Linked by Eugenia Loli on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:00 UTC
Gnome Today, the GNOME Project celebrates the release of GNOME 2.14, the latest version of the popular, multi-platform Free desktop environment. Foresight Linux 0.9.4 was first to incorporate GNOME 2.14 on their distribution, VMWare and Qemu images are already available in addition to their normal distribution.
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Foresight Linux
by Eugenia on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:07 UTC
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I tried Foresight Linux 0.9.4 on VMWare player a few hours ago, I found 15 bugs in about 30 minutes. I sent some of them to one of their devs. Too bad that their metacity pref panel was old (the minimize-on-double-click option was not available) and there was no Ekiga in it (among other, more real bugs like the freeze of Gnomebaker and Banshee). Overall though, a nice looking desktop.

Edited 2006-03-16 01:09

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Gets my hopes up
by Jack_Green on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:08 UTC
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2006-01-04

Every time I see a new GNOME release I get all excited thinking "Sweet, that means a new Ubuntu release is near", but I guess not this time...

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by Mitarai on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:15 UTC
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2005-07-28

Faster, more stable, cool new features, the best GNOME till now.

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v .
by cybrjackle on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:25 UTC
best yet
by hollovoid on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:28 UTC
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2005-09-21

This is the best release of gnome I have ever used, dual screen no longer causes a plethora of crashes on the window list, and panel, the speed improvements are actually THERE, and make a huge different in day to day work. plus the desktop just looks appealing.. they hit a homerun with this release, and I hope instead of listening to the OMG GNOME IS FAR BEHIND KDE, they will ignore and keep up with the improvements they made this time, and keep squashing bugs. features can come into 3.0 and shouldent take away from the polish the 2.x series has begain to gain.

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RE: best yet
by someone on Thu 16th Mar 2006 08:09 UTC in reply to "best yet"
someone Member since:
2006-01-12

I don't think Gnome 3.0 is coming any time soon. There will be at least two more releases before they decide to break binary compatibility.

However, I believe this is a good thing. Regular releases with incremental improvements allow new features to be well tested.

It is quite possible that the Gnome 2.x series will last even longer. We are already seeing dramatic backend and API changes (Cairo in GTK+ 2.8 and Project Ridley in GTK+ 2.10) within the 2.x series.

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RE[2]: best yet
by mkone on Thu 16th Mar 2006 08:49 UTC in reply to "RE: best yet"
mkone Member since:
2006-03-14

No one said anything about breaking backward compatibility for the move from GNOME 2.x to 3.x. Actually, one of the goals IIRC is to not break backward compatibility because it was such a hassle the last time around. So 3.0 may see the rethinking of some desktop metaphors and so on, but apps should continue working regardless.

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Polish is good
by JCooper on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:45 UTC
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2005-07-06

I've just dist-upgraded my laptop (running Dapper) and have received a plethora of Gnome updates.

So far so good, apart from the "live Beagle search" of deskbar freezes the desktop while it runs a behind-the-scenes search.

I've now switched over to Epiphany as it appears to render pages faster for some reason.

The performance improvements in Gnome are certainly apparent - everything appears to work a lot faster with less "thinking" required.

Thumbs up to the Gnome devs - you're definitely on the right track! ;)

Out of interest Eugenia - what bugs have you encountered?

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RE: Polish is good
by Eugenia on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:58 UTC in reply to "Polish is good"
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2005-06-28

>Out of interest Eugenia - what bugs have you encountered?

Too many too write here (not the right place for it). Email me if you want a full list.

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RE[2]: Polish is good
by de_wizze on Thu 16th Mar 2006 02:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Polish is good"
de_wizze Member since:
2005-10-31

I'm hoping you were able to submit them ... and if you didn't might I ask why?

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RE[3]: Polish is good
by Eugenia on Thu 16th Mar 2006 02:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Polish is good"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Because I am not a Foresight user, I don't really care about it. I just downloaded and tried it this morning because I had nothing better to do. However, I did email one of the developers with a small list (not all problems were listed there) just to let him know. That's how far I am willing to go with it (no more bugzilla accounts please, I am drown in them).

