Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Mar 2006 19:25 UTC, submitted by Bink
OpenBSD OpenBSD has asked for donations: "To fulfill most development goals OpenBSD should be generating about $100K USD. With that amount of money the project can finance 1 large and 4 small hackathons per year. Pay the bills and a part-time developer to mind the shop when Theo isn't around. In an ideal world we would have a sponsor per hackathon and the CD sales would be paying for other expenses." On a very related note, pre-orders for OpenBSD 3.9 are now available.
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Support OpenBSD
by blixel on Tue 21st Mar 2006 20:02 UTC
blixel
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2005-07-06

I put in my pre-order for 3.9 a week ago. I think OpenBSD is a great project. I would like to encourage anyone who uses it to buy the CD from the official OpenBSD website to help support the effort.

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It's not "us" it's "them"
by sequethin on Tue 21st Mar 2006 20:38 UTC
sequethin
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2005-07-06

The problem is that individual users are the only people coughing up money! Sure we order cd's and tshirts. Sure it helps a little. The real problem is that companies who use the software (not just OpenBSD, but OpenSSL, OpenSSH, etc.) that can afford to donate large amounts, don't. Yes, it's their right, based on the BSD license. It's just greedy, however. Freedom comes at a price...

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RE: It's not "us" it's "them"
by Janizary on Tue 21st Mar 2006 21:03 UTC in reply to "It's not "us" it's "them""
Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

Just a correction, OpenSSL is done by another group of developers, like OpenBSM it just uses a prefix of Open*.

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I don't have much money :(
by ZaNkY on Tue 21st Mar 2006 20:50 UTC
ZaNkY
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2005-10-18

I unfortunately don't have much money to spare these days, I don't even buy CDs. If I had the money to spare, I would definitely order the CDs (the shipping is worth the wait). I don't mean to sound hypocritical, but if you have the money, do donate!

--ZaNkY

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RE: I don't have much money :(
by Archite on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 00:44 UTC in reply to "I don't have much money :("
Archite Member since:
2006-01-14

I understand completely where you are coming from. Check out the donation page (http://www.openbsd.org/donations.html). You can donate $5 here and there. It does add up and the project does appreciate it. Whether you are a fan of OpenBSD or not, the group does help other projects create better programs in the form of diff's and of course they are the group behind OpenSSH. If you can, please donate!

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Not Just OpenBSD
by r.m.graham on Tue 21st Mar 2006 21:21 UTC
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2005-07-06

It's important to note that it's not just so that Theo can keep working on OpenBSD, and it's not just the OpenBSD project that is feeling the crunch.

It's so that the group of developers that work on all these projects (OpenBSD, OpenBGP, OpenSSH, etc.) can keep hosting their hackathons and maintain their servers.

Without funding, these projects will NOT die. BUT, without funding, their current development model and activities will CHANGE, probably to the detriment of the projects involved.

If you use OpenBSD, you already know the story.

If you use OpenSSH (as you should), then you should seriously consider donating even a couple bucks (yes, even $1) to show your appreciation for something so fundamental to the way you use computers.

~rmg

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RE: Not Just OpenBSD
by fretinator on Tue 21st Mar 2006 21:53 UTC in reply to "Not Just OpenBSD"
fretinator Member since:
2005-07-06

I hope this article spurs a lot of people to donate. I use OpenBSD, and obviously openSSH (on many platforms), so I just pre-ordered a 3.9 CD. Another way is to Paypal them a few bucks. Don't take free software projects like OpenBSD for granted.

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v $100K USD for GPL version ?
by Moulinneuf on Tue 21st Mar 2006 22:30 UTC
RE: $100K USD for GPL version ?
by Emil on Tue 21st Mar 2006 22:40 UTC in reply to "$100K USD for GPL version ?"
Emil Member since:
2005-06-29

Don't troll. It's not a matter of licence.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Actually it is to some extent.

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Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

No, it was a Troll, plain and simple. You brought up the concept of converting a BSD licensed programme to the GPL, the very opposite of what the BSDs do. You alluded to the concept that more people would support the project financially if it didn't have the core goals that it does.
You also implied that only the BSDs share some sort of responsibility to help OpenSSH continue - last I checked every Linux distribution uses it.

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r.m.graham Member since:
2005-07-06

It's a very blatant troll, to anyone following OpenBSD.

Just Google for OpenBSD + GPL ;-)

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

There's a big difference between disagreeing and bringing totally irrelevant topics into the discussion.

