Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Mar 2006 14:53 UTC, submitted by Rahul
X11, Window Managers Kristian Hogsberg (Red Hat) has been hacking on Compiz and AIGLX to run them together and has managed to do it with impressive performance. "With a bit of hacking, I managed to get compiz (and glxcompmgr) running on aiglx. I'm running it on my i830 laptop, and the performance is actually quite impressive."
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sounds great
by dean_fry on Tue 7th Mar 2006 15:06 UTC
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well i'm no techie but this sounds like a great future for end users like me ;) thx!

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Great
by AndrewZ on Tue 7th Mar 2006 15:07 UTC
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Great, but what is Compiz and AIGLX? The linked article doesn't say...

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RE: Great
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 7th Mar 2006 15:11 UTC in reply to "Great"
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2005-06-29

Great, but what is Compiz and AIGLX? The linked article doesn't say...

I don't want to be rude or anything, but there's always Google, and OSNews' search function and such. Or you can click on the topic icon to see related news.

I'm assuming people who read OSNews know by now what AIXGL and compiz are-- they have been headline news for a while now.

Next thing you'll know I'll have to tell people inside teasers what Windows is ;) .

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RE[2]: Great
by markob on Tue 7th Mar 2006 15:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Great"
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2005-07-06

Nevermind...aint worth commenting.

Edited 2006-03-07 15:41

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RE[2]: Great
by Nathan O. on Wed 8th Mar 2006 06:07 UTC in reply to "RE: Great"
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Next thing you'll know I'll have to tell people inside teasers what Windows is ;) .

I had no idea what AIXGL was until it started appearing one day on OSNews- without explanation as to what it was- a couple weeks ago. It appeared enough times that I ended up googling it.

That's fine and dandy, but the indisputible fact remains that having quick little explanations every once in a while about some of the more niche subjects will make OSNews a little more pleasant to read.

I think it's reasonable to expect that people will know what X, Linux, *BSD, GNOME, KDE, Windows, Mac, BeOS, and all of the high-visibility tech companies are all about. Syllable, compiz, Quanta, TriangleOS, Reiser4 and Turion (among the rest of the new naming conventions for processors) aren't things I'd expect my geekiest of friends to know off hand. Some might, but I just wouldn't jump in to a conversation like that.

Let's be realistic here.

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RE: Great
by CrimsonScythe on Wed 8th Mar 2006 04:00 UTC in reply to "Great"
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Since Thom rather would spend his time mocking you over your question than to just explain short what they are, I'll try to quickly answer you.

"Compiz is one of the first OpenGL-accelerated compositing window managers for the X Window System." from the Wikipedia page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compiz

"AIGLX is 'Accelerated Indirect GL X'. AIGLX is a project that aims to enable GL-accelerated effects on a standard desktop." From the project page:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx

Which I guess is a different way of saying "AIGLX is a fancy-pants version of X."

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Good Work
by gothicknight on Tue 7th Mar 2006 15:12 UTC
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I sure hope that both AIGLX and/or XGL implementations get stable enough and well suported by most distros so the eye candy level of FOSS get's even higher.
I only wished that my programmins skills allow me to help such projects.

Nice work ;)

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Nvidia drivers
by pounk on Tue 7th Mar 2006 15:34 UTC
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http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=829819&postcount=4

Compiz will work with Xorg/nvidia drivers soon!

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Does it work with VIA drivers?
by Felix on Tue 7th Mar 2006 17:29 UTC
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2005-08-14

I have a VIA KM400 Unichrome graphic card. Does someone knows if Compiz/Aiglx/Xgl runs with this card?

I use the Xorg 7.0 VIA drivers and tried different settings but had no success ;)

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Great news!!
by Howie S on Tue 7th Mar 2006 17:45 UTC
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After the recent post on "XGL To Adopt AIGLX Changes", it's great to see the fruit of these two coding efforts mixing and matching so well, (and so early!) It's also good to see that not only is xgl going to be benefitting from aiglx, but that aiglx users will also be benefitting from Novell's work on Compiz. Horray for open source! Horray for people seeing and making use of opportunities to further open source development that goes beyond the balkanized "my project is better than your project", closed-minded, flame-warring mentality.

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Xgl+Nvidia works already
by dweazle on Tue 7th Mar 2006 18:00 UTC
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I've been running Xgl+Compiz for about a week now. It's really amazing. Ubuntu Dapper (currently still in development) already has all the packages you need. Check the Ubuntu forums for a nice HOWTO on how to set this up (I'm too lazy to look up the URL right now ;) . It took me about 15 minutes.

I have a Geforce 2 GTS, which uses the legacy nvidia driver. Works fine though! Stable and smooth.

With the plugin system I think we can expect some nice new plugins over the next couple of months! o/

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wow
by cg0def on Tue 7th Mar 2006 21:12 UTC
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I'm speechless. Just when I have given up on the OSS community being inovative they really come arround and create something icredible. If this technology is marketed well ( and you can bet Novell will do their best ) linux might actually have a chance on the desktop. The next year ot 2 might turn out to be really good years for the comunity with MS releasing another batch of even more overbloated software ( Vista + Office 12 ). Well OSS doesn't yet provide an office suite that is quite as good or as capable as MS Office but the current offerings are not that much off.

