Parallels Brings Virtualization to the Intel Mac
Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 6th Apr 2006 15:45 UTC, submitted by Alessandro Perilli
Mac OS X Parallels beats big shots Microsoft and VMWare in being the first to offer a virtualization solution for Intel Macs. "Parallels announced today that it is beginning beta testing for Parallels Workstation 2.1 for Mac OS X, the first virtualization software that gives Apple users the ability to simultaneously run Windows, Linux or any other operating system and their applications alongside Mac OS X on an Intel-powered Apple computer." Some users complained about Apple's Boot Camp, which is merely an elegant form of dual-booting, and actually wanted virtualization.
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Neat.
by jamesrdorn on Thu 6th Apr 2006 15:52 UTC
jamesrdorn
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2005-07-27

Wonder what this changes for apple & their possible implamentation of this in 10.5

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RE: Neat.
by Kroc on Thu 6th Apr 2006 15:58 UTC in reply to "Neat."
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Nothing, Apple's implementation should be more elegant, built in, and integrated with OSX (if they do include virtualization). Heck, I'm hoping for headless integration, but that's asking a bit too much.

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v As soon as I get my new iMac
by bobjohnsonmilw on Thu 6th Apr 2006 15:56 UTC
RE: As soon as I get my new iMac
by Tom K on Thu 6th Apr 2006 16:02 UTC in reply to "As soon as I get my new iMac"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

What makes you think that you'll be able to run OS X in a VM?

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bobjohnsonmilw Member since:
2006-04-06

lol, geekiness! You're right though, it might not.

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RenatoRam Member since:
2005-11-14

If he has a PPC mac that's pretty trivial (search for MacOnLinux).

If he has a mactel well... I don't expect VMWare will take very long to support OSX :-)

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RE: As soon as I get my new iMac
by glarepate on Thu 6th Apr 2006 19:15 UTC in reply to "As soon as I get my new iMac"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Linux [is Poo] appears to have a point. OS X isn't listed as a supported hosted OS. FreeBSD is though, so it's not that big a stretch to think that Darwin or X for Intel would work in virtualization even if it requires some work or workaround(s) to get it running acceptably. But there is no official support for it now.

Since OS X is a supported primary OS you may find it easier (and more practical) to start with it to host other OSes first and then try your plan once OS X [presumably] becomes a supported hosted OS.

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qemu
by spikeb on Thu 6th Apr 2006 16:19 UTC
spikeb
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2006-01-18

was first.

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RE: qemu
by Kelson on Thu 6th Apr 2006 16:24 UTC in reply to "qemu"
Kelson Member since:
2005-07-06

qemu still does not have working virtualization

- Kelson

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RE[2]: qemu
by Wes Felter on Thu 6th Apr 2006 16:30 UTC in reply to "RE: qemu"
Wes Felter Member since:
2005-11-15

Indeed. I think all will become clear when native vs. Parallels vs. Q benchmarks come out.

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Awesome!
by vondur on Thu 6th Apr 2006 16:34 UTC
vondur
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2005-07-07

I will try this as soon as I get home. This is exactly what I wanted, I hate dual booting. Now I can have windows, fedora core and mac os x on the same machine. Sweeet.

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RE: Awesome!
by glarepate on Thu 6th Apr 2006 19:21 UTC in reply to "Awesome!"
glarepate Member since:
2006-01-04

Let us know your results if you are wiling to do so. It will be interesting to hear from someone we can interact with as opposed to a canned report from a source that can't be queried.

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Simply Amazing.
by Caspian on Thu 6th Apr 2006 16:54 UTC
Caspian
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2006-01-01

In the last few weeks, amazing things have happened to Macintosh. Instead of just catering to what they want, now they are catering to what people want. Now we have vitalization, and I think hell just dropped a few degrees when windows was officially supported by mac. And then got even colder when they threw bios support in with it all.

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Graphics capabilities
by GrapeGraphics on Thu 6th Apr 2006 17:55 UTC
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2005-07-07

What about openGL? ActiveX ect.

How would it work with a CAD app like AutoCAD pr IronCAD? What about modelers like Rhino?

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tried qemu and parallels
by nivenh on Thu 6th Apr 2006 18:05 UTC
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2005-07-06

i've got both up and running, and qemu doesn't hold a candle to parallels VM. its SOOOO much faster. i don't have any benchmarks of course, however even just running through the Xp install on each, its painfully obvious. Once at the desktop, there's absolutely no question.

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RE: tried qemu and parallels
by fye. on Thu 6th Apr 2006 18:48 UTC in reply to "tried qemu and parallels"
fye. Member since:
2005-08-23

How long did it take for you to install Windows on Parallels? I guess mine is kinda stuck at the device installation stage.

Edited 2006-04-06 18:48

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RE[2]: tried qemu and parallels
by nivenh on Thu 6th Apr 2006 20:49 UTC in reply to "RE: tried qemu and parallels"
nivenh Member since:
2005-07-06

How long did it take for you to install Windows on Parallels? I guess mine is kinda stuck at the device installation stage.

it took about 25-30 minutes i believe. QEMU took several hours on my Intel mac, and VPC on a 1.67ghz PowerPC mac took close to two hours if i recall correctly.

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RE[3]: tried qemu and parallels
by fye. on Thu 6th Apr 2006 21:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: tried qemu and parallels"
fye. Member since:
2005-08-23

Thanks for the reply. I have closed the app after almost two hours of inactivity of the progress bar. I am going to try again tomorrow.

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RE: tried qemu and parallels
by spikeb on Thu 6th Apr 2006 19:09 UTC in reply to "tried qemu and parallels"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

qemu doesn't run software, it walks it. it's that slow.

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RE: tried qemu and parallels
by anshar on Thu 6th Apr 2006 21:09 UTC in reply to "tried qemu and parallels"
anshar Member since:
2006-01-26

This illustrate the difference between emulation (QEMU) and virtualization (Parallels)...

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Surprise, surprise...
by Quoth_the_Raven on Thu 6th Apr 2006 19:27 UTC
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2005-11-15

"Some users complained about Apple's Boot Camp, which is merely an elegant form of dual-booting, and actually wanted virtualization."

Some users will complain about anything.

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Memory in dual channel mode
by xserve on Sun 16th Apr 2006 06:08 UTC
xserve
Member since:
2005-07-06

there's no benefit to enabling dual channel mode on the MacBook Pro.

I'm surprised, I thought it will double my ram speed if I install ram in matched pairs.

:(

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