Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 15th Mar 2006 11:11 UTC, submitted by jeanmarc
BeOS & Derivatives People love screenshots. It's probably because humans are a very visually orientated species. When it comes to software, people claim to be able to judge entire products, just by looking at a few screenshots. Especially for those people: 85 screenshots of Haiku running all sorts of applications. For the people who've been living under a rock the past 5 years: Haiku is an attempt to recreate BeOS as an open source product. And for the people who don't know BeOS-- click here.
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HAIKU or BeOS
by OSGuy on Wed 15th Mar 2006 11:28 UTC
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That's pretty impressive. Is that the real HAIKU 100% or is it a BeOS R5 system with HAIKU API running on top?

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RE: HAIKU or BeOS
by Beta on Wed 15th Mar 2006 11:30 UTC in reply to "HAIKU or BeOS"
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Its a completely native Haiku install on my little Athlon 500. (read 100% :p)

Update: Quake2 just got a screenie

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Cool !
by aaronb on Wed 15th Mar 2006 11:32 UTC
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Had a flash back to the days of 7 second booting on my old P3 600mhz PC with almost instant reaction when clicking on just about anything. I'm glad to see Haiku progress.

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I simply love haiku
by Lhyanor on Wed 15th Mar 2006 12:06 UTC
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How far is it usable already?
Perhaps I should install it on my windows partition and just try it out.

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RE: I simply love haiku
by prokoudine on Thu 16th Mar 2006 16:49 UTC in reply to "I simply love haiku"
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> How far is it usable already?

Operation system isn't usable without software. Sorry ;)

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A little bit more
by GCrain on Wed 15th Mar 2006 12:13 UTC
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I'd have to say that at this point, its a bit more of "an attempt".

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Attempt
by Cymro on Wed 15th Mar 2006 14:05 UTC
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OpenTracker and Deskbar run well for a while and it feels so much more than an "attempt", but a fully fledged version of BeOS. They usually crash eventually, but it's still tantilisingly close, and it gets a little better each time I try it...

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Progress
by CPUGuy on Wed 15th Mar 2006 14:21 UTC
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If you check the progress page, just about everything is in beta (great news).

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RE: Progress
by Humdinger on Wed 15th Mar 2006 16:10 UTC in reply to "Progress"
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2006-03-15

Note, that the progress page isn't updated regularly. To see how prolific these guys really are, visit http://cia.navi.cx/stats/project/OpenBeOS and http://haiku.blubinc.com/svn/

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RE[2]: Progress
by TaterSalad on Wed 15th Mar 2006 16:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Progress"
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Holy crap. There is something being committed every hour. Do those guys ever take a break?

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Haiku
by TaterSalad on Wed 15th Mar 2006 15:09 UTC
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I didn't know they made Quake II for BeOS. That alone makes me want to try Haiku. Well I did try it once in an qemu session but its just not the same as running native. If most components are in beta I can't wait for a public preview release. Hopefully thats something they can do by the end of this year.

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Professional Attitude
by Haicube on Wed 15th Mar 2006 15:25 UTC
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What I really like is how the core developers of Haikus is actually holding back the public releases. Everyone is so qualityoriented they keep saying "It's not ready for the public eye". Despite that, both demand, and people who wanna show Haiku is so many. It even get's published.

I love BeOS and Haiku (so excuse me being favourable) and I can't really see the outcome of all this to be anything but extreme success (5 year perspective).

What is really the most important thing in all this is that not just the OS is being developed, but the fact that things on top is out there and is also on the way (such as Java)

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RE: Professional Attitude
by Reiky on Wed 15th Mar 2006 16:09 UTC in reply to "Professional Attitude"
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2005-07-07

I disagree. If you are really concern about quality you should release early and release often. There's nothing wrong in releasing alphas. If you are concern with people saying "it doesn't do much" just make VERY clear it is an alpha *for developer only* and things like this.

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RE[2]: Professional Attitude
by Beta on Wed 15th Mar 2006 16:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Professional Attitude"
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2005-07-06

People dont understand "developers only" as an excuse for something not working correctly.
They'd leave Haiku for another while, and probably pick up SkyOS or something ;)

I completely agree with the "lets not make public releases" policy, if someone is interested enough to download an unofficial image, or build from the repo, they'll be a useful asset to Haiku - testers. Everyone else can visit the forums, gawp at the piccies, maybe donate some money to help.