Man I am really happy about xorg and all the development going arround it. Way to go Novell and RH!

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RE: wow
by kaiwai on Wed 8th Mar 2006 00:39 UTC in reply to "wow"
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2005-07-06

If this technology is marketed well ( and you can bet Novell will do their best )

You're obviously new to Novell and their lack thereof of marketing grunt; what the Linux world needs is a Steve Jobs like person who can hype, evangelise whilst at the same time, not come accross as some sort of elitist wanker - which, sorry, alot of IT oriented guys come accross, with their, 'we're better than normal people!' complex.

Hmm, I could probably do what Steve Jobs does, but it would require at least two bottles of the Naper Valleys finest Pinot Noir ;-)

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RE[2]: wow
by CrimsonScythe on Wed 8th Mar 2006 04:06 UTC in reply to "RE: wow"
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"...what the Linux world needs is a Steve Jobs like person who can hype, evangelise whilst at the same time, not come accross as some sort of elitist wanker - which, sorry, alot of IT oriented guys come accross, with their, 'we're better than normal people!' complex. "

Yes, thank god the typical Mac users aren't elitist wankers, and that they don't give you the "we're better than normal people!" attitude. Your statement must be one of the most ironic statements I've ever seen. ;-)

PS! I'm a Mac user, BTW.

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v RE[3]: wow
by kaiwai on Wed 8th Mar 2006 05:23 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: wow"
RE: wow
by Ookaze on Wed 8th Mar 2006 13:31 UTC in reply to "wow"
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I'm speechless. Just when I have given up on the OSS community being inovative they really come arround and create something icredible

Even though it's not that innovative, and is underway since a long time.
Anyway, what I wanted to say, is that thinkings like yours seem recurrent with people that follow FOSS from the outside.
I use FOSS exclusively for a long time, and I remember there was a time where I was amazed every week at what I could do, that I could on no other system, and discovered new features every week. Now I'm spoiled, so I'm not amazed, but not surprised either.

If this technology is marketed well linux might actually have a chance on the desktop. The next year ot 2 might turn out to be really good years for the comunity

Since 1999 when I started using Linux, I've yet to see a year that wasn't very good for the community, despite episodes like SCO.
To the contrary, I remember having to find arguments to say Linux is viable (even on the desktop), while now, I just have to break the regular FUD that says Linux is not as better as we see.

with MS releasing another batch of even more overbloated software ( Vista + Office 12 ). Well OSS doesn't yet provide an office suite that is quite as good or as capable as MS Office but the current offerings are not that much off

Here for example. Before, when I started using FOSS in 1999, people were comparing Linux to Win1995, then quickly to 1998, and the desktops where just starting on Linux. We did not talk about the clueless end user, Linux was just too hard for them at the time. Now, people have to compare current Linux OSs with "Vista + Office 12", products of MS that are not even out yet and cost a LOT more !!!! I find this really amazing ! Especially given the fact that the desktop and OSs are the main field of MS.

Several times, I've seen people write how they were surprised of the state of FOSS that they've given up one year before.

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RE:Nvidia drivers
by netpython on Tue 7th Mar 2006 22:59 UTC
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Compiz will work with Xorg/nvidia drivers soon!

You mean officially?

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Dunno what to think.
by mike hess on Wed 8th Mar 2006 05:17 UTC
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2005-08-22

if what David Reveman said about Xgl vs AiXgl is true, i much prefer the approach Xgl is taking.

According to him, AiXgl will require drivers to be fairly sophisticated and Linux-centric. Xgl, on the other hand requires only an OpenGL implementation.

Also, David's approach has been more manager-agnostic meaning the technology is equally suited to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc while Red Hat's technology seems give preferential treatment to Metacity.

Regardless, this news is clearly another win for Gnu/linux as a desktop, and for Open/Free software as a philosophy. Two similar projects are mutually benefitting from eachother's work. That's the real story here, and its very good news.

PS: i agree with Thom's treatment of the poster above. Its not about snobber or insult, its about not wasting comment space on easily self-answered questions.

Edited 2006-03-08 05:18

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RE: Dunno what to think.
by Morty on Wed 8th Mar 2006 12:16 UTC in reply to "Dunno what to think."
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2005-07-06

Also, David's approach has been more manager-agnostic meaning the technology is equally suited to Gnome, KDE, XFCE, etc while Red Hat's technology seems give preferential treatment to Metacity.

I would say less manager-agnostic, since your only choice is to use his windowmanager Compiz. With RedHat's approach you can extend the existing windowmangers to support the new features of AiXgl. And some windowmangers, like KWin, already has a compmgr to extend.

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RE[2]: Dunno what to think.
by Terracotta on Wed 8th Mar 2006 17:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Dunno what to think."
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2005-08-15

It is only an X-server, you can use Kwin with it, but it doesn't have all the fancy stuff implemented. Give it some time and both metacity and KDE will work with fashion stuff. From what I've read they just replace the X-system. Both do it in a different way, but you can use both with any window manager you like.

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