Linked by Adam S on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 12:06 UTC
Linux Abraham Lincoln once said "Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt." Apparently, Tuttle, OK city manager Jerry Taylor never got the memo. Barely a week after his humiliating brush with celebrity after the CentOS fiasco, Taylor has definitively proven that arrogance and ignorance make a humorous combo. The Tuttle Times covers the embarassing incident, along with Taylor's gotta-see-it-to-believe-it response.
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Wow
by Ronald Vos on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 12:43 UTC
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And after all that, he still remains thick:

"“I was just frustrated,” he said. “I’ve got a strange website coming up, and I don’t know who caused it.” Taylor said that he also did not regret threatening Hughes with FBI action, since he believes that was what prompted Hughes to start treating him seriously.

It's frustrating to see people with such a lack of people-skills hold a public office.

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RE: Wow
by AdrianRyan on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 12:59 UTC in reply to "Wow"
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2005-07-02

In all fairness, the city manager often isn't a public office, but one appointed by the mayor. However, the point of the city manager is to know a lot about a lot of things, to keep all aspects of the city running smoothly, and to also know when he doesn't know something, and to then consult someone else about it. That's the only way to make good decisions in an office as broad as that one. He obviously doesn't know how to do the second one, and for that alone should no longer be in his office, because with anyone, the stuff they don't know is a much larger set than that they do know.

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RE: Wow
by Celerate on Tue 4th Apr 2006 00:19 UTC in reply to "Wow"
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

"It's frustrating to see people with such a lack of people-skills hold a public office."

I think Taylor should make a public apology to CentOS, I'd love to see that get on international news. The linked article felt like a euphemism in comparisson to the real thing. While it's true that he didn't resort to vulgarities as I recall, he was still rude and arrogant and couldn't stop posturing with FBI threats. Simply refusing to get help from someone who knew what they were doing by claiming that he knew enough with his supposed 22 years of experience is nothing less than arrogance, god forbit his geek pride gets hurt when he has to admit he doesn't know everything. Even after CentOS sorted his problem out for him he still implied that the fault lied with them by telling them that if they had come up with the information sooner he wouldn't have had to threaten them.

And of course when you think the guy's finally finished, here comes this article with the monkey flinging yet more poo around: "“This is just a bunch of freaks out there that don’t have anything better to do,” he said. “When I came in to work Monday morning, I had about 500 e-mails, plus anonymous phone calls from all the geeks out there. [CentOS is] a free operating system that this guy gives away, which tells you how much time he’s got on his hands.”"

If that guy was working for me a simply firing wouldn't be sufficient, I'd be pretty tempted to boot his ass into orbit. It's funny how he insulted CentOS for making the OS he gets to enjoy for free, yet if the same thing had happened with Windows he would be paying for the whole experience, what an ungratefull asshole.

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"The information I needed"
by AdrianRyan on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 12:44 UTC
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I found this and posted it in a comment on another site earlier. It's pretty telling. My comment then was that I'm glad that my town (which is also rather small and rural) doesn't have an adminstration such as this one, one with more arrogance than actualy knowledge or ability. The fact that Mr. Taylor would not appologise for any of the remarks he made, or even consider that he made someone completely univolved do his work for him (finding the provider, etc.) unfairly shows a complete lack of even a simple understanding of common courtesy. Really, one shouldn't expect a small town city manager to know everything about computers, and he has a point that it is drilled into the layman that pretty much everything they do online can "cause a virus." However, the fact that he could claim 22 years of IT background, and not understand simple server terms, nor appologise when he was a complete ass to the person who tried to and eventually did help him, shows that he is unfit for leadership, at least IMHO.

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spin
by KenJackson on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 12:55 UTC
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Taylor said that he also did not regret threatening Hughes with FBI action, since he believes that was what prompted Hughes to start treating him seriously.

“After that, he called me Mr. Taylor,” he said, “And he got me the information I needed.”


This is proof that you can put a spin on anything.

