SkyOS has seen improvements in its rendering engine. "The main difference is that the window content is now buffered. The drawing operations don't draw on the screen anymore, but they draw into a application window private layer." This has some advantages, in the area of speed, special effects, and the fact that applications can now access each other's window contents.
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Safari cant open the page "http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/508" because it can't find the server "skyos.org".
Opera: You tried to access the address http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/508, which is currently unavailable. Please make sure that the Web address (URL) is correctly spelled and punctuated, then try reloading the page.
Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at skyos.org.
Someone should have buffered their web server. 
Here's the google cache if you also cant reach the site:
http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:LzgFuqr5kU0J:www.skyos.org/~*~@...
edit: doh, and of course as I click submit it finally opens in a browser for me. 
Edited 2006-04-03 17:56
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Thom, this is really good news...but wow, you are fast...
This has just now been posted on the home page ! 
Anyway, work on the rendering engine is a good thing because many people judge an OS by looks first
(this is especially true for SkyOS, with it's awesome bargain of getting SkyOS 5 Final and more than 2 years of Beta builds for the ridiculous amount of 30$)
A few people have been complaining about margins, skins, etc...this might mzkr them change their mind about SkyOS.
Lakedaemon
ps : OSes are like women...you start looking at the outside before admiring the inside...
Edited 2006-04-03 18:08
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Well, I still don't believe that project like SkyOS can succeed without releasing sources under some kind of free license. It is a shame that they can't see that neither Zeta or SkyOS, even though they are both interesting projects, won't change anything on OS scene.
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Why should someone who has put hard work and thought into something go off and release it for free? That's not how you make a buck. He has every right to keep the source closed. It's his product, after all.
Oh, and Windows, Solaris, and Mac OS were quite successful, even before the companies started opening up with some source here and there. So much for your theory. ;-)
RE: No code, no success :P
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RE[2]: No code, no success :P
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SkyOS rocks! The $30 for access to every beta plus a copy of the final release when it comes out is well worth it. I'm pretty sure you can get in for free if you apply as a developer wishing to port something to SkyOS.
But linux is very poor example of this. Its horribly organized, crash prone (and no, its not the hardware, as I built this machine myself with quality very common OS neutral parts. For anyone to say an OS crashes alot because you have cheap hardware is a HUGE cop-out of the worst kind, and is in denial about the REAL problem with the software
Stable releases of Gentoo Linux don't crash on me. Sometimes I can make it crash by using unstable alpha versions of system software (kind of like copying DLLs from an unstable build of Vista into XP - risky), and once I got a bad stick of ram (that caused problems with both Linux and Windows). That's how far I have to go to make it crash.
Frankly I don't see how a decent distro could be crashing on you unless you did something to make it crash.
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I don't know if he was modded down for his views on linux, or for his amazingly filthy mouth and aggressive and antaganistic comments, though I believe it was the latter. I don't believe it takes such appalling behaviour to make a point, but then again, I'm Canadian. :-)
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Most patrons of this site seem to have the policy of: You have your right to an opinion, as long as it doesnt contradict ours.
Computrius, get real. His use of profanities was unacceptable. I don't care what kind of opinion was expressed: I saw the profanities and set its score to -5. The guy is lucky I did not remove the post altogether.
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@Thom, do you remove posts on a regular basis then? Is the board censored at your whim? Spam I can see, profanities... maybe. Opinions I sure hope not!
If you're so distrustful, read the comments from -5 up. That way you can see that the comments modded down are invariably full of profanity or utterly off-topic.
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I realize it probably has something to do with that, but Its not just that post.. I see it over and over again, with reletively innocent posts that just basically say they dont like linux, that are modded down for seemingly no other reason than that. This is why only admins should have a say in what gets modded down, and "votes" should not be given to visitors. Look at my post for example.. No profanity there, what happened other than that people just didnt like what I have to say.
