Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 21st Mar 2006 22:51 UTC
Windows "The new OS is designed to offer a shiny new user interface, better security, improved data organization and near-instantaneous search. It will be a major gaming platform release because it includes DirectX 10, an upgraded and rebuilt collection of application programming interfaces that, according to Microsoft, will offer six to eight times the graphics performance of DirectX 9.0. We're opening our series of Windows Vista features with a look at the most striking feature of Vista, the 3D desktop and the new Aero interface."
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no thanks
by raver31 on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 00:11 UTC
raver31
Member since:
2005-07-06

all the videos and screenshots produced so far, is just pointless eye-candy put out to wet the appetite of the kool-aid boys.

what use has this in a production setup ? thought so.. none

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RE: no thanks
by captain_knobjockey on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 00:15 UTC in reply to "no thanks"
captain_knobjockey Member since:
2005-08-23

I agree, first microsoft takes out all the major selling points, then it pushes the release date further and further back, now it is saying it has a use for my $400 graphics card ? to draw a stupid skin and put slanted windows on the screen ?

no thanks microsoft, shove it up your ass, I will stick with XP until I got enough saved to move PERMANENTLY to Mac OSX (intel)

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RE[2]: no thanks
by sappyvcv on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 02:56 UTC in reply to "RE: no thanks"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

They took out all the major selling points eh? WinFS, yes, but will still be released. Then there's uh... well... monad probably won't be shipped WITH Vista, but will be out by that time... but that was never a major selling point for the consumer version of Vista.

Then there is uh... erm.. what is there?

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RE[3]: no thanks
by suryad on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 04:14 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: no thanks"
suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

Stuff that Linux and OS X users take for granted. Security! Less restarts! Better memory and task scheduler! etc etc

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RE[4]: no thanks
by sappyvcv on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 06:01 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: no thanks"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

You mean they *took* those things *out* of Vista?

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RE[3]: no thanks
by kaiwai on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 07:24 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: no thanks"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

1) Monad was never announced to be shipping with Windows Vista - it was Windows fanboys and their crack-pipe-enduced hillucination which bought about that rumour.

2) WinFS was been removed, but there is still all the fancy features of searching - WinFS is more than just searching, just like CoreData on MacOS X is more than just part of Spotlight.

3) There are many other things in Vista that Microsoft can market - if you choose to live under a rock and refuse to research and find information about Windows Vista, thats your own choice, but don't come into forums waving your finger around thinking you've got some sort of 'superior knowledge' that no one else has, and that your opinion carries more weight than any one elses.

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RE[4]: no thanks
by sappyvcv on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 12:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: no thanks"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, I know all this, thanks anyway ;)

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v RE: no thanks
by barkley on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 07:20 UTC in reply to "no thanks"
RE[2]: no thanks
by raver31 on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 09:02 UTC in reply to "RE: no thanks"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

can we get this retard barkley banned ?

where did I mention Linux anywhere in that post ?

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v RE[3]: no thanks
by barkley on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 11:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: no thanks"
RE[4]: no thanks
by captain_knobjockey on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 11:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: no thanks"
captain_knobjockey Member since:
2005-08-23

Raver31 is correct, we should get this retard banned. He comes on here insulting people for no reason other than he feels stupid because he cannto use linux.. then he shows his ignorance even more by calling raver31 a racist and a fascist in the same line.

can we start a petition to ban him ?
say your name below this post please

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RE[5]: no thanks
by captain_knobjockey on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 11:27 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: no thanks"
captain_knobjockey Member since:
2005-08-23

captain knobjockey

Reply Score: 1

RE[5]: no thanks
by raver31 on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 11:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: no thanks"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

raver31

Reply Score: 1

v RE[5]: no thanks
by Hands on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 15:53 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: no thanks"
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by suryad on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 01:29 UTC
suryad
Member since:
2005-07-09

While I am looking forward to Vista because honestly I dont want to switch to OS X primarily because of a variety of video editing tools I am used to and of course games...and the fact that I am more knowledgeable than average XP users so I can keep my machine safe from viruses and so on, but yeah I have to agree the interface is not the strong point. All that time and MS came out with that? Horrible!!!