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Consulting hours
by Gnomonic on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:10 UTC
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2005-08-17

Of course, the Mayor has to support the City Manager, they are probably friends.

The worst thing about "Mr. Taylor"'s response is his insistence that it is CentOS's responsibility to fix his problem. If I were Hughes, I would send a bill for the time spent on fixing the problem.

Then Mr. Taylor would see that there is indeed money in giving an OS away.

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What a tool
by archeas76 on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:13 UTC
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Plain and simple...this guy is an idiot. With 22 years of computer experience you would think he would have had some sort of knowledge or insight as to what is happening on the web server..assuming he knew what a web server is at the time!!!

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Enough already
by danieldk on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:20 UTC
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Give the guy some flack. I suppose that he got the message after last week's media coverage. If he did not he will probably not get it. There is a large gap between who have in-depth knowledge of computers and networking, and those who do not. And from the other side it is possibly hard to comprehend to see what is going on.

At any rate, it isn't useful to reiterate the whole story again. Mr. Taylor will only get more hatemail, and it hurts the image of the GNU/Linux community. We are not a bunch of obsessive zealots. So, let's not act like one.

Edited 2006-04-03 13:21

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RE: Enough already
by Beryllium on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:35 UTC in reply to "Enough already"
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2005-07-08

Give the guy some flack.

That's what we're doing.

What kind of arrogant S.O.B. threatens to call the FBI? Have you ever been in an IRC channel where some idiot comes in, and threatens to call the FBI or police on you when his internet connection keeps dropping? This is almost exactly the same thing, and I'm kind of annoyed that the CentOS people responded at all to him, even before the threat.

I mean, if they had just politely steered him towards Apache troubleshooting, they would have done their job. He could call the FBI all he wants, but chances are that their investigators have more of a clue than he does - at the very least, I'm sure they have a direct line to their IT guys.

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RE: Enough already
by Soulbender on Tue 4th Apr 2006 02:44 UTC in reply to "Enough already"
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2005-08-18

"There is a large gap between who have in-depth knowledge of computers and networking, and those who do not. And from the other side it is possibly hard to comprehend to see what is going on."

Indded, and and that is why, as the city manager, it is his *JOB* to consult people who *DO* know. It's not his job to be an ignorant a$$.
He could have avoided a lot of the bad publicity that followed by doing the professional thing and say he got in over his head and that he made a mistake. He didnt and now what has happened is noones fault but his own.

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RE: Enough already
by kaiwai on Tue 4th Apr 2006 04:48 UTC in reply to "Enough already"
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2005-07-06

here is a large gap between who have in-depth knowledge of computers and networking, and those who do not. And from the other side it is possibly hard to comprehend to see what is going on.[/i]

True, but this is a guy with supposidly 22 YEARS OF INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY EXPERIENCE!

Lets translate this into 'Joe Blogs' speak; it would be the equivilant of saying, (setting in New Zealand), "how can you be out of bacon! with 60million sheep!" (yes, a league player visiting New Zealand actually said just that).

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Makes us computer engineers look bad
by flav2000 on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:22 UTC
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Can't say I got 22 years of experience. I'm just a few years older than his 22 years of experience myself.

I would be ashamed of myself if I got 22 years of experience and make a gigantic mistake like this. I wonder which idiot school of computer engineer he got a degree out off? (and I'll sure to avoid those people).

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Riddic Member since:
2005-10-05

I would be ashamed of myself if I got 22 years of experience and make a gigantic mistake like this.

I'd guess that these "22 years of experience" of his are turning the computer on, using Word and Solitaire and shutting it down. With maybe one or two extra courses in "How to use the Internet Explorer".

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Ignorant
by JCooper on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:32 UTC
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[CentOS is] a free operating system that this guy gives away, which tells you how much time he’s got on his hands.

I don't think I like Mr Taylor's tone there. What is he implying? I suspect that even now he still doesn't understand the background and what the fuss is all about. I get the impression he's just burying his head in the sand, waiting for the news around his stupidity and rudeness to blow over.