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Learn what is on topic.

Discussing financing with another option , even do the knowledge of that option is dipised by the majority , is considered to be exactly on topic when the current way of raising fund and donation are inapt at meeting the goals.

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Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Neither the BSD license nor the (L)GPL deals with financing in any way therefore it has no relevance to this discussion. These licenses only deals with the source code, not with any monetary matters.
It would seem that you have nothing better to do than to bring up this tired old GPL vs BSD discussion at every possible opportunity.

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Duffman Member since:
2005-11-23

At least, if we don't agree of what is a troll, we all know now what is a zealot thanks to you.

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NicodemusPrime Member since:
2005-06-30

I disagree, and so does Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll

At least half of your posts on this forum contain the following:

- Inflammatory messages, including racist, sexist, classist or otherwise needlessly hateful comments.

ex. Your liberal use of ad hominem attacks.

- Opinionated statements: Posting messages expressing their own opinions as generally accepted facts without offering any proof or analysis.

ex. Your claims of 20+% GNU/Linux desktop share with no stated source for such information.

- Politically contentious messages: "Everyone knows that all Republicans/Democrats are evil."

ex. (Non-open source developers) are liars, thieves, and traitors.

- Feigning innocence, after a flamewar ensues.

ex. Too many to count.

You honestly may not think you are trolling but you definitely are, and we foolishly feed you every time. You simply re-stated what was already implied in the article (That not enough people are donating) and proposed something that would be flamebait for the BSD crowd (OpenBSD would attract donations if it were under GPL). Not to mention that your final question “The real question is would Open BSD people switch to the GPL if 100k and more where raised ?” is moot because it clashes with the direct statements in the final paragraph of the source.

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RE: $100K USD for GPL version ?
by stephanem on Tue 21st Mar 2006 23:28 UTC in reply to "$100K USD for GPL version ?"
stephanem Member since:
2006-01-11

Do we need one more GPL'ed OS?.

Edited 2006-03-21 23:29

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RE: $100K USD for GPL version ?
by Joe User on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 00:57 UTC in reply to "$100K USD for GPL version ?"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

You're not a troll, but I totally disagree. GPL sucks. You call it freedom? Please read this article and then we talk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BSD_and_GPL_licensing

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

No the GPL dont suck. If it did nobody would use it. You dislike it for some of its values and for what it does and stand for.

No I dont call it freedom , because I know very well the meaning of freedom , I exactly say : it give more freedom.

No , we dont talk , in order for talk to take place there as to be mutual respect , you dont respect the GPL , for talk to take place you have to undertsand and listen to the other , you not listening your telling me I am wrong and beeing close minded , for there to be talk you have to understand the subject from both angles , you dont know the BSD andgle and are trying to discuss the GPL one.

That article is false , wrong and incomplete , the simple fact that they show BSD projects and GNU mascots means that the article is tainted by partisanship from both side and as gone into propaganda instead of facts.

Oh yes dont forget to send 100$ to Open BSD , they need it.

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RE: $100K USD for GPL version ?
by kernelpanicked on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 01:14 UTC in reply to "$100K USD for GPL version ?"
kernelpanicked Member since:
2006-02-01

Quit making excuses for this prick. It was quite obviously a troll.

I also believe that most of the BSD using crowd is responding and making donations/buying cds. I know I have.

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RE[2]: $100K USD for GPL version ?
by Soulbender on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 02:27 UTC in reply to "$100K USD for GPL version ?"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"I guess OpenBSD need to switch to the GPL since all the BSD people dont care about it"

The license has nothing to do with this. Dont try to start another lame license flame war.

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Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

I disagree , if it where GPL or at minimum dual licensed people who dont contribute to BSD now , would contribute to the GPL side. Thats not a licensing discussion its a fniancing discusion.

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The "Open" part of OpenBSD
by Joe User on Tue 21st Mar 2006 23:24 UTC
Joe User
Member since:
2005-06-29

If Theo de Raadt were more "open", he would get more donations and more momentum.

These guys need to change the way they deal with the rest of the world. We're all not stupid people because we don't use OpenBSD.

Please.

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Donated
by PROD_TPSL on Tue 21st Mar 2006 23:41 UTC
PROD_TPSL
Member since:
2005-07-23

Count me in as a BSD'er. Theo has my ten bucks.