And btw, no, you might not ask why. It would be off topic. If you really wanted the above answer, you should have email me in person.

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RE[4]: Polish is good
by aesiamun on Thu 16th Mar 2006 16:37 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Polish is good"
aesiamun Member since:
2005-06-29

This entire thread should be moderated as Off Topic...

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Anyone care to convince me to upgrade?
by monmothma on Thu 16th Mar 2006 01:52 UTC
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2006-03-16

Anyone care to convince me to upgrade?

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Mystilleef Member since:
2005-06-29

You don't have to if you don't want to.

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thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

You can read about 2.14 by clicking the link posted in the article, http://www.gnome.org/start/2.14/

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Change desktop font colors
by jackson on Thu 16th Mar 2006 02:33 UTC
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2005-06-29

I like GNOME, and use it quite often (either GNOME or XFCE). One thing that has bugged me about GNOME is that there is no easy way to change the color of the desktop fonts. By default they are white with a bit of shading. What if you want to use a white background? How do you make the fonts dark? I know there is a hacky way to do it with gconf or something but c'mon, that should be a simple preference setting somewhere.

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RE: Change desktop font colors
by Daniel Borgmann on Thu 16th Mar 2006 03:08 UTC in reply to "Change desktop font colors"
Daniel Borgmann Member since:
2005-07-08

You can't set any colors yet (aside from panel background), so where would you put this setting? Then what would you do with the shadows if for example you set the text to black? Automatically figure out when to use a shadow and when not? It's not so simple at all. Do XP and OSX allow you to change the desktop font color and how do they handle it?

At least the current default should work fine in most cases (with the only exception being white or almost-white wallpapers and even then you can still read the text...).

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RE[2]: Change desktop font colors
by jackson on Thu 16th Mar 2006 03:21 UTC in reply to "RE: Change desktop font colors"
jackson Member since:
2005-06-29

No need to get defensive. I said I _like_ GNOME and use it along with XFCE. Where would this preference go? Well, either the Font preferences panel or the Desktop Background preferences panel, for starters. And for the shadow -- couldn't you have a checkbox or something? It's not _that_ complicated. Anyway, that is one of the few KDE features that I would like to see in GNOME.

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Daniel Borgmann Member since:
2005-07-08

It wasn't intended to sound defensive, just asking serious questions. With a shadow checkbox you are already at two preferences, for a really small detail. ;) The issue isn't that those two options would make a huge difference, but where do you draw the line? Once you start adding micromanagment preferences like this, it becomes harder to justify not adding preferences for every other tiny detail. That's why restraint is important, even if it isn't always easy. Otherwise we'd end up with GNOME 1.x (I know that not everybody would be sad about that).

I think this would probably fit well into some kind of power user tweak UI tool though.

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thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

Why a preference? It should be able to tell if your desktop is white, and in that case it would use black (with white shadow) for the font.

I think there's a bug about this already filed against nautilus, but if you can't find it feel free to file a new one. ;)

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RE[2]: Change desktop font colors
by SEJeff on Thu 16th Mar 2006 05:08 UTC in reply to "Change desktop font colors"
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2005-11-05

If you notice, the text on the background is highlighted with a contrasting color. I have white text that is highlighted with a darker black so that it shows up on a light *or* dark background.

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re:Gets my hopes up
by netpython on Thu 16th Mar 2006 05:55 UTC
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2005-07-06

Every time I see a new GNOME release I get all excited thinking "Sweet, that means a new Ubuntu release is near", but I guess not this time...

I think it doesn't take all to long now till Ubuntu 6.04 "Dapper Drake" comes out.I'm writing this from a Ubuntu 6.04 Flight 5 box with gnome2.14.

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I am still waiting...
by spectator on Thu 16th Mar 2006 06:39 UTC
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2006-02-27

because there are no packages for Arch yet (guess I'm too lazy to make some an my own ;/), but I don't mind, as my interests lie in the new gedit and epiphany. Apart from those two I'll stick to xfce, although checking how the new gnome will perform is an open option.