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RE: Ignorant
by Beryllium on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:36 UTC in reply to "Ignorant"
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No. That's not how these people react. No matter how big it gets, it will fuel him and convince him evermore that he was right. He will never understand.

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by Rapsey on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:35 UTC
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22 years huh? Didn't know solitaire was that old

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by Lazarus on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:35 UTC
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2005-08-10

It's a good thing that I've never been put into any sort of role where I'd have to deal with people like Jerry. I'd have replied *once* and would have done so in such a way as to make Theo de Raadt look like a saint.

Johnny Hughes is a better man than I.

Edited 2006-04-03 13:38

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:-)
by bouh on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:38 UTC
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I think you guy misunderstood the poor man. He did 22 years of IT and suddenly stopped for even more maybe. When he found an occasion to raise a flamewar he just jumped on it! :-D

Edited 2006-04-03 13:39

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Correction
by viniosity on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 13:52 UTC
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FTA: "Hughes is a developer of CentOS, which stands for the Computerized ENTerprise Operating System."
Actually, it is Community ENTerprise Operating System.

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Welcome To Fawlty Tuttles
by randy7376 on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 14:11 UTC
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Jerry Taylor appears to be the "Basil Fawlty" of city managers.

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RE: Welcome To Fawlty Tuttles
by Sphinx on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 17:00 UTC in reply to "Welcome To Fawlty Tuttles"
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2005-07-09

More like Basil Fawlty's bellhop really.

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RE[2]: Welcome To Fawlty Tuttles
by Soulbender on Tue 4th Apr 2006 02:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Welcome To Fawlty Tuttles"
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2005-08-18

No, Manuel isn't an a$$. He's just a guy who tries his best. Mr Taylors arrogance and ignorance is much more like Basil.

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Big Thanks
by hhcv on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 14:12 UTC
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Gee... I feel really bad for the developers who make all of this (CentOS) possible and get treated like this. Let's forget about complaining to Tuttle (wasting our time on a hopeless cause) and give these guys a bit of positive reinforcement eh?

http://www.centos.org/modules/tinycontent/index.php?id=23

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pjjmartin
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2005-07-08

API

Oklahoma residents were surprised to find the town of Tuttle replaced by a cryptic message:

"If you are seeing this sign, it is because the city manager has misconfigured the space time continuum in the surrounding area. Please contact your system administrator or deity."

Calls to the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security went unanswered as of this morning.

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v “I feel sorry for your city”
by ronaldst on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 15:33 UTC
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2005-07-06

" With statements like this, it's obvious CentOS people haven't been in the enterprise business for long. Instead of replying in a calm matter, Hughes replied in full anger. "

Absolutely not. How can you contend such a thing with a straight face? I've dealt with plenty of large organizations and received far less favourable responses. Let us not forget that he was being baited by someone who wasn't even a "customer". His response was commendable and anything more pandering on his point would have only encouraged Jerry into worse behaviour than he was already exhibiting.

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boots Member since:
2005-07-06

"Had Hughes answered proberly, all this fiasco would have been avoided. His response wasn't "commendable" at all. What Hughes did was a classic newbie error. He replied with throwing more gazoline onto the fire."

What are you talking about? What would have been a proper response in your opinion, a full bendover? Jerry sends off an ill-tempered email, making demands and threats and you suggest that Mr. Hughes very restrained and even helpful response was inappropriate and caused the issue? It sounds to me that you need to review the facts a little bit more objectively and without the bias that "the customer is always right". Jerry was not and is not a customer of Mr. Hughes nor did he claim to have any desire to be. He demanded satisfaction from someone who had no responsibility to provide any service to him at all. In most places, if you glove slap someone you are asking for much worse than the helpful responses that Mr. Hughes provided.

Edited 2006-04-03 16:07

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

He replied extremely kindly to Taylor.

The mere fact Taylor claims 22 years of experience and doesn't even know about index.html shows how stupid he is, and how wonderfully calm and nice the reply from Hughes was.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Whatever..