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hmmm
by archeas76 on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 01:47 UTC
archeas76
Member since:
2006-01-25

Sun Microsystems Project Looking Glass, looks familiar?

Reply Score: 2

Performance
by remerico on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 06:04 UTC
remerico
Member since:
2005-07-06

DX10 will only deliver six to eight times the performance assuming you bought the latest, most expensive, high-end video card from Nvidia or ATI.

Almost.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Performance
by MORB on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 09:59 UTC in reply to "Performance"
MORB Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, and anyway the new features and performances from these new GPUs will be available in OpenGL aswell.

Reply Score: 1

Me likes
by Mystilleef on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 08:32 UTC
Mystilleef
Member since:
2005-06-29

Vista is impressive.

- New graphics system.

- New network system.

- New user interface.

And whole lot more. It is certainly an experience one should look forward to. And for those foaming in the mouth, read the article, it's insightful.

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RE: Me likes
by Hands on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 16:19 UTC in reply to "Me likes"
Hands Member since:
2005-06-30

I think it's sad that Mystilleef was modded down just for expressing enthusiasm about Vista.

Vista is impressive when compared directly to XP. That comparison may not seem as positive for Vista when you take into account that it has been several years since the release of XP. Vista may not seem as impressive either when compared to what the competition already has to offer and what the competition will be trying to release before or close to the time that Vista is released. Most consumers aren't going to be thinking about those kinds of things though.

Most people will be evaluating Vista based on what it is. Vista is Windows, and for all of the smaller improvements it will be a significant improvement over XP as a whole. There are many people who will never use anything other than Windows including many corporate officers. So, a lot of things that I might think about Vista will be seen differently by many users.

What will matter is how soon Vista can be relied upon for daily use and whether or not using Vista will be enjoyable. I have to say that regardless of whatever else I think about Vista, MS seems to be trying to make it as widely tested as possible so that it will be as stable as possible when released, and whether you care about the eye candy or not, MS has improved Vista to the point that I think it will be far better in use than XP.

Reply Score: 1

C'mon guys!
by AmigaRobbo on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 11:25 UTC
AmigaRobbo
Member since:
2005-11-15

I've never tried a demo of Vista, and to be honest I can't think where a 3d effect would be useful, but at least it's an attempt at moving foward. In terms of user experience, Windows hasn't really moved forwards since 95, or possibly 98, Same Start button, same shorcuts on desktop, task bar, and all that.

Reply Score: 1

Eyecandy
by PlatformAgnostic on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 17:26 UTC
PlatformAgnostic
Member since:
2006-01-02

It might just be "useless eyecandy", but if you check out this channel9 video, it's pretty impressive: http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=170670.

All of this stuff is so dead easy to get working that it will totally change the way people design interfaces for software. Sure, people are going to use it for evil too, but Avalon will give designers a huge amount of direct power over the look of software.

Even though Microsoft's OS features are rarely for users (like most of Avalon, which is a great boon for devs), Vista will have a lot of stuff users will like. Per-application volume settings, for one, will be enabled by the entirely new audio stack. Faster application launching using superfetch. Better text rendering. Better security against spyware and viruses.

This is stuff users will be able to see. Developers will see a whole lot more. The kernel has major new features, like Transaction Management to make atomic groups of file-related calls (even network requests), restart management facilities (to reboot a machine without destroying the users' state), easier programming models for just about everything from drivers to audio, to graphics.

I, for one, am going to care about Vista much more than I cared about Win2k when I first switched to it from 9x.

Reply Score: 1

My beef with Windows Vista
by rheuser on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 17:58 UTC
rheuser
Member since:
2006-03-22

My main beef against the new OS is going to be the price. In this new era of open source, I think Microsoft ought to give it away to existing Windows users and charge a nominal fee for new users.

I am not willing to pay $200-$300 for 1 copy of an OS
that will feature some new functionalities and a lot of new eye candy.

Reply Score: 1

:My beef with Windows Vista
by djangoxl on Wed 22nd Mar 2006 18:21 UTC
djangoxl
Member since:
2006-03-10

Because you are not willing to pay $200-$300 for Vista, would it be possible to give the OpenBSD project a few bucks....? They really need it and they deserve it:-)

Thanks
A xxx-BSD user

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