Anyway, the most interesting thing that I find about Gnome these days is the way it is organized and marketed. Dyavyd's feature preview (and same for gedit and epiphany) really functions well as an appetizer, indulging a potential user into the world of gnome. Kde lacks such thing (well, there was something like that for 3.5 afair, but far less impressive). If I'm wrong, then please correct me.

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RE: I am still waiting...
by re_re on Thu 16th Mar 2006 06:58 UTC in reply to "I am still waiting..."
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2005-07-06

KDE is taking the Apple approach with KDE4 ....we're not telling what it is, but it's gonna be really cool" lol

anyway, i'll be totally honest, i'm not big on gnome but this seems to be a nice release, perhaps 2.14.1 will be a little more bug free.

It seems every time i test Gnome i like it a little more, the problem is that is that every time i think i might give gnome a long term (few weeks) execlusive run it seems kde comes out with a new one or has just come out with a new one and i run that. I love KDE but i swear, i will give Gnome a fair shot sometime soon, i just need to commit to a few weeks with no kde.

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Not impressed :(
by amiroff on Thu 16th Mar 2006 06:47 UTC
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2005-07-06

While I am a big fan (and kinda contributor) of Gnome and was looking forward for this release I have to say I am slightly dissappointed with it. Most improvements they mention on release notes seems to work half the way, and many of them were not so needed (dialog redesigns etc.)

Using dapper here and I cannot see the speed improvements. Gedit opens a text file in freaking 2 seconds while on my win. box it's instant. It now can open and save remote files but guess what, it displays my username and password I used to access my sbm share on title bar ;)

Firefox is again very slow at tab switching and moving/resizing windows is still a pain. You cannot grab the window or their corner easily. Gnome theme selector crashes everytime after selecting a new theme. Bug buddy does not even help, it asks too many questions, and hell where is "gnome theme selector" in that apps selection when reporting a bug?

Release notes say that yelp is improved, but for god's sake, try searching for "ls" and make a note how many results you get and where actually is the manual page for "ls" command you're actually looking for.

Allright, screw searching, go to Help Topics and try to find manual page for "ls" command that way. After freaking 3 clicks (Command Line Help>Manual Pages>Applications) I am lost and don't know where to find, lots of text to scroll. Learn from konqueror, man:ls in address bar and that's all you have to do.

While the look of gnome desktop rocks it does not help with the general problems it always had and continues to have. The above are the bugs/annoyances I noticed after playing with latest Gnome for only 30-40 minutes. Oh, one more, when number lock is on, I cannot type /*-+ symbols that are on my number pad. I guess this one is OS related actually. The list goes on and on unfortunately...

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RE: Not impressed :(
by sect2k on Thu 16th Mar 2006 07:49 UTC in reply to "Not impressed :("
sect2k Member since:
2006-01-17

Are you using XGL by any chance? I had some of the issues you mention while using XGL/Compiz combo, but since I switched back to regular X, I'm more than impressed.

Edited 2006-03-16 07:50

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RE[2]: Not impressed :(
by amiroff on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Not impressed :("
amiroff Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes I am, actually GXL makes some things even smoother for me, like moving windows etc. maybe I should try without XGL, but I really don't want to go back to old look and feel ;)

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RE: Not impressed :(
by Daniel Borgmann on Thu 16th Mar 2006 07:58 UTC in reply to "Not impressed :("
Daniel Borgmann Member since:
2005-07-08

Firefox is again very slow at tab switching and moving/resizing windows is still a pain.

Now that's really out of control of the GNOME project... Epiphany is very fast at tab switching. ;)

Gnome theme selector crashes everytime after selecting a new theme.

Are you using XGL/compiz by any chance? It really shouldn't crash otherwise.

Learn from konqueror, man:ls in address bar and that's all you have to do.

Try CTRL+L and type "man:ls". I didn't know that, it was just a guess.

The above are the bugs/annoyances I noticed after playing with latest Gnome for only 30-40 minutes.