I'm just trying to balance between encouraging Haiku interest, and not offending the devs. ;)

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RE[3]: Professional Attitude
by Reiky on Wed 15th Mar 2006 16:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Professional Attitude"
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2005-07-07

I see your point but I would be true if the world were out there waiting for the first public release while at the moment only a sub-sub group in the IT world (which is a sub group of the world itself) is aware of what BeOS was and a sub group of this group is aware of Haiku...

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How is MIDI at the moment, in haiku?
by mario on Wed 15th Mar 2006 15:28 UTC
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And... could someone kindly try to run Sequitur, just to see if it atleast "shows up"?

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MIDI and stuff
by darkwyrm on Wed 15th Mar 2006 15:40 UTC
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MIDI is almost completely feature complete except for the software synthesizer. I don't think it's included in the build image ATM, so it probably won't work.

I can personally attest to it not being ready for general use, having been part of development and test. It's not very stable (though getting better literally all the time). The filesystem code still has bugs in it, so you need to start on a fresh BeOS partition every time you install. It is, however, very promising and exciting for all of us, developers and users alike.

Reply Score: 5

modmans2ndcoming
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2005-11-09

This is making me depressed now :-(

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I can't wait!
by aphistic on Wed 15th Mar 2006 16:19 UTC
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I've wanted to install BeOS (or some variation thereof) for years now but it seems I have a tendancy to pick hardware that doesn't even remotely work with it. On the 4 PC's (or laptops) that I've tried to run BeOS or Zeta on none of them got past the initial boot screen. I have high hopes that being open source will allow Haiku to support the hardware I have and I'll actually be able to run it finally!

Edited 2006-03-15 16:21

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testing haiku
by tetsu on Wed 15th Mar 2006 19:34 UTC
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there are unnoficial images available for testing in qemu (really slow) vpc and vmware (this one is the best)

you can download vmware player here

http://www.vmware.com/products/player/


and the vmware image from here

http://sikosis.com/haiku/haiku.image.bz2

(

it seems the site where vmware images where hosted is currently down:

http://www.schmidp.com/index.php?option=com_files&path=/haiku/image...

)




more info here

http://www.haiku-os.org/wiki/index.php?title=Haiku_HD_Images

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And for the people who don't know BeOS..
by Ronald Vos on Wed 15th Mar 2006 19:58 UTC
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I recommend http://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/29-10000ft/ instead.

More complete, more passionate ;)

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Haiku wont work on my emachine
by Eric Martin on Wed 15th Mar 2006 21:57 UTC
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2005-11-11

Thats the problem with inhouse graphic server and not X.

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Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Luposian on Wed 15th Mar 2006 23:42 UTC
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Right now, I can't do builds. Not sure exactly why, but the latest revision I downloaded (r16807) won't build. I get some weird "[something] too long" error. I have 386Mb of RAM. That was enough a couple days ago. Has something changed?

The builds I download, I restart the Media Server and I still have nothing for audio. I have an SB Live! Isn't that supported?

I'd appreciate someone giving me an exact list of what CPU's, motherboard chipsets, audio/video chipsets, etc. are supported by Haiku, specifically.

I'd like to buy a different/newer chipset motherboard, that will use my 1GHz Athlon, but also accept the newer Athlon XP CPU's as well. But I won't get it if I can't use it with BeOS/Haiku.

I'm currently using an MS-6330 v2.1 (Gateway OEM).

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RE: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Jack Burton on Thu 16th Mar 2006 07:38 UTC in reply to "Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-06

"Right now, I can't do builds. Not sure exactly why, but the latest revision I downloaded (r16807) won't build. I get some weird "[something] too long" error. I have 386Mb of RAM. That was enough a couple days ago. Has something changed? "

Compile the jam contained in the haiku repository and use that one. Your jam version isn't able to compile the tree.

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RE[2]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Luposian on Thu 16th Mar 2006 08:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-27

The version of jam I've been using was perfectly fine no less than a couple days ago (jamming R1670x or so). You mean it's suddenly obsolete, just like that? If so, is there a binary version of the latest version (that works) that I can download? What's the version number?

