Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 31st Mar 2006 14:37 UTC, submitted by pecisk
Novell and Ximian The lastest stable version of Novell's Evolution is now also available for Mac OS X users. "I am pleased to announce the release of Evolution-2.6 Binary release for Mac OS X. The release works on versions 10.3 and 10.4 of the Mac OS. This release also contains the exchange plugin which was not ported during the 2.4 cycle. This release is feature compatible with the GNOME-2.14 release." Downloads.
Order by: Score:
Windows version?
by toomany on Fri 31st Mar 2006 15:05 UTC
toomany
Member since:
2005-11-09

I'm a happy freebsd/linux user, but the windows version of evo will be a great success for more than one people...

Reply Score: 3

RE: Windows version?
by cg0def on Fri 31st Mar 2006 16:53 UTC in reply to "Windows version?"
cg0def Member since:
2006-02-12

I second this

Reply Score: 1

RE: Windows version?
by TaterSalad on Fri 31st Mar 2006 19:45 UTC in reply to "Windows version?"
TaterSalad Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm also looking forward to a Windows port of Evolution. I haven't heard anything about it in months tho.

Reply Score: 1

Nice!
by Morgan on Fri 31st Mar 2006 15:26 UTC
Morgan
Member since:
2005-06-29

I had been looking forward to this, then I got rid of my Mac. Still, I'm very happy for all the Mac users out there who have been waiting for this.

Reply Score: 1

yeah :)
by henrikw on Fri 31st Mar 2006 15:31 UTC
henrikw
Member since:
2006-03-03

hopefully I can throw away Entourage now ;)

Reply Score: 2

Native?
by CharAznable on Fri 31st Mar 2006 15:42 UTC
CharAznable
Member since:
2005-07-06

Is this a native port? If so, I think this qualifies as big news.

EDIT:
Just read the READ ME. It's not a native port. =/
Still cool though.

Edited 2006-03-31 15:44

Reply Score: 2

RE: Native?
by sequethin on Fri 31st Mar 2006 16:21 UTC in reply to "Native?"
sequethin Member since:
2005-07-06

not a native port? so what is it? if I have to run it in X11 then that sucks =/ (yes I could just download it and see but it's fun to ask in a forum haha)

Reply Score: 0

RE[2]: Native?
by Tyr. on Fri 31st Mar 2006 16:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Native?"
Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

not a native port? so what is it? if I have to run it in X11 then that sucks =/ (yes I could just download it and see but it's fun to ask in a forum haha)

From the README ( http://forgeftp.novell.com//evolution/builds/osx-evolution-2.6/READ... ) :

"Troubleshooting

1) My installer does not launch the app properly

Check if you have XDarwin or X11 installed on your system, if not please install them. Evolution runs by connecting to the XServer and uses X11 for display."

Oh well, Thunderbird still works like a charm :-)

Edited 2006-03-31 16:28

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Native?
by sequethin on Fri 31st Mar 2006 16:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Native?"
sequethin Member since:
2005-07-06

/me cancels download ;)

I guess it will be Mail.app/addressbook/iCal *sigh* for now.

I wonder how sunbird is coming along these days..........

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Native?
by ra1n on Fri 31st Mar 2006 18:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Native?"
ra1n Member since:
2006-02-11

Actually I find them good programs, the only thing that really su**s it's that mail.app doesn't have a decent message threading!!!! Apple developers of you hear me add a proper threading to mail.app please!!!

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: Native?
by CharAznable on Fri 31st Mar 2006 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Native?"
CharAznable Member since:
2005-07-06

I really like mail.app and its somewhat decent IMAP support. Thunderbird's IMAP is even better. Evolution always gave me a bit of trouble in that respect, although I'd still love a native Evolution port to be able to connect to those pesky Exchange servers when the need arises.

Reply Score: 1

RE[6]: Native?
by ra1n on Fri 31st Mar 2006 19:15 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Native?"
ra1n Member since:
2006-02-11

Imap support in mail.app it's also somewhat odd because instead of showing the imap folders in one tree like TB, it shows:
the inbox under the main inbox tree and the other folders sparse in the inbox if you add a single account, grouping them under the account name only if you add two or more imap accounts ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE[5]: Native?
by tertiary_adjunct on Fri 31st Mar 2006 19:18 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Native?"
tertiary_adjunct Member since:
2006-01-15

What exactly is wrong with Mail.app's threading? It has always worked pretty well for me. Is there something that Evolution does that is different? If so what? I think Mail.app was the first mail app that I saw that used threading...of course I was an Outlook user on XP at the time Mail.app came out with threading so I may have overlooked something.

As far as the nativeness goes, I wonder if Evolution will follow the same route as OO.o went with NeoOffice (http://www.neooffice.org/) in that a separate product will be based on the original to get the native windowing going.