You can find annoyances everywhere if you just look for it. What you mentioned doesn't exactly sound like critical issues (although the password in the gedit titlebar sounds pretty embarassing).

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RE[2]: Not impressed :(
by amiroff on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Not impressed :("
amiroff Member since:
2005-07-06

<strong>Try CTRL+L and type "man:ls". I didn't know that, it was just a guess. </strong>

That was the first thing I tried, did not work here though. Did it work for you?

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RE[3]: Not impressed :(
by Daniel Borgmann on Thu 16th Mar 2006 14:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Not impressed :("
Daniel Borgmann Member since:
2005-07-08

Yes, flawless. Yelp 2.14.0 on Ubuntu.

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RE[4]: Not impressed :(
by amiroff on Thu 16th Mar 2006 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Not impressed :("
amiroff Member since:
2005-07-06

Oups, I was trying that with nautilus ;) Thanks, but I think it should be more obvious anyway.

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RE[5]: Not impressed :(
by Daniel Borgmann on Thu 16th Mar 2006 19:03 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Not impressed :("
Daniel Borgmann Member since:
2005-07-08

Another interesting way is to just launch "yelp man:ls", which is very quick with a run dialog.

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RE: Not impressed :(
by netpython on Thu 16th Mar 2006 08:46 UTC in reply to "Not impressed :("
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Using dapper here and I cannot see the speed improvements.

Interesting,i'm using Dapper also and i must say overall performance is significant.The menus open faster,gedit opens instantly,as does firefox.

Perhaps it's hardware related.I'm running Dapper x86_64 btw.

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RE[2]: Not impressed :(
by amiroff on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Not impressed :("
amiroff Member since:
2005-07-06

Perhaps it's hardware related.I'm running Dapper x86_64 btw.

I am using P4 2.8 with 512 MB of ram. Are you serious about firefox starting instantly?

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Also in Frugalware
by da_Chicken on Thu 16th Mar 2006 06:59 UTC
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2006-01-01

Foresight is not the only distro that has the latest GNOME -- it's also in Frugalware. Frugalware also has the newest LyX that I haven't seen yet in other distros. Getting ready-compiled packages is great for us lazy people and if you're interested in fresh stuff, then Frugalware must be one of the best distros out there.

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hmm
by Tomasz Dominikowski on Thu 16th Mar 2006 07:00 UTC
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2005-08-08

Now I know why on Earth so many people make this mistake. Eugenia, it is VMware, not VMWare.

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RE: hmm
by Lumbergh on Fri 17th Mar 2006 06:08 UTC in reply to "hmm"
Lumbergh Member since:
2005-06-29

Now I know why on Earth so many people make this mistake. Eugenia, it is VMware, not VMWare.

Eugenia has that much influence?

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performance
by amaze_9 on Thu 16th Mar 2006 07:52 UTC
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2005-11-12

So is this release much more optimised and faster?

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RE: performance
by netpython on Thu 16th Mar 2006 08:47 UTC in reply to "performance"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

According to my experience yes,definitely.

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Fast!
by Gentleman on Thu 16th Mar 2006 09:13 UTC
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2006-01-17

This new release is so fast! I love it...

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Deskbar and gnome love.
by SlackerJack on Thu 16th Mar 2006 09:17 UTC
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2005-11-12

This is truely awesome for google search, lauching apps, browser history(Very useful) and many more great search features.

I'd just like that say what a cracking release this is, loads of hard work on optimization. 2.16 will be even fast as they are working on gnome startup even more as we speak, Federico and others have knocked off 6 seconds already, just fantatic work all round.

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Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?
by kill on Thu 16th Mar 2006 10:14 UTC
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2005-11-03

Anyone has a How-To? I cannot wait till Dapper. And I want to do a clean clean install of the official Dapper release. I have not the time for that yet (nor is possible as of now), but I want Gnome 2.14 now ;) . Thanks.

Edited 2006-03-16 10:18

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RE: Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?
by netpython on Thu 16th Mar 2006 11:48 UTC in reply to "Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?"
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2005-07-06

What about adding the dapper repository?