RE: No code, no success :P
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This is just ridiculous. I've been working on writing Pong in C/SDL for months now, and it's barely playable, and here's Robert adding awesome features to SkyOS virtually overnight. Indexfeeder, Mono, Transparency in the last, what, few months? What in the world will he add next?
Mad props to Robert. Awesome work.
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If this was USENET you could set up a score file in your local newsreader to remove all of the licensing claptrap in the threads you wanted to read. Or in all threads.
Sometimes older messaging technologies like nntp ARE better than these fancy (but functionally limited) web-based discussion areas.
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it's a seperate OS. It just happens to be highly POSIX complient which makes it easy to port all kinds of software. This is why you may notice some software that is mostly known from the Linux scene.
I already tested this tranceparency and I must say that it looks pretty good. Even transparent videos and videos behind transparent windows run fine with software rendering and in vmware.
Good job Robert.
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I checked skyos.org for a roadmap to 1.0 or whatever the "released" version will be and found none.
Why is the skyos team adding "new" features all the time instead of releasing a stable version to buy/work with ?
I like all the features they put into the OS, but some day the have to release it! don't they ?
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This is a common misconception. What was going to be 5.0 has instead turned into a ground up rewrite of the whole OS, so we're not "adding" new features, we're building the OS.
Now, if I had to venture a guess I'd say a general public release could happen later this year. That's just a guess though.
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On the switch to offscreen bit maps, lots of plusses, but 1 minus surely, every window now needs a 32b ? pixmap as large as its bounds rect. For most small windows not much of a problem, but what happens if you load up say 50 full color images and they all fit half the monitor, that might add up to quite some megs of ram. On a 32b 1600.1200 monitor that would be 4MBytes per half screen size window. Anyway it helps normal use but will hurt use where too many windows are up or will limit the no of such windows.
Curious if SkyOS stores jpegs after expansion or decoded on the fly say through the clip region.
Also I would add that the vast majority of pixels in most windows (except the content regions) are usually from a limited pallette and really only needs a few bits per pixel, seems a shame to use 32b for everything although it will be faster and simpler to do so.
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I think that the decision between open source and closed source is really very similar to political theory. You can't necessarily prove that democracy is better than socialism, nor can you prove that anarchism is better than the other two, or any other political theory. Instead what usually happens, is there are attributes that each one does better at.
It's all in what you prefer, which is what is so cool about the world of Operating systems, you can do any direction you like, make whatever ethical choice you need to make in order to feel justified in how you use your computer, and, whether or not anyone else feels similar, I love that.
So, in all reality, this is why Open Source/Closed Source flaming will never end, is because neither trumps the other.
In all reality, as long as everyone knows all the possible choices available to an individual, in a non-biased and informative fashion, then there is no need to state one's preference as that would be commiting an "appeal to the people" fallacy.
I apologize for the lengthy comment, I've been wanting to say this for a long time.
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Sky OS looks soooo neat, I bought into the beta program etc.
I have ONE BIG problem though!
Maybe it's me but they seem to be adding tons of cool features, but none of the features are ever complete.
So they are adding UI updates but none of the new features they just added to the latest beta seem to be complete. (Meaning there are a lot of bugs and they don't seem to be focusing on getting a release canadate out etc)
I understand that they have like 5 people in the whole company, but it seems that there is a lot of braging about new features then I try them and they don't work worth a darn. (But the features are there)
Maybe I am over reacting, but that is my take.
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I can assure you that everything you see (for example in this video) is real. Every beta tester can confirm that.
http://www.skyos.org/media/videos/mediastation/presentation.html
There are no free download links since it is a closed beta program, but in the future, some kind of liveCD should be available to give people the opportunity to try SkyOS.
You also don't pay for an unfinished product but for the final product plus all intermediate releases untill the final release.
The closed beta program is just to keep out people that would just download and try but never report back with bugs or problems and thus not contributing to make SkyOS better.