From here on out... it's $10 a quarter to each of the big three BSD's. I don't personally use Open and Net, but I see the value inherent in these projects.

I didn't like cable television anyway... rots the brain.

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Enough please.
by Carnevill on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 01:18 UTC
Carnevill
Member since:
2006-01-18

Why does every BSD related topic turn into BSD Vs GPL? If you don't have anything constructive to add to the topic, then don't post. I'm a huge fan of the BSD's and will help out. I think anybody who is an advocate of Open Source should help out.

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RE: Enough please.
by Janizary on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 02:16 UTC in reply to "Enough please."
Janizary Member since:
2006-03-12

It's a part of the cult of Free Software, as bad as it sounds to say it as such, Richard Stallman does indeed induce cult-like devotion to his philosophical views, which in turn make those who he convinces into enthusiasts which repeat his opinion for their fact.

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RE[2]: Enough please.
by Get a Life on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 03:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Enough please."
Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

It's much simpler really: people like screwing with other people.

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v RE[2]: Enough please.
by Moulinneuf on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 12:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Enough please."
RE[3]: Enough please.
by Soulbender on Fri 31st Mar 2006 12:09 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Enough please."
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

"OpenBSD is an OS without its own hardware"
There's "Linux" hardware?

"without paying user"
Incorrect.

"without a community of paying customers"
Uh, community of paying customers?

"and it as no club"
Oh noes!

"no income"
Incorrect.

"and is always on the brink of oblivion because there is not that many contributor to it."
Incorrect.

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v RE: Enough please.
by Moulinneuf on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 11:26 UTC in reply to "Enough please."
Just order the CD's
by DoctorPepper on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 03:19 UTC
DoctorPepper
Member since:
2005-07-12

In a fit of duty, I ordered 3.8, pre-ordered 3.9 _and_ bought the t-shirt!

I thought my wife would flay me when I told her I had just spent $110 + shipping, but she was cool with it. She thinks my hobbies are "cute" ;-)

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Donations
by DoctorPepper on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 03:37 UTC
DoctorPepper
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2005-07-12

Ok, I just donated $25 more to OpenBSD. Let's see some more of you match this, huh?

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RE: Donations
by kernelpanicked on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 03:52 UTC in reply to "Donations"
kernelpanicked Member since:
2006-02-01

"Ok, I just donated $25 more to OpenBSD. Let's see some more of you match this, huh?"

It's not a contest, but I'm sure the OpenBSD crew appreciates it. And so do I, as a rabid OpenBSD user.

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RE[2]: Donations
by Soulbender on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 04:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Donations"
Soulbender Member since:
2005-08-18

Would be even better if the large companies like IBM, Sun and Apple using OpenBSD/OpenSSH would donate. I mean, really, what's a few thousand dollars/year for a company that size?

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donate
by happycamper on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 04:27 UTC
happycamper
Member since:
2006-01-01

the license is not to blame because the other BSDs are doing great.

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v RE: donate
by Moulinneuf on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 12:06 UTC in reply to "donate "
RE: donate
by kamper on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 21:27 UTC in reply to "donate "
kamper Member since:
2005-08-20

the license is not to blame because the other BSDs are doing great.

From what I gather, a large reason for the money differences is that free and net are officially non-profit so donations result in tax breaks. Dragonfly isn't yet, but Matt Dillon pays for everything they've needed so far (that probably won't last forever).

The OpenBSD people don't like bureaucracy, but it would be sweet if someone could set up a foundation seperately and then just dump all the funds into Theo's bank account.

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Wow
by kernelpanicked on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 13:32 UTC
kernelpanicked
Member since:
2006-02-01

For someone who swears they're not a troll, that was the longest string of trolls I've seen in a while.

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Hardware donations
by w-ber on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 13:56 UTC
w-ber
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2005-08-21

In case you didn't know, you can also donate hardware. This option works for me better than plain money, because I need the money myself to buy food and pay the rent and because I happen to have hoarded too much computer parts already.

http://www.openbsd.org/want.html

I have a couple of SMP boards they might be interested in... I know this doesn't help in paying for the developers, but at least it's a donation.

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re: openssl correction, other stuff
by sequethin on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 17:49 UTC
sequethin
Member since:
2005-07-06

thanks for the correction there! ;)

One thing I'm also wondering is why people are ordering old versions of cd's... why not just buy more tshirts? hahaha ;) Go for the OpenBSD wardobe... puffy is always in style!

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