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RE[2]: Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?
by SlackerJack on Thu 16th Mar 2006 12:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Not sure about Breezy, just follow the upgrade guide to Dapper and do a apt-get dist-upgrade.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=87262

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RE[3]: Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?
by g2devi on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:37 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Gnome 2.14 on Breezy?"
g2devi Member since:
2005-07-09

Be careful. Dapper is still in testing so:

* It may fail on you when you least expect it

* 3rd party repositories are not synced up to it so if you're using anything outside of main/restricted/universe there's a good chance that it won't be available for Dapper

It's generally not recommended unless you want to help out on the testing and don't mind the rough edges.

Otherwise, waiting (a month or so isn't that bad, is it?) or using something like Garnome might be a better choice:
. http://www.gnome.org/projects/garnome/
Garnome allows you to build GNOME in your own home directory so it doesn't interfere with your main Breezy installation. When Dapper comes around or if things go south with GARGNOME, you can just delete the GARNOME install and go back to the standard GNOME.

I used to use it back while I was in Fedora and it works great. The key problem with it is that it takes *a long* time to compile and download everything. But if Dapper is too bleeding edge and you're itching to use GNOME 2.14, it might be your best choice.

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Dapper
by SlackerJack on Thu 16th Mar 2006 10:17 UTC
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2005-11-12

Already has 2.14, i'm running now.

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v Planet KDE
by SlackerJack on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:01 UTC
RE: Planet KDE
by porcel on Thu 16th Mar 2006 13:15 UTC in reply to "Planet KDE"
porcel Member since:
2006-01-28

It says "absolutely nothing".

Like perhaps no one has noticed just yet. Stop finding conspiracy theories where there are none.

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RE[2]: Planet KDE
by SlackerJack on Thu 16th Mar 2006 15:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Planet KDE"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Keep a eye on planet KDE then, as for a conspiracy theory it's actually fact. Like I said it's just a observation, no troll intended. :-)

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modmans2ndcoming
Member since:
2005-11-09

Well.. this is just me complaining... BUT, gedit stops reading .lang files after a certain point. I tried to impliment a lisp.lang file that covered the whole language, but it stoped highlighting halfway through the file and that was just after I had included all the functions, I had not gotten to the other symbols yet.

gedit needs to get beefed up a bit still.

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amiroff Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, I also tried to create some custom highlighters but somehow it stops highlighting in some places within the file. Also, embedded script highlighting (php, eruby) is not there yet.

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Toolbar Icon sizie
by Panther on Fri 17th Mar 2006 09:45 UTC
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2005-07-30

All in all I like GNOME very much and I'm looking forward to see this new version in Debian unstable (actualy using Gnome 2.12.3). One thing I don't like that much is the icon size in the toolbars. It takes way too much space (50px in Nautilus) on my screen (notebook 15" XGA (1024x768)) compared to 31px in Firefox - well I know, those are not the same apps. Is there a possibility to reduce the size of the icons, or toolbars? The same thing is with the location bar. IMO it is a little bit a waste of useful (content) space.

But kudos to the devs! GNOME is a nice environment (with its strength and weakness) and with every release it gets better and better.

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RE: Toolbar Icon sizie
by thebluesgnr on Fri 17th Mar 2006 12:55 UTC in reply to "Toolbar Icon sizie "
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

You can make toolbars display icons only (= no text) by changing a preference in Desktop -> Preferences -> Menus & Toolbars. All your GTK+/GNOME applications will follow it.

Edited 2006-03-17 12:57

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RE[2]: Toolbar Icon sizie
by Panther on Sat 18th Mar 2006 07:39 UTC in reply to "RE: Toolbar Icon sizie "
Panther Member since:
2005-07-30

Thanks, but I've done this already, but the toolbars are still too high. It seems, I have to wait until I buy a new notebook with higher resolution (15"@1400x1050 or 15.4"@1680x1050) then the problem will be gone. It's a pity, that this ain't be possible to choose the icon/toolbar size like in mozilla firefox or thunderbird :-(

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