The real sinners in this story is hosting company. They said they weren't running CentOS while they actually were.

Taylor should give CentOS an apology and find another company to host the website of Tuttle.

Hughes replied calmly to all the nonsense coming from Taylor.

Of course the reply wasn't overly kind, but it's not supposed to be.

If somebody blames you for the errors done by other persons, you probably won't be capable of answering as nicely as Hughes did.

The mere fact you can Hughes for doing so much to help Taylor shows how much of a Tuttlemoron you are yourself.

The only better thing Hughes could have done would have been to reply: "Not our problem. Contact your host."

And simply keep replying that.

Considering how ignorant Taylor is, I too feel sorry for the city.

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Hughes replied in full anger.

No he didn't. Read the e-mails.

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bkavanaugh Member since:
2005-07-07

"We hope you are happy with it, since we produced it for free and you are able to use it without paying us ... and are even threatening to have us arrested for providing to you free of charge."

He did reply in full anger. He should have just pointed out the obvious problem and shut his mouth (aka no side remarks).

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His reply is not "in full anger". He probably shouldn't have thrown in the two side comments ("I feel sorry for your city" and the one you cite above) in his first e-mail. However, considering the tone he got from Jerry Taylor - who certainly could've acted more professionally throughout this whole exchange - I think his initial reply was fairly calm. "In full anger"? No way.

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BigZaphod Member since:
2005-07-06

Why should Mr. Hughes have to shut his mouth and put up with that kind of crap? He's a human too. Not only that, but CentOS is provided for FREE. He has no obligation to be polite in the face of abuse. None. He's not a public servant - unlike Mr. Taylor who, ironically, was rude from the very start.

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ThanhLy Member since:
2006-03-14

Hughes could have just not replied. Or give out a canned reply telling the user to referring Taylor to their IT dept or the CentOS forums for further help in web server trouble shooting. But Hughes didn't. He filled that reply with a big cup of "We hope you are happy with it", "we produced it for free".

But Hughes DID tell Taylor to seek out an IT personnel in his own department. Taylor refused that suggestion, very likely because there is no IT person in his dept. I'd be shocked if Taylor IS the IT dept...

Oh and, reporting Taylor to ISP for abuse... sound familiar?? Replace ISP with another 3 letter acronym. Yeah, you got it ;)

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Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

"Oh and, reporting Taylor to ISP for abuse... sound familiar?? Replace ISP with another 3 letter acronym. Yeah, you got it ;) "

Reporting someone to their ISP for abuse is a minor event and serves to make the internet a safer and friendlier place. Abusing someone and threatening to report them to the FBI because you couldn't find your way out of a closet with a map on the other hand is malicious and qualifies someone as being the dangerous type who should be reported in order to keep the internet safe.

For that matter I don't know how people can sympathize with Taylor who, rather than simply reading the very clear page sitting in front of him (like this one: http://centos.hughesjr.com/testing/noindex_new.html ), resorted instead to having a temper tantrum.

At the very least maybe this will teach Jerry Taylor some manners and self restraint.

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elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

The Open Source aspect doesn't matter in this case. The City is paying for hosting services. Replacing Apache with IIS would have amounted to the same thing.

Actually, that would have been funnier, because Microsoft wouldn't even have responded without a $35 support fee charged to his credit card. Imagine poor Jerry's outrage then.

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archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

He did reply in full anger.

No he didn't, and especially not in the passage you quoted. At the very worst he is slightly sarcastic, which is quite understandable given the circumstances. But even then he managed to retain a polite, diplomatic tone.

You're just using this incident as an excuse to further your own anti-Linux agenda.

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rft183 Member since:
2005-08-11

I think that the "I feel sorry for your city" comment does come across as a little rude (not that Mr. Taylor wasn't rude to begin with). Most of what Hughes said was very reasonable and calm. I am wondering if Hughes didn't actually mean "I am sorry that your city's web page is not working". I think that fits in more with what he was saying. Of course, I can't read minds...

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

You're way off man.