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Jack Burton Member since:
2005-07-06

That's weird, then. If the error you're getting is "command line too long", it surely looks like a bug tied to a previous jam version.
Are you building under beos, linux or ... ?
Finally, no, I don't think there is a binary version (of jam) to download. You need to build the one in the tree. Unless you get it from someone else, of course ;)

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RE[4]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Luposian on Thu 16th Mar 2006 08:44 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-27

Yeah, I think that was it "CommandLine Too Long". Which didn't make any sense. I assumed it was possibly because my install of BeOS R5 PE has a defective Mime[something] file or whatever (that's when I started getting the error). Didn't know if that could affect it, but decided to download/install BeOS R5 PE (Wind) from BeBits. Seems to work, ok, but I have no sound... yet, the Media Prefs app shows my soundcard (I have an SB Live!). Weird. In BeOS R5 PE (from Be, Inc.), the sound is fine.

If Schmid.com were up or Sikosis were doing builds on a regular schedule, I wouldn't even worry, but I want to be right on top of all the action... so I figure doing my own builds is the way to go about that.

BUT I CAN'T!!! >:-(

What should I do?

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Jack Burton Member since:
2005-07-06

"If Schmid.com were up"

It's up again.

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RE[6]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Luposian on Thu 16th Mar 2006 10:30 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-27

So I noticed, a few minutes after I said that... sure looked silly there, didn't I? :-)

I checked my version of Jam... it's 2.5rc3... the latest. I'm using BeOS R5 PE to do my builds on. Could that one Mime file in that was corrupted in BeOS R5 PE cause Jam not to complete? Or is something else, more sinister, occuring?

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Jack Burton Member since:
2005-07-06

The Jam version in our repository is more recent than the "official" 2.5r3, but the version number is the same. So the only way to be sure you have the very latest version is compile the one in the tree.

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RE[4]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Luposian on Fri 17th Mar 2006 01:07 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-27

I tried JAMing the latest revision about 30 minutes ago and the error I got was:

MergeObjectFromObjects1 actions too long (max 10240)!

What does this mean? Have you seen it before? Have others seen it? I must know the answer!!!

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RE[5]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Beta on Sat 18th Mar 2006 05:56 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-06

Sadly jam isnt kept up to date as much as we'd all hope. Haiku has shown a few limitations in jam -- the devs have extended / corrected them for the version that resides in the Haiku repo.

Once you've built Haikus jam, you should have no problems

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RE[6]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!
by Luposian on Sat 18th Mar 2006 06:14 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Haiku is gettin' awesome!"
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2005-07-27

I've look everywhere in the Haiku source tree I download and I see no files that related to the source code of Jam. If it's there, I want to know where. I see no .c or .cpp or .h files of any kind, specific to doing a jam of Jam. I can't even find a "make" file for Jam either!

I'd be happy if someone would just do a build of the very latest Jam and post it on their web site or blog or home page or whatever, so I can download it.

And why can't Haiku, Inc. have the latest (regularly updated, as needed) version on their own website and post on the front page when a given "revision" of jam is no longer valid and you need to download the very latest version from the Build Factory menu?

HELP!

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Jack Burton Member since:
2005-07-06

The build tools (which include also jam) are in the "buildtools" module, not in "haiku". You need to checkout it too from the svn repository

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That's fantastic...
by fyysik on Thu 16th Mar 2006 00:10 UTC
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If you watch step-by-step evolution, it is sometimes very hard to figure how unbelievable thing happened actually.
With 4 years only (to be honest - before 2002 OpenBeOS development was rather chat about utopical project than real work)!

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A poem I wrote for a friend of mine...
by Luposian on Thu 16th Mar 2006 00:24 UTC
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He always says how worthless BeOS/Haiku is. How there are no apps and "where's Adobe Photoshop?" and whatnot. Well, to he and any others who would share that closed mindset, I have this poem:

Worthless, worthless, worthless
That's all you ever see
But bit-by-bit and day-by-day
Haiku gets more useful to others and me

Some apps now, then others next!
We'll keep advancing on
Until your chant of "Worthless"
Is vanished, vanquished... GONE!

