Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 25th Mar 2006 18:41 UTC, submitted by mono
Internet Explorer "Many customers have asked us about having a better way to enter IE bugs. It is asked 'Why don't you have Bugzilla like Firefox or other groups do?' We haven't always had a good answer except it is something that the IE team has never done before. After much discussion on the team, we've decided that people are right and that we should have a public way for people to give us feedback or make product suggestions. We wanted to build a system that is searchable and can benefit from the active community that IE has here. As of today, our new Internet Explorer Feedback site is live."
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v Explorer?
by csynt on Sat 25th Mar 2006 21:37 UTC
Passport...
by euank on Sat 25th Mar 2006 22:49 UTC
euank
Member since:
2006-01-02

Just sign all your personal details... including VISA pin number.

Sorry you're not a valid license holder...

Reply Score: 1

Hmm
by Ronald Vos on Sun 26th Mar 2006 01:10 UTC
Ronald Vos
Member since:
2005-07-06

A way for the public to vent their frustrations openly towards the makers of MSIE? Oi..they could regret this and reverse course at some point, or make it hidden and obscure like so many features of Microsoft's website.

Reply Score: 1

Good initiative
by Joe User on Sun 26th Mar 2006 02:36 UTC
Joe User
Member since:
2005-06-29

I hope this helps MS improving its declining browser...
As most people use IE, if MS can improve it, it's good for its users, and created more competition for the browser market...

Reply Score: 2

Hope this is effective
by TaterSalad on Sun 26th Mar 2006 03:29 UTC
TaterSalad
Member since:
2005-07-06

To make this work and improve IE make sure you leave good quality comments. Saying "IE is teh suxx0r" isn't going to get bugs fixed. Saying "While browsing osnews.com the fonts didn't display right using standard font= tags" would be a lot more descriptive. I fear that there will be a backlash from Microsoft haters filling up the bug reports with false info. They made that site for us, now everyone who didn't like certain aspects of IE tell them what they didn't like so they can improve those areas.

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IE growing up?
by JamesTRexx on Sun 26th Mar 2006 07:31 UTC
JamesTRexx
Member since:
2005-11-06

I think the IE team is heading in the right direction. First the meeting with developers from Firefox, Konqueror, was Opera there too? Now opening up for public feedback, makes me feel like IE is starting to become a mature browser. After years of using Mozilla/Firefox and Konqueror, avoiding using IE where possible, I'm feeling more confident about being able to feel safe browsing the web in the future with it. But that will also depend on the upper management of course, as long as they'll let the team keep running things in a more open manner it should be fine and might make for a great example to other divisions/teams.

One thing is funny though, while browsing the faq; "This goes over some of the best practices for putting a bug into the system", might reword that bit of fodder for the MS bashers. *lol*

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Sorry, too little, too late...
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Sun 26th Mar 2006 08:00 UTC
Angel--Fr@gzill@
Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

Internet Explorer.. ?

..HMMM wasn't it the unreliable Internet navigator that took off the market "Netscape", with unfair monoplictic measures, and in the mid 2000 was replaced in most PCs by Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera... ???

Sorry, too little, too late...

!!!

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RE: Sorry, too little, too late...
by sappyvcv on Sun 26th Mar 2006 09:38 UTC in reply to "Sorry, too little, too late..."
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

I didn't know Firefox was out in 2000, nor that Mozilla or Opera had any significant market share?

Wow, you learn something new every day!

And IE took the market by being better then Netscape.

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

sappy, you are so bright, that you must be working for Ms...

- Where in My post did I say that Firefox was out in 2000 ???

- Opera and Mozilla are not as widely used as they deserve, probalbly, but they have a "significant Niche in some areas".

- Try ro read my post again. And try to guess the overall meaning and pupose of the post.. is not so difficult. Sometimes the meanings are literal, sometimes not.. got it???

- Wow, Some people learn something new every day! Some people obviously do not!

- and filnally: IE took the market while being worst than Netscape, and by unfair monopolistic competition, and threats to associates and retailers. This is a fact. It Has been proved and aknowleded by Justice Courts in the USA and in other coutries!

Angel--Fr@gzill@

!!!

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sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

sappy , you are so bright, that you must be working for Ms...

Grow up.

- Where in My post did I say that Firefox was out in 2000 ???

". .HMMM wasn't it the unreliable Internet navigator that took off the market "Netscape", with unfair monoplictic measures, and in the mid 2000 was replaced in most PCs by Firefox, Seamonkey, Opera... ???"

- and filnally: IE took the market while being worst than Netscape, and by unfair monopolistic competition, and threats to associates and retailers. This is a fact. It Has been proved and aknowleded by Justice Courts in the USA and in other coutries!

Um, no. First of all, it is well accepted in the community that Netscape 4 SUCKED and IE4 and 5 is when it started to get good and blew Netscape away. Netscape killed itself.

Second, the ruling related to bundling IE unfairly was ruled VOID by an appealates court, thus your argument about that is well.. pointless.

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

"Um, no. First of all, it is well accepted in the community that Netscape 4 SUCKED and IE4 and 5 is when it started to get good and blew Netscape away. Netscape killed itself.

Second, the ruling related to bundling IE unfairly was ruled VOID by an appealates court, thus your argument about that is well.. pointless."

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Sorry, but I have to disagree again.

Many decissions about that (and other things) were solved by Ms with cash, and pression to the US Administration and legal system...

IF in all of the courts in the US States that were being judged about that they managed to sneak alive and kicking, I can not tell for sure...

But in other parts of the world they have been comdenned; and in the European Union is an ackowledge fact ...!!!

!!!

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sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

You think Netscape was better at the time? That's laughable.