Hughes replied in a very very kind way, trying to explain to a person without any knowledge whatsoever, what was going on, including pointing him to the right place for information.

Taylor started a flamewar and the mere fact that we can laugh at his stupidity makes him attack the rest of the world.

Look at the way he talks about 'geeks'.

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otters Member since:
2006-04-03

If anything, Taylor's sheer stupidity and accusations forced CentOS to be defensive.

As I always say.. "you can lead an ass to knowledge, but you can't make him think."

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Middle of nowhere
by Bonus on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 15:37 UTC
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2005-12-23

Just shows what 22 years of media pampering can do to a human being.

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How rude can you be?
by hornett on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 15:42 UTC
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So after he insults and threatens the CentOS dev, who helped him even though it was not his problem - he is rude to him once again.

"[CentOS is] a free operating system that this guy gives away, which tells you how much time he’s got on his hands."

Simply amazing quite how stupid and rude some people are. ;)

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Bill the City!
by Michael_Valentine on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 16:28 UTC
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2005-07-22

He should bill the City or ask for an apology for payment in full!

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All hail!
by Sphinx on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 17:03 UTC
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2005-07-09

Based on the kindness of his replies I'm nominating Hughes for saint-hood. His patience is the stuff legends are made of.

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Still hasn't done the classy thing
by Tyr. on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 17:05 UTC
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He (Taylor) still hasn't done the right thing and apologized for harassing someone who had absolutely nothing to do with his problem. He still hasn't thanked him for solving his problem (even though under absolutely no obligation to do so) either. What a class act huh ?

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v best
by happycamper on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 17:16 UTC
RE: best
by Ronald Vos on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 19:07 UTC in reply to "best "
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2005-07-06

those are the problems that happens when trying to save a buck. don't accept cheap imitations insist on the best. the most trusted brand name worldwide for over 20yrs and it's installed on 90% of the desktops. with award winning text support. and it even supports DRM, always demand on the best. demand for Microsoft products.

Whatever they're paying you, they're paying you too much for this pityful attempt at guerilla marketing.

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RE[2]: best
by ChiliJ on Tue 4th Apr 2006 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE: best "
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2005-08-12

Grandparent is a shill? Hmmm.. sounds sarcastic for me

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The correct response
by Tyr. on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 17:39 UTC
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The correct response here would have been to send a nice thank-you note along with some local product to Hughes. Then submit the story to whatever media will cary it. It's a waste of a perfectly good PR opportunity for Tuttle really. They might even have done their town moto justice "The place where people grow - friendly".

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Tuttle-ville: Each town has its Homer.
by aGNUstic on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 17:44 UTC
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2005-07-28

Has anyone noticed a Homer Simpson look?

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Don't insult Homer! ;)

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Electrical Engineer
by otters on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 18:04 UTC
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Taylor's bio said he had a degree in Electrical Engineer, so I wouldn't necessarily expect him to know much about a web server.

What is inexcusable is his failure to read the default Apache page, call the city's IT manager, and solve the issue internally.

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RE: Electrical Engineer
by otters on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 18:38 UTC in reply to "Electrical Engineer"
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2006-04-03

Ay, where did my "ing" go?

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RE[2]: Electrical Engineer
by dylansmrjones on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 19:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Electrical Engineer"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Your keyboard was infected with the CentOS virus.

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RE: Electrical Engineer
by rabyte on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 20:16 UTC in reply to "Electrical Engineer"
rabyte Member since:
2005-06-29

I have to second that.

The Apache test page reads:
"If you have issues with the content of this site, contact the owner of the domain, not the CentOS project."

It's that easy.

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RE: Electrical Engineer
by kaiwai on Tue 4th Apr 2006 04:55 UTC in reply to "Electrical Engineer"
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2005-07-06

Taylor's bio said he had a degree in Electrical Engineer, so I wouldn't necessarily expect him to know much about a web server.

Did his little display of stupidity force the university to take back his degree?

