Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 4th Apr 2006 20:33 UTC
Mac OS X Someone who claims to have an NDA with Apple, has revealed the new features MacOS 10.5, Leopard, will have. He claims all these details are already available on other websites, hence he can list them without having to worry. The most interesting bit: Leopard will ask during install if you want to install Vista or Linux on a seperate partition so you can run them simultaneously (a heavy Mac is required). Please note that the authenticity of these words is debatable at best. My take: There have been numerous rumours that Apple is going to add virtualization support to Leopard, so that might be true. And I expect Microsoft to support this. Why? Because of this, and because a Windows install equals money to MS. Whether on a Mac or not.
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Seems like almost total BS to me.
by Anim8me2 on Tue 4th Apr 2006 20:52 UTC
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An NDA is an NDA, it doesn't matter where or how other information is released. You keep your gob shut if you signed one.

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enloop Member since:
2005-11-13

Exactly. If this guy is being honest, then the operative phrase should be "had an NDA".

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Ummm
by zizban on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:06 UTC
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Seems pretty out there. let's see some solid evidence.

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TrashBack
by mOrPhie on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:13 UTC
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He talks about TrashBack. This is an application part of Mac Tools Pro back in the early 90's which could be installed as part of classic Mac OS (not sure which version). Is Apple reusing the name or does this person lost touch with reality? ;)

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The replies tell all...
by Big Al on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:14 UTC
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I think if you read the replies to the original post you'll take everything with a HUGE grain of salt. I think the list is pretty bogus - just things the poster put together based on current speculations.

It reminds me of everytime Apple announces a "major event". Everyone has a friend who knows this or that and they're never accurate.

I'm pretty sure that virtualization will be here for OS X sooner rather than later but not as a part of the standard OS and not with the requirements from the linked post.

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Debunked
by Tyr. on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:15 UTC
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They've already done a pretty good job debunking this on the forum where it was posted. Here's a clue on just how "out there" it is :

13. An across the board speed increase of 35 - 40%. YMMV.

Yeah right.

17. Airport (Extreme only) will notify you via the airport icon flashing in the menu bar if your signal is being hijacked or used by anyone other than you authorized.

Um, ok. I guess the pixies will tell you when someone is spoofing your MAC.

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Interesting notes...here is my take
by mouth on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:19 UTC
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Interesting notes here, but I don't know if I'll bite. Here is my take, assuming all comments are true:

6. Hooks are built-in to support an Apple PDA, but I can say no more.

iSync updated? I remember hearing about an Apple PDA (not the Newton) that Apple had worked on, but later canceled at the later stages of development. I wonder if this has anything to do with this.

11. Mail, Address Book, iCal, iSight, and iChat will become one integrated application, much like Entourage (but better).

I prefer the separate apps, much like Firefox and Thunderbird over Mozilla. If written well, these apps could interoperate well, without the need for them all to be launched concurrently.

14. Font, Printer, and User Preference (.plist) repair routines are built-in and are schedulable.

Finally! Although I do not mind using plutil or Onyx, but having something for all these built in is going to be great.

16. When Repairing Permissions, the “We are using special permissions…” will no longer be displayed. Finally!

I thought this was fixed in the 10.4.6 system update released yesterday (Monday). Am I missing something here?

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Hmmmm
by segedunum on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:22 UTC
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Dual or triple booting other systems is not totally plausible to me at all. I doubt whether Apple would ever want a user to contaminate their Mac with Windows or Linux. It sounds like a horrendous support burden waiting to go wrong as well.

Why bother? They can always run Linux or Windows in a virtual machine anyway. Intel hardware will have much more full support for virtualisation through VT, so the virtualisation rumours sound OK to me. The option in the installer for Linux or Windows sounds like BS given that people could easily do that without shafting their system.

Thom's rumours of virtualisation seem about the most believable to me, and there's nothing about virtualisation in this guy's post!

Hooks are built-in to support an Apple PDA, but I can say no more.

Mmmmmm. All nice and tantalisingly vague, teasing us with one of those super secret, behind-closed-doors devices that get rumours flying like a swarm of locusts. Mention that it's by Apple, home of the iPod, and you can feel that hype rising. And then people get Origami, or it turns out to be a total non-event like Apple's mobile phone :-).

I think you only need to read the comments as well to judge that this wiffs a bit.

Edited 2006-04-04 21:23

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don't believe it for a minute
by thebackwash on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:24 UTC
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i'm calling shenanigans on this one. Some of these are very possible features, but they are also very predictable features, as they are extensions of present features, or just no-brainers. (The disappearance of sherlock, for example.) On the other hand, the dock with magic bouncy sound, safari color tabs, little terminal bubbles that say, "'rm -rf /'? don't do that!," it's just all garbage.