Reply Score: 2

RE[6]: Native?
by sequethin on Fri 31st Mar 2006 20:41 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Native?"
sequethin Member since:
2005-07-06

I don't really see a problem with Mail.app's threading. I actually like it as a mail client. As I think about it now... it might be better to have an email client, addressbook, and calendar as separate programs... instead of one HUGE app to do it "all"

Reply Score: 2

RE[7]: Native?
by ra1n on Fri 31st Mar 2006 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Native?"
ra1n Member since:
2006-02-11

thread view it's simply non-existent, when you choose thread view it simply groups messages

Reply Score: 1

Can't get the Exchange Plugin working
by crispoe on Fri 31st Mar 2006 15:53 UTC
crispoe
Member since:
2006-01-09

Has anyone got this working successfully yet? I dont see it in my choices for setting up my mailbox.

Reply Score: 1

And for Microsoft Windows ??
by Manuel FLURY on Fri 31st Mar 2006 16:33 UTC
Manuel FLURY
Member since:
2005-07-05

I think Novell was planning to port evolution on windows too, and even to have its own "exchange killer", did somebody have any news about that ?

Reply Score: 1

Not native Cocoa
by Tom K on Fri 31st Mar 2006 17:12 UTC
Tom K
Member since:
2005-07-06

Disgusting. You can expect this to behave and look as butt-ugly as OpenOffice does on OS X.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Not native Cocoa
by tantalic on Fri 31st Mar 2006 17:31 UTC in reply to "Not native Cocoa"
tantalic Member since:
2005-07-06

As many have pointed out an X11 app for OS X and does not have a native feel or integrate with some of the more advanced features of OS X. That said it should be noted that just as with OpenOffice, a feature complete X11 port is a very important step towards a fully native OS X application, so this is an important milestone for those of us hoping to see a Carbon/Cocoa Evolution.

Reply Score: 2

ok.... a waste of my time...
by tryphcycle on Fri 31st Mar 2006 17:25 UTC
tryphcycle
Member since:
2006-02-16

id love to try it out, but i am in no mood to put X back in my G5... a Native verson of evolution is SO needed... don;t get me wrong. having the option to run X and all the OSS apps with in OSX is really cool. but for the OSX world at large to take any app seriously... it has got to be native! other wise... its just for geeks! and not everyone is geek... nor do they want to be!

Reply Score: 4

160 meg download for a mail client
by drsmoothy on Fri 31st Mar 2006 17:29 UTC
drsmoothy
Member since:
2005-07-06

This is bull! I know I gotta get some Gnome libs to get this to work, but 160 meg download for an e-mail client? Now that's bloat . . .

No thanks, I'll stick w/ thunderbird

Reply Score: 5

SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

What?, remember it's a GNOME app.

Reply Score: 2

Kwitschibo Member since:
2006-01-17

Hey you expert... its a PIM... Troll...

PS: evolution-2.6.0-1.i386.rpm 12Meg ... not a Gnome Prob

Edited 2006-04-01 15:03

Reply Score: 1

smashIt Member since:
2005-07-06

but 160 meg download for an e-mail client? Now that's bloat . . .


this is bloat: http://temp.funtech.org/OfficeXP.PNG

Edited 2006-04-01 01:10

Reply Score: 3

Doesn't work
by booleanman on Fri 31st Mar 2006 17:46 UTC
booleanman
Member since:
2006-03-31

I downloaded the app; it installs over 600mb of files, most of which end up in /opt. The "application" launches X11. I tried it and I got an error on startup. I never even saw the evolution window. Your milleage may vary. I'm going to have to classify this as not ready for prime time.

Reply Score: 4

fools
by PipoDeClown on Fri 31st Mar 2006 17:49 UTC
PipoDeClown
Member since:
2005-07-19

this is an early 1 april fools day joke lol

Reply Score: 1

Respnses illustrate a point...
by HopHead on Fri 31st Mar 2006 18:07 UTC
HopHead
Member since:
2006-01-31

I think the responses here are indicative of how having dual boot windows and windows vitualization on the mac will not harm Mac applications availability. Most OSX users dont even want to use perfectly fine and fully, completely and as thoroughly NATIVE as can be X11 applicaitons under OSX. Theres no way the majority of people are going to dual boot or fire up an instance of Windows unless there is absolutely no other way.

I personally enjoy having access to X11 apps and I use some (bluefish and gimp) daily. But I've straddled the Mac/unix fence since the early 90's. I do think Apple could integrate X11 a bit better into OSX so that interoperation is relatively seamless. In Tiger X11 is an optional install (though, unlike classic, it is included on the install disks). I'd like to see X11 automatically installed and more popular apps packaged similar to Gimp.app to make installations less intrusive. Non-tech users simply arent going to mess with fink or darwin ports, no matter how easy they are to use.

Reply Score: 1

snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

My biggest beef with X11 is that there isn't patch code in it to understand dfonts. Some ports of OSS like Inkscape are smart enough to figure it out, but OOo isn't and requires you to run Fondu before installing OOo (making a wasteful TTF copy of the dfonts).