You think that the appealates court DIDN'T void the previous ruling about bundling IE? Um.. ok, but it's the truth, sorry.

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

"Um, no. First of all, it is well accepted in the community that Netscape 4 SUCKED and IE4 and 5 is when it started to get good and blew Netscape away. Netscape killed itself"

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and NO again ...

I am using the Internet since 1991. I started at the university at that moment, and I remember well the differences of quality amnong Netscape and IE. IE did not became really acceptable until ver 5 and by them all the dirty monopolisty job of Ms aginst Netscape had given results...

Netscape was taken out of the market with unfair monoplictic measures. Thats is an indeniable fact!!!

!!!

Reply Score: 2

sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Fact? Hahahaha.. oh come , please. You can't be serious?

I already stated 5 is when IE started to really take over.

IE was the better product, plain and simple. It was more stable, less bloated and faster.

As a side note, know that I despise IE now. I've preferred Opera for years now, and would even prefer Firefox over IE most of the time.

Edited 2006-03-26 18:43

Reply Score: 1

Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

" As a side note, know that I despise IE now. I've preferred Opera for years now, and would even prefer Firefox over IE most of the time "

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Wel done then... At least you are reasonable in something.
Opera is the best now, although not free software. And Firefox is also excellent and better than IE.

Now you just need to read my posts carefully before answering, and everything would be perfect...!!! ;)


When IE was good,stable, less bloated and faster than Netscape, the damage tru monopolistic mesures was already done...

In fact, Netscape did quite well, fighting in such disadvantageus conditions (in any terms, even financial)


!!!

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sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Opera is the best now, although not free software.

Actually, it is free.

Now you just need to read my posts carefully before answering, and everything would be perfect...!!! ;)

I fail to see where I misread something in your posts.

When IE was good,stable, less bloated and faster than Netscape, the damage tru monopolistic mesures was already done...

No, when IE was good is when it finally started to get the greater market-share. There are plenty examples of products that ship with Windows that have an equal or far smaller market share than competing products.

Edited 2006-03-26 21:13

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Angel--Fr@gzill@ Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!
I am gonna help you a bit more so you get it...

Maybe I should have said clearly in "the mid 2000 decade"...(that is to say: were we are now 2005-6; isn't it?), when other browsers are taking a part of the IE market...

I did not felt the need to say everything word by word, literally... Sometimes I assume too much about the capacities of everybody...
!!!

Reply Score: 1

sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Fair enough. You should have said the mid 2000s then.

Mid 2000 means the middle of the year. Mid 2000s would mean middle of the decade.

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RE: Hope this is effective
by PowerMacX on Sun 26th Mar 2006 08:47 UTC
PowerMacX
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2005-11-06

"While browsing osnews.com the fonts didn't display right using standard font= tags"

wow, OSNews does indeed have font tags! C'mon guys, "class=leftmenu" and the corresponding style would be cleaner and save bandwith... ;-)

I fear that there will be a backlash from Microsoft haters filling up the bug reports with false info.

No need, there are plenty of real bugs in IE's rendering engine. No web developer would waste time making up fake bugs if they think there is at least a chance that Microsoft would take a look at the reports.

They'll probably get a LOT of duplicate bug reports though...

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RE[2]: Hope this is effective
by TaterSalad on Sun 26th Mar 2006 14:56 UTC in reply to "RE: Hope this is effective"
TaterSalad Member since:
2005-07-06

About the font tags with osnews, fonts display just fine. I was only using that as an example. I'm not a web developer so I don't know what common issues there are for browsers displaying pages, but saying font tags was the only example I could think of. Again, the fonts are fine.

If MS gets duplicate reports that would be good. At least then they would know there is an actual problem with IE in that specific area.

Reply Score: 1

it's fallen and it can't get up
by AdamW on Sun 26th Mar 2006 09:50 UTC
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2005-07-06

Can't even browse the database without signing in? Whoops. Fails at the first hurdle.

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What's the going rate?
by AndyJ on Sun 26th Mar 2006 10:12 UTC
AndyJ
Member since:
2005-06-30

I wonder if they will be charging $35 a pop as they do with filing other product reports at MS (refundable - allegedly - IF MS agrees that what is reported is a bug).

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RE: What's the going rate?
by Joe User on Sun 26th Mar 2006 17:03 UTC in reply to "What's the going rate?"
Joe User Member since:
2005-06-29

Yes, they should charge $35 for each bug report - They would make a million dollar per week.

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Nothing like Bugzilla at all...
by rklrkl on Sun 26th Mar 2006 23:46 UTC
rklrkl
Member since:
2005-07-06

As other people have pointed out, this is a pathetic attempt to make it look like the IE team look like they're "transparent" w.r.t. bug reporting. The fact that the Internet Explorer Feedback Site *immediately* requires a Passport login is a user-interface disaster of the highest magnitude. Yes, I have to register and give a lot of personal details (not just e-mail and name like with Mozilla's Bugzilla) before I'm even allowed to *view* a single bug report - sorry, MS, try again - you're languishing in last place w.r.t. to this.

Of course, the even more cynical amongst you might say that it's a deliberate move by MS to block the site with a high barrier to entry like MS Passport, simply to discourage all but the hard-core users from reporting bugs, thus keeping the volume of bugs to deal with low (and, of course, allowing them to brag that they have less bugs reported than on Mozilla's bugzilla)...

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IE 7 is nice
by proforma on Mon 27th Mar 2006 04:44 UTC
proforma
Member since:
2005-08-27

IE 7 Beta 2 is nice. I love it. No, it's not perfect, but it's good enough for me.

I am sure I will be rated down by this great community.

Anything from Microsoft that gets a positive review is always modded down.

God forbid that Microsoft is making better and better products and the jealousy is coming on strong.

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