Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 17th Feb 2006 12:53 UTC, submitted by Kelly Rush
SkyOS Just a few days after Mono got ported to SkyOS, SkyOS now has support for System.Windows.Forms. A screenshot of the first C# application using System.Windows.Forms developed in and for SkyOS is available at the SkyOS website. Support is not complete yet, obviously.
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oh! that's a...
by JrezIN on Fri 17th Feb 2006 13:18 UTC
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I should say that is surprising... but looking back how fast some features got in SkyOS, I won't say that... =]

Great work, keep going!

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v Closed
by Bonus on Fri 17th Feb 2006 13:57 UTC
RE: Closed
by Darkness on Fri 17th Feb 2006 15:22 UTC in reply to "Closed"
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It will probably just go all Mono it being closed and all.

What do you mean by that? The kernel is closed source indeed, but there is a good and consistent api to develop for skyos. You don't need kernel sources to write an instant messenger...

Mono being ported just gives SkyOS a tremendous advantage compared to other hobby operating systems concerning developpers and available applications.

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RE: Closed
by Fusion on Fri 17th Feb 2006 15:54 UTC in reply to "Closed"
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Adding functionality to *ANY* alternative OS is a good thing, regardless of whether it's open or closed.

I love the open source model, but I don't believe it should be the ABSOLUTE benchmark of a project's value or worth. True freedom in software entails not only a user's right to choose his/her environment, but also the right of a developer to choose which paradigm and/or license best suits their needs and wants.

Growth in any alternative OS is beneficial, as more complete feature sets make those OS's marketable to larger audiences. Marketability can lead to adoption, and adoption leads to diversification in global OS ecologies.......which is both FANTASTIC and DESIRED.

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RE[2]: Closed
by Kelly Rush on Fri 17th Feb 2006 16:19 UTC in reply to "RE: Closed"
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I'll burn a +mod point on this one. ;)

Very insightful.

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...lying around somewhere. I should try installing it on my son's IBM. It never worked on my home-grown PC.

Supposedly since I paid for the beta copy (twice actually because I could not remember my password to their forums) I should receive the V1.0 copy. Unfortunately I've moved across the country since then so they will not have my new address and I will have to pay for it AGAIN because it has been many months since I've logged onto their forums and I've probably forgotten my password again and lost any paper it was written on in the move. ;)

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Kelly Rush Member since:

If you just contact Robert or myself and provide us with a copy of your PayPal transaction, we will gladly get your password changed for you.

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Looks better than the Linux port
by snowflake on Fri 17th Feb 2006 17:23 UTC
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The screen shot on SkyOS looks better than mono samples on linux! Winforms for Mono on Linux and particularly on Mac is a non-starter for professional work, it is very buggy and the look is terrible particularly on Linux.

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All you have to do is:
export MONO_THEME=clearlooks
and you get the same look on Linux.

And, the bugs will be elimnated in the next months.

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This is nice to see...
by bornagainenguin on Fri 17th Feb 2006 18:30 UTC
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Does this mean we'll eventually see some of the Windows Home Digital Recorder type applications ported soon? Personally I'm hoping that SkyOS will be supporting my Hauppauge 878, 848 and 881 WinTV cards soon. I'd imagine given how sweet the previews we've seen in the past are that a SkyOS PVR DVR would run great!


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Make ur own
by microFawad on Fri 17th Feb 2006 18:47 UTC
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Instead of porting .NET to every other OS, OS developers must create there own clean, easier to use development framework. Developers of other OS's are themselves giving Microsoft chance(s) to dominate on them.

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RE: Make ur own
by umccullough on Fri 17th Feb 2006 19:57 UTC in reply to "Make ur own"
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I know this is flamebait - but I must respond.

There really is nothing inherently "Microsoft-only" about .NET and the C# language. If you look at the class structure, it matches Java more than it does anything else.

Windows.Forms IS somewhat microsoft-centric, but .NET and Mono do not require this for development. You can just as easily write your software using GTK# and then have all windows users install GTK# in order to use your software. Windows.Forms compatibility on other OSes just makes it easier to write cross-platform software like Java is capable of.

Also, a clarification, this is not a port of .NET - it is a port of Mono - which is a 100% re-implementation of the .NET CLR, c# compiler, and .NET class libraries. That is kinda like saying that GCC is a port of Microsoft's Visual C++ compiler - or open-source Java VM's are a port of Sun's JVM.

Edited 2006-02-17 19:59

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RE[2]: Make ur own
by Emerson on Fri 17th Feb 2006 23:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Make ur own"
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"Windows.Forms compatibility on other OSes just makes it easier to write cross-platform software like Java is capable of."

The big problem is that Java's often lampooned for being substandard as far as that goes for GUI applications, and .net is even worse. Windows.forms will make the application look good in windows, bad everywhere else. gtk# will make it look good on linux, so-so on windows, and horrid on osx if it even runs. wx#, never been able to even run at all on any linux distro I've tried it on.

C# had the potential to be 'the' answer to crossplatform development in a reasonably fast language, but, sadly, it's not.

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RE[3]: Make ur own
by Botty on Sat 18th Feb 2006 01:46 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Make ur own"
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You are calling .net C#, people need to understand there are many languages for .net, C# is just the most common. Boo is probably the best of the languages - the .net platform allows much easier language development. This way you can focus on language usability, features, and syntax niceness, with a fairly fast backend (Boo code is as fast as C#)

There is nothing stopping someone from creating a truely cross platofrm .net gui. I can imagine it being quite nice. XML based, and rather than setting pixel sizes, etc you just create a hierarchy of components. You establish interrelations like this component is on the border of this component, etc. The layout is created based on the target gui/theme. This way it looks right in native guis. Windows support would be easiest - just access System.Windows.Forms.

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RE[4]: Make ur own
by umccullough on Sat 18th Feb 2006 02:45 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Make ur own"
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Or even - if developers are nice enough to separate presentation layers from functionality - each OS could have native .NET bindings for GUI - and developers can write .NET code that directly works with each OS as necessary... of course this is a lot more work for the OS vendor, AND for the developer, but it's a heck of a lot better than having every OS with a completely different development platform as the original poster suggested.

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SkyOS beginning to look Impressive
by robojerk on Fri 17th Feb 2006 19:48 UTC
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Never used SkyOS but I have to say it's beginning to look evry impressive. Might need to install it on VMWare and give it a whirl.

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At this point
by zephc on Fri 17th Feb 2006 20:59 UTC
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I would say to Robert et al, start migrating your apps over to Mono/WinForms and away from the C code. I'd once seen the file manager code, and it made way too many system calls to shell commands... this is what APIs are for ;-)

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