Apple doesn't have much excuse for not optimizing/overhauling X11 to the point where more of its software behaves natively. A preference to move menu bars to the top of the screen and transparently translate their events back and forth would be a good start.

Reply Score: 1

rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Apple cannot transparently move the menus to the top of the screen, because menus aren't implemented at the X11 level, they are implemented at the toolkit level. I don't think GTK+ even creates a window for the menubar --- its just some region of the X11 window that only the toolkit knows about.

Reply Score: 3

snozzberry Member since:
2005-11-14

What you're saying is that GTK+ menu bars aren't an X11 native API, so it would require OS X to recognize GTK+ toolkit APIs and intercept/translate them.

Isn't this fundamentally what Classic mode does?

Reply Score: 1

Not the first port to OS X?
by tertiary_adjunct on Fri 31st Mar 2006 18:23 UTC
tertiary_adjunct
Member since:
2006-01-15

I'm confused. According to the linked info, this would seem like the first time Evolution has been ported to OS X, but according to Novell
http://forge.novell.com/modules/xfcontent/downloads.php/evolution/b...
there are multiple OS X compliant versions of Evolution available...some look earlier than this build.

Reply Score: 1

Actually, it works
by paperfrog on Fri 31st Mar 2006 19:22 UTC
paperfrog
Member since:
2006-01-01

Geez, guys: why look a gift horse in the mouth? Judging from the angry comments, you'd think some of you actually paid for this program.

There's not much chance I'll use a non-native application when Cocoa programs are available, but I like Evolution on my Linux boxes, and decided to see how well it would install on OS X.

It's a big file, as some have pointed out. But it's not as if we don't have broadband.

I unarchived the bzip and tar, and clicked the installer package. Things went smoothly.

First launch took a while. I'd never used X11, though I installed it with Tiger. There was a script prompt to launch Evolution. I clicked it, and up came the familiar configuration screen. Evolution was pulling mail a few moments later.

Once it's running, Evolution is much faster on this dual G5 than on my modest x86 workstation. MUCH faster. But I've got plenty of RAM. That's a good thing, because something is sure as hell chewing it up. I was using about 800 MB before launching Evolution. The process monitor says about a gig and a half are in use now, though X11 is only using 12 MB and Evolution about 27 MB. Apple Mail is coasting along at 16.

On subsequent launches -- even after closing X11 -- Evolution opens in a couple of seconds, though not quite as quickly as Apple Mail.

I've sent a few messages, and all is well. I did have some trouble importing an iCal file, but haven't looked to see why. Overall, the application is surprisingly snappy.

Wonder where all the RAM is going?

A native port of Evolution on OS X and Windows would be an attractive alternative to Outlook, I think.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Actually, it works
by Ronald Vos on Sat 1st Apr 2006 11:36 UTC in reply to "Actually, it works"
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

Geez, guys: why look a gift horse in the mouth? Judging from the angry comments, you'd think some of you actually paid for this program.

Where are the angry comments? I see none, I only see people saying: "Ooh, a turd. No thanks."

Reply Score: 1

exchange plugin??
by Nehemoth on Fri 31st Mar 2006 21:10 UTC
Nehemoth
Member since:
2005-07-07

Can somebody please tell me which is the version of exchange supported for this plugin??


Regards

Reply Score: 1

No thanks
by Joe User on Fri 31st Mar 2006 21:36 UTC
Joe User
Member since:
2005-06-29

Opera's email client works better and is more integrated into the O.S.

Reply Score: 1

Curious
by kaiwai on Fri 31st Mar 2006 23:40 UTC
kaiwai
Member since:
2005-07-06

With GTK+ and the likes, when is GTK going to be picked up and completely based upon Cairo? that would solve the issue of GTK platform availaibility, it would be simply a matter of porting Cairo to a given platform, and voila, you end up with a working GTK version for your platform of choice.

Reply Score: 2

Evolution divided evolution?
by ganloo on Sat 1st Apr 2006 09:30 UTC
ganloo
Member since:
2005-07-06

When will Novell decide to seperate Evolution functions as standalone application (like mozilla.org's decision)? Evolution is great, but if used as an Email client, it's a bit bloated. There are already some applications like planner, date, I hope I will see one like Mac Address too, and one mail client using libtinymail.

Reply Score: 1

Screenshot?
by iampivot on Sun 2nd Apr 2006 19:22 UTC
iampivot
Member since:
2005-08-09

My new macbook arrives in a few weeks. Does anyone have a screenshot, or does it look exactly like the linux version?

Reply Score: 1

no exchange supprt :(
by MatzeLoCal on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 11:50 UTC
MatzeLoCal
Member since:
2005-11-12

Bad thing is, that it does not seem to have support for exchange servers...

Reply Score: 1