabled the BSOD display for XP. Unless you change a registry setting, the default for a crash in XP is to reboot immediately and then pop up a dialog box on the desktop asking if you wish to send a crash report to MS. See? No more BSOD! But the system still crashes like it always did.

You are quite confused. If an _application_ has issues, it comes up with the "send crash report" dialog (unless you have turned off the asking of that question). Rebooting does not occur in these situations.

The only time I have seen rebooting is on hardware failure, usually of the hard drive itself, although XP does an exceptional job of working around partial drive failures.

Floyd
http://www.just-think-it.com

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RE: BSOD misdirection
by sappyvcv on Thu 9th Feb 2006 00:09 UTC in reply to "BSOD misdirection"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Only time my computer has EVER rebooted by itself was (a) when that RPC exploit was out, and it only happened twice before I fixed it (b) my hardware failed (processing overheating)

My other desktop has never rebooted itself. My laptop has never rebooted itself. My work desktop has never rebooted itself.

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RE[2]: BSOD misdirection
by RenatoRam on Thu 9th Feb 2006 08:18 UTC in reply to "RE: BSOD misdirection"
RenatoRam Member since:
2005-11-14

You are lucky, then. I've seen the described behaviour more than one time, and it is perfectly true that the default behaviour for XP in case of hardware, driver or kernel error is to reboot without showing any info.

You can check it yourself by performing these steps:
1. Go to Start -> Control Panel -> System
2. Go to Advanced
3. Under the Startup and Recovery section, click Settings...
4. Under System Failure un-check "Automatically restart"
(citing from http://www.tunexp.com/tips/maintain_your_computer/disabling_blue_sc... )

In those case when an autoreboot happens you'll have to uncheck the setting to actually see the blue screen, and normally you'll discover that the video driver hanged the machine :-)

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RE: BSOD misdirection
by rockwell on Thu 9th Feb 2006 15:24 UTC in reply to "BSOD misdirection"
rockwell Member since:
2005-09-13

//See? No more BSOD! But the system still crashes like it always did.//

That's an *application* crashing, not the OS.

Much like what happens with the "bomb message" in KDE. Linux didn't crash, an application did.

Get your facts straight, asshat.

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RE[2]: BSOD misdirection
by JLF65 on Thu 9th Feb 2006 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE: BSOD misdirection"
JLF65 Member since:
2005-07-06

You are an idiot. As others have pointed out, system crashes are often followed by a crash report requester after the system reboots. I was not talking about an application crash that doesn't result in a reboot. As usual, MS shills try to deflect attention from the problems of the OS by attacking the messenger.

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All this vista talk...
by CodeMonkey on Thu 9th Feb 2006 00:53 UTC
CodeMonkey
Member since:
2005-09-22

All this Vista talke reminds me of a classic dialog after a BSOD:

General: "You told us Windows 98 would be faster and more efficient and provide better access to the internet!"
Bill Gates: "It is. Windows 98 has over one million new fe-"
General: *BANG*!!!

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Vista alpha release and Xp crashes...
by mr6volt on Thu 9th Feb 2006 03:33 UTC
mr6volt
Member since:
2006-02-04

With regards to Vista

I have tried out the Beta version, and was NOT impressed. It apeared to be something akin to a Service pack to Xp that gives a face lift and adds a ripped off version of MacOSX's Spotlight. It was very unstable and lacked about 90% of the drivers it should have had.

How they claimed that it ready for release 2 years ago is beyond me...

Maybe they innovated Steve Job's "Reality Distortion Field" away from apple? Or started doing black tar heroin perhaps? *sigh*

Regarding the XP crashing discussion.

I have seen it blue screen upon boot up due to a failing hard drive many times(in win2k as well). Also it has suddenly rebooted for no apparent reason just as many times(Accompanied with an annoying little pop-up message that doesnt do or say anything usefull. "YES, I KNOW it crashed! But WHY!?!?!?").

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Beta
by Pr3st00 on Thu 9th Feb 2006 11:31 UTC
Pr3st00
Member since:
2005-12-02

Maybe the context page is beta as well:

System.IndexOutOfRangeException
Index was outside the bounds of the array.
at guessstats.microsoft.com._cls.CustomerServicesUtils.writeNewsletterSub scription(Int32 intCommunicationID) at ASP.msdn_betaexperience_launchcontest_setcf_aspx.Page_Load(Object sender, EventArgs e)

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