Oh, here are some facts and probing questions, by the way, in relation to the numbers in the article:

1. Classic already doesn't support any os lower than 9.1, and Apple highly recommends upgrading to 9.2.2.

4. How can you say that safari will be 37% faster, as so many new features are under development, with more than a year to be optimized?

8. Do you even know what the "Finder" does? The "Finder" does not display remote connections. The "Finder" is a file manager.

The rest of the points in the article show a real ignorance of how MacOS X works. I'd doubt this guy ever even touched a mac in his life. Shenanigans, that's what I say.

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tastytaste Member since:
2005-07-08

"Shenanigans? You mean that place with all the shit on the walls?" lol

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dr_gonzo Member since:
2005-07-06

"Littering and.... Littering and...."

Heh. That film's an all time classic!

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RE: don't believe it for a minute
by godawful on Wed 5th Apr 2006 01:19 UTC in reply to "don't believe it for a minute"
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not to mention no classic support on intel macs.. which.. when leopard ships.. will be every mac being sold (most likely)

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Blah....
by blixel on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:43 UTC
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During the Leopard install, you are given the option to create specific partitioning to accommodate MS Vista...

I'm no fan of Microsoft, but these "MS" (Microsloth, Microshaft, Money$oft, etc...) remarks are getting so tired. If you can't resist the urge to insert your own childish remarks in an article, could you please at least exercise some kind of originality?

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RE: Blah....
by mouth on Tue 4th Apr 2006 22:27 UTC in reply to "Blah...."
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What is wrong with the correct Microsoft abbreviation (MS)? When I used Microsoft's version of DOS, it wasn't commonly referred to as Microsoft DOS, but rather MS-DOS.

Sure, the other Microsoft slang may seem childish, but the commonly accepted Microsoft abbreviation "MS" still seems perfectly acceptable, and without insult.

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RE[2]: Blah....
by eMagius on Wed 5th Apr 2006 00:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Blah...."
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2005-07-06

The poster was referrin to the dollar-sign. OSnews automatically replaces M-dollar-sign with MS, hence the post appears a little weird.

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FAKE!!! FAKE!!!
by JustAnotherMacUser on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:43 UTC
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2006-01-08

April fools joke that's still fooling people apparantly.

Notice the date of the post.

http://macdailynews.com/index.php?URL=http://forums.macnn.com%2...

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RE: FAKE!!! FAKE!!!
by JustAnotherMacUser on Tue 4th Apr 2006 21:44 UTC in reply to "FAKE!!! FAKE!!!"
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2006-01-08

Try this link instead, sorry.

http://forums.macnn.com/showthread.php?t=291048

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Sigh....
by BWhaler on Tue 4th Apr 2006 22:04 UTC
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2005-07-06

This is so painfully fake and made-up, it's not even funny.

Honestly, any Apple watcher could debunk 80% of this, but it is so unoriginal and obvious, it's not even worth it.

What may be worth discussing is why OSNews picks up stories--sorry, anonymous comments posting--at all.

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RE: Sigh....
by Thom_Holwerda on Tue 4th Apr 2006 22:09 UTC in reply to "Sigh...."
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What may be worth discussing is why OSNews picks up stories--sorry, anonymous comments posting--at all.

Because the post gives a good overview of every rumours that's been posted to this day about Leopard (which we did not report on). So, discuss the stuff the guy talks about-- they're interesting points of discussion.

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A Heavy Mac?
by llanitedave on Tue 4th Apr 2006 22:24 UTC
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How much does a "heavy Mac" weigh?

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Windows support...
by someone on Tue 4th Apr 2006 22:31 UTC
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I don't think Apple is interested in supporting Windows officially on Macintels, especially since dual-booting with XP is already possible with third party hacks. Also, you can already partition your harddrive with Disk Utility and it runs from the installation DVD.

As for virtualization support, I think that's more of an enterprise feature and it might be availalble on OS X server. MS will probably continue to provide VirtualPC, but they have to compete with VMware this time.

I don't think Apple will waste their efforts on combining the bundled PIM applications into 1 app. Addressbook, Mail, iChat and iCal are already well integrated with each other.

Spotlight will be improved, but I don't think it will be completely rewritten.

Rumour #9 mentioned the lack of the "special permission prompt", which is rather ironic, since it's already fixed in 10.4.6.

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For verified rumours, we have this: http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=1593

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What about...
by bigmarlin on Wed 5th Apr 2006 00:47 UTC
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He missed some important ones that we **know** are coming...

What about Quartz 2D Extreme? No, not Quartz 2D or Quartz Extreme, but the one that draws virtually all text, vector graphics and widgets using the GPU.

What about the fully scalable, resolution independent UI?

Hmm...