You can't stop this progress
As much as you would desire
Haiku is the rising Phoenix
From the ashes of BeOS' funeral pyre

Haiku started where BeOS ended
And the march has gone on since
The progress of our desire is dawning
I know... it makes you wince.

You've always hated BeOS
And you hate all of it's kin
But that won't stop our progress
We're running this race, to win!

So chant your "Worthless" mantra
And enjoy, while it's still legit
But come the day, when Haiku goes Final
Will "Worthless", for Haiku, still fit?

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Hmm
by kaiwai on Thu 16th Mar 2006 03:37 UTC
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Looking good; which brings these things into question:

1) How difficult would it to move the graphics server and throw it onto of Mesa as to allow a gui that is totally powered by the graphics card?

2) This actually, be it from an ex-BeOS fan, a *good* beginning as an alternative to Windows; you have a consistant GUI, well documented API, clean implementation of the different parts, R5 compatibility and future development.

Which brings to question; will we see a commercial version of this take place? in other words, one that couples proprietary drivers, software and the likes to 'add value' - because if that were the case, I would just on board as soon as possible.

3) Have Haiku-OS members thought about approaching Google, in regards to sponsorship and being part of the next 'summer of code' etc. ?

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RE: Hmm
by Luposian on Thu 16th Mar 2006 05:23 UTC in reply to "Hmm"
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2005-07-27

"1) How difficult would it be to move the graphics server and throw it onto Mesa as to allow a GUI that is totally powered by the graphics card?"

That would be totally awesome! It'd really free up the CPU and whatnot, even on lower-end cards, like my Matrox G400. If it can be done, I'm sure some resourceful Haiku developer will manage it.

Keepin' our finger's crossed! :-D

Edited 2006-03-16 05:23

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RE[2]: Hmm
by agentj on Thu 16th Mar 2006 06:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Hmm"
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2005-08-19

I don't know if Haiku appserver supports offscreen bitmaps, but OpenGL will probably require offscreen rendering to be accelerated by graphics card. Mesa provides software implementation, so IMO it should be supported right out of the box.

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RE: Hmm
by Beta on Thu 16th Mar 2006 12:07 UTC in reply to "Hmm"
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2005-07-06

1, Not too tricky, Haikus app_server has been designed with a "backend" system, so you'd just need to replace its current workhorse, "Painter", afaik.

With all of Rudolf's work on nVidia 3D drivers, we're getting more and more native 3d calls (which means mesa does less in software).

2, As far as Haiku Inc is concerned, they wont be releasing commercial versions of Haiku - that'll be up to distro producers. Things could change though.

3, (just Haiku)

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RE: Hmm
by TQH ! on Thu 16th Mar 2006 07:16 UTC
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2006-03-16

Haiku / BeOS already uses some accelerations of your graphicscard.

And if you are interested in gfx-cards and acceleration Rudolph's blog has a lot of interesting details.

http://be-hold.blogspot.com/

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Blue
by AmigaRobbo on Thu 16th Mar 2006 12:58 UTC
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Why are all Desktops Blue? Windows, MacOSX, this one, heck even Amiga OS1 was blue!

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RE: Blue
by Ronald Vos on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:28 UTC in reply to "Blue"
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2005-07-06

Why are all Desktops Blue? Windows, MacOSX, this one, heck even Amiga OS1 was blue!

Not as depressing as black, not as painful to the eyes as pure white, not the agravation of red/orange/yellow, and none of the hippy connotations of green. Blue is the most neutral colour that allows you to see both black and white letters well.

Olive-green would be better though.

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RE[2]: Blue
by AmigaRobbo on Thu 16th Mar 2006 21:28 UTC in reply to "RE: Blue"
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2005-11-15

I know this is vering off subject, but.. Even the C64 was blue by default, which I think meant the Vic 20 was as well. It's only really Ubuntu that goes against the grain these days...

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RE[2]: Blue
by Luposian on Fri 17th Mar 2006 01:16 UTC in reply to "RE: Blue"
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"...and none of the hippy connotations of green."

Watch out about talking negatively about green... the Atari ST GEM desktop was green and it's a fond memory I will always remember... :-)

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haiku vmware images are back!
by tetsu on Thu 16th Mar 2006 22:06 UTC
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