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Is it just me?
by Lu-Tze on Mon 3rd Apr 2006 21:24 UTC
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Or soes anybody else notice that Tuttle Times is also rather clueless about all this. Not only do they not report the CentOS perspective, they don't even clarify that the manager is a moron. They just say that the Mayor is happy with the guy and so on. I guess the fact that they got the full form of CentOS wrong kinda tells you something. I mean it's right there on the title of the centos.org page. So maybe we are geeks and it might be strange that someone gives you software for free.

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Give it a rest..
by naelurec on Tue 4th Apr 2006 03:25 UTC
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Tuttle is a small farming town of about 5,000 people southwest of Oklahoma City. I'm just taking a *wild* guess here but I doubt Tuttle has a sophisticated IT staff. As of March 2002 (according to city-data.com), Tuttle government workers averaged $22k/yr salary with 34 full time employees and 31 part time employees (this includes fire, police, gas, water, etc).

Bottom line .. this guys web site wasn't accessible and he needed it online but didn't have anyone dedicated to do this job. As we have all mentioned, a City Manager has a lot of different, unrelated jobs to manage. This website issue was something he really didn't want to deal with (its technical and it sounds like doesn't know anything about it) so he shot from the hip and was dead wrong about it being a hacker group.

Even though he could have rectified the situation the bottom line is he IS the city manager for Tuttle, OK, makes next to nothing for his effort and doesn't have the luxury of a lot of "go to" people when things well outside of the norm impact his day-to-day activities.

I really wish people in the community would think a bit before linking this to their blog (apparently over 26,000 times), emailing Tuttle officials 800+ times, plus calling, leaving voicemails, yada yada.. While the initial story was amusing, the response makes the open source community look very unprofessional irregardless of if it was warranted or not.

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RE: Give it a rest..
by Adam S on Tue 4th Apr 2006 13:10 UTC in reply to "Give it a rest.."
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

1. Jerry Taylor is paid $63K a year, which is public record, which you can verify.

2. No one expects him to be able to administer a Linux machine, but it's fair to expect him to not be a complete dick via email, especially when it's been pointed out that he's wrong.

3. Anyone who is so obnoxious and arrogant deserves this sort of ridicule.

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RE: Give it a rest..
by JoeSchmoe on Tue 4th Apr 2006 15:15 UTC in reply to "Give it a rest.."
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2006-03-29

"emailing Tuttle officials 800+ times, plus calling, leaving voicemails, yada yada.. While the initial story was amusing, the response makes the open source community look very unprofessional irregardless of if it was warranted or not."

Oh, give it a rest.

*I* am part of the OSS community, whatever that means, and *I* didn't call him...It doesn't say ANYTHING about this supposed OSS community more than Muslims burning buildings over a cartoon.

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The funny part....
by kaiwai on Tue 4th Apr 2006 04:44 UTC
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2005-07-06

A person who claims to have had 22 years of IT experience, unable to use the simplist of tools, Google, to find out what CentOS is.

So lets recap this, the US has a moron in the white house, GM the car company who is going bust, but that doesn't stop them from spending billions on IT, and there is a moron is some hick town where donkey's dig for daylight who think that CentOS is a virus!

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Would be good
by Barry on Tue 4th Apr 2006 04:56 UTC
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2006-01-03

if it happens again and Hughes refuses to assist in any way. Just let Taylor make an idiot of himself.

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Oh, just a follow up...
by kaiwai on Tue 4th Apr 2006 04:57 UTC
kaiwai
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2005-07-06

If all the village idiots got together, and formed a village themselves, Jerry Taylor would be the idiot for that village of idiots!

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Like the song says...
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Tue 4th Apr 2006 16:16 UTC
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Member since:
2005-12-23

!!!

Well, what can be said...?

Like the song says...

This guy is just an American idiot.

I bet he thinks he did the right think, and that he's giving a good image of his country!

Don't ever go to his town, if you go to the USA in holidays. I he catch you spitting in the street, he will call the FBI, and they will send you to Guantanamo!

!!!

Edited 2006-04-04 16:25

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