Edited 2006-04-05 00:50

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Aha! Windows' Virtualization is...
by negativity on Wed 5th Apr 2006 01:27 UTC
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2006-02-23

Windows' Virtualization is a try to keep Windows' stranglehold on PC manufactures, because in this day and age they need to pay Microsoft's tax even if they don't ship the PC with Windows, right? At least that's what we hear. Now with Virtualization, Microsoft can say that "you can install Linux by Windows, or MacOSX by Windows, so you just keep paying our taxes for every shipped PC, even if you wouldn't want to load Windows on them."

Great Job Microsoft!

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don't integrate apps!
by Brad on Wed 5th Apr 2006 01:44 UTC
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Who knows if there is any substance to this. But I seriously hope the integration of mail with other apps is BS.

Apps are best when specialized into nice simple apps. I don't want to have to use mail, or fire mail up to get an address and so forth. Let people decide what they want to use and run.

Thats were apple keeps messing up things. They integrate things and thus make a bad product, like iPhoto, it's 3 apps, an organizer, and editor, and a viewer. Because to edit a photo you have to subject your file to the organizer the whole app is destroyed. I don't want stuff organizing my files, I just want to edit a photo. Split it into 3 apps, and 1 of them I will use. Keep it as 1 app and I will use non of it.

This doesn't mean don't let them work will together. They should work well together, nearly seamless. Just not completely stuck together.

Apple messed up Aperture the same way by forcing a library/orginizer on people.

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RE: don't integrate apps!
by someone on Wed 5th Apr 2006 03:12 UTC in reply to "don't integrate apps!"
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They integrate things and thus make a bad product, like iPhoto, it's 3 apps, an organizer, and editor, and a viewer

iPhoto is a photo organizer. Editing and viewing are its secondary functions. iPhoto provides basic editing capabilities, so that you can avoid firing up photoshop just to rotate a picture. Viewing, on the other hand, is an essential component of an organizer (everyone expects thumbnails, slideshows etc. from an organizer).

Apple messed up Aperture the same way by forcing a library/orginizer on people.

Aperture is mainly used to streamline a photographer's digital workflow. While it does have more editing functions compared to iPhoto, they are basic adjustments. For heavy lifting, you need to export to photoshop. Aperture is mainly used for its versioning and tagging functions.

Edited 2006-04-05 03:14

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2005-07-06

I think Leopard install would also have an anti-virus as an option Virex 8.0, since Apple's transition to Intel is almost over. I guess I am to late for April Fool's jokes, I can try.

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Details coming
by tertiary_adjunct on Wed 5th Apr 2006 02:40 UTC
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The guy claims that the details will be made public at the WWDC in June

The problem is, is that the WWDC is taking place in August this year:

http://developer.apple.com/wwdc/

That is how you know this is a fake

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My List
by PowerMacX on Wed 5th Apr 2006 05:48 UTC
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*sigh* I can make up more plausible Leopard features in my sleep. Many of this are half-present in Tiger or 99% confirmed:

1. Resolution-independent interface
2. Quartz 2D extreme (every GUI item drawn on the GPU, not just drawn by the CPU on a texture)
3. All-new Finder (Apple posted job openings for "Finder engineers" several months ago)
4. Icon "stacks" that group icons by date or some other attribute (like in Apple's Aperture)
5. A "tagging" system (it is an obvious extension of Spotlight's current capabilities - Can currently be done by adding keywords to each file's comments, but it is unintuitive to say the least)

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DRM
by marcof on Wed 5th Apr 2006 05:57 UTC
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True or not, no mention at all about DRM implementation.
The DRM chip isn't in the intel macs for nothing, I bet Leopard will make much more intensive use of this, which, to be honest, sucks major popcicles.

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NeXT / OS X Services
by tyrione on Wed 5th Apr 2006 06:44 UTC
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Relax on the App integration suites. The point of Cocoa Services is to avoid such monolithic structures and to make portions of one's app accessible to other applications without the need for a heavy memory footprint.

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April foolin'
by paperfrog on Wed 5th Apr 2006 07:55 UTC
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Clearly an April Fools joke. But I winced heavily at the idea of a skinnable Safari and integrated productivity apps. We'd like faster Macs, not slower.

I wouldn't mind if Apple dropped Sherlock in 10.5, though. In fact, I might not even notice until 10.6 or 10.7 ...

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VT support
by davisable on Wed 5th Apr 2006 08:01 UTC
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I'd have believed this a bit more if he didn't say the bit about Leopard asking if you want to install Vista or Linux via VT.

Do you really think Apple is going to have VT support for an OS that isn't even out yet? Not to mention one that has over the top system requirements (if you want the full "Aero" experience)?

If he said Windows XP, it may have been a bit more credible.

Edited 2006-04-05 08:04

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Re: Windows Support:
by MysterMask on Wed 5th Apr 2006 13:11 UTC
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Have a look at Boot Camp

http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/

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