Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 18th Apr 2006 17:43 UTC, submitted by Tom H.
Microsoft " Let's start with Vista. Fine, so it got delayed by a few months. No big deal. If people can wait for a year, they can definitely wait for a few more months. But with Vista, Microsoft is definitely taking a big leap forward. Right about now, all you Mac fans are clamoring to be heard claiming that Mac OS had all these features for years. True. But with 2-3 percent marketshare in the desktop area, I really don't think Microsoft is all that worried about the Macintosh platform. And with Vista, most Mac enthusiasts wouldn't be able to point fingers at Windows users about how sleek (appearance and functionality) their OS looks, because Vista definitely looks comparable. I agree it feels quite raw, but it's still in Beta, so I'm willing to give Microsoft the benefit of the doubt here."
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Oh boy
by sappyvcv on Tue 18th Apr 2006 18:07 UTC
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2005-07-06

Well first the article won't load.

Even so, I can tell by the title and summary that this certainly won't end well.

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RE: Oh boy
by Unkemptwolf on Tue 18th Apr 2006 18:37 UTC in reply to "Oh boy"
Unkemptwolf Member since:
2006-04-06

Well first the article won't load.

The posting of the article has been delayed a few months. ;)

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RE[2]: Oh boy
by Pseudo Cyborg on Tue 18th Apr 2006 19:01 UTC in reply to "RE: Oh boy"
Pseudo Cyborg Member since:
2005-07-09

ROFLMAO

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And ... ?
by Sabon on Tue 18th Apr 2006 18:25 UTC
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2005-07-06

And ... ? By the time Vista comes out the next version of OS X will be out not that long after with more updates. Considering the glacial updates of Windows (no matter what the name), Microsoft will be far behind again.

Not that it really matters to me. Windows that is.

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Ugh
by abeyance on Tue 18th Apr 2006 18:32 UTC
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2006-04-18

I'm not sure what's worse: the troll article or the mac zealots who fall for this tripe.

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Wow.
by Pseudo Cyborg on Tue 18th Apr 2006 19:02 UTC
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2005-07-09

I'm neither troll nor zealot, but man this "article" reads like Microsoft paid a lot of money for it.

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RE: Wow.
by smitty_one_each on Tue 18th Apr 2006 19:05 UTC in reply to "Wow."
smitty_one_each Member since:
2005-07-07

Concur. Author puts the 'S' in sycophant and the 'O' in obsequious. One could become diabetic reading this outburst of sucrose.

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RE: Wow.
by elektrik on Tue 18th Apr 2006 20:00 UTC in reply to "Wow."
elektrik Member since:
2006-04-18

Probably so...Found this info on the following website about the author (http://www.getafreelancer.com/projects/Copywriting-Translation/Data...)
"Hi, My name is Varun Dubey, I have been in a similar line for the past few years and have been writing for the top technology magazines in India. I was working with them as a Technology Analyst. I now write for an online U.S based website called www.cooltechzone.com. I have reviewed cameras, cell phones, you name it. Writing for this website has given me incredible insight into the consumers psyche and purchase habits which helps me in writing content that alleviates their fears/questions/queries about the product. Not only do I possess outstanding writing and communication skills, but I also have extensive industry contacts to add insider info to your website. I have seen that insider info always pulls in tremendous traffic. I will work for you for $3000/month "

Here's his profile on that website BTW: http://www.getafreelancer.com/users/115582.html

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RE[2]: Wow.
by Pseudo Cyborg on Tue 18th Apr 2006 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow."
Pseudo Cyborg Member since:
2005-07-09

LOL Good to know.

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RE[2]: Wow.
by ma_d on Tue 18th Apr 2006 21:35 UTC in reply to "RE: Wow."
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

I hate to ad hominem but this part of his profile is quite humorous:
Excellent written english. As good as native.
have been writing Technology and related products based articles for top IT magazines.
Obsessive desire for accuracy.


His english is by far sub par but the best part there is that on one line he fails to consistently capitalize the first word of each sentence/item on his list and then says he has an "obsessive desire for accuracy."
I'm sure he threw that together in five minutes, but he obviously wasn't very obsessive about this profile...

The profile must be old because his article today shows a much better understanding of english.

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RE[3]: Wow.
by elektrik on Wed 19th Apr 2006 07:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Wow."
elektrik Member since:
2006-04-18

Alas, I wish it were so, but his submission for the particular job mentioned in the URL was submitted in November, a mere 5 months ago

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Bahhh!
by Governa on Tue 18th Apr 2006 19:10 UTC
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2006-04-09

"all you Mac fans are clamoring to be heard claiming that Mac OS had all these features for years. True." End of discussion. Why do I bother posting? bahh...

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vistaware
by eantoranz on Tue 18th Apr 2006 19:18 UTC
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2005-12-18

"Fine, so it got delayed by a few months".... sure... it's been what by now? 40 months? quite remarcable. Whenever you see software delayed so much, it's Vistaware. This article sounds much like port25 stuff. :-D

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RMSe17
Member since:
2006-03-06

I am sorry, but I think MacOS X looks terrible. I think WinXP default look is terrible as well (reminds me of a MacOS X). I think it was an error to change the look from MacOS 9 and from Win2000 or even NT.

Now, everything looks too round and colorful, and I am sure if I was 4 years old, and thought that large round bright shapes were the coolest things in the universe, I would like the looks of the "modern" OS's. It's like watching Barney all over again. I wonder who does their marketing department...

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MikeGA Member since:
2005-07-22

Hmm, I've always felt the whole colour aspect was rather well done in OS X. For the most part the interface is shades of grey and white, with the colour placing emphasis where it should - on the controls that one is supposed to manipulate.

On the other hand, I find XP's scheme of simply plastering colour where the designers felt there was some kind of "gap" to be much more garish.

Oh, and "The Silence Before the Storm?" Yup, Microsoft have sure been quiet about their upcoming products, I'm glad that "journalist" has me informed now.

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Yogurth Member since:
2005-07-20

For me personally only good looking OS is Ubuntu 6, and I'm not a Linux user.


I find both Vista and OsX unbearable to look at..XP too. Both suffer from bubliness, colourfulness, joy, candy....both are inconsistent in appearance...etc.

I need sleek looking OS, and neither OSX nor Vista are sleek, both have bloat like appearance like KDE in Linux world.

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vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

"I need sleek looking OS, and neither OSX nor Vista are sleek, both have bloat like appearance like KDE in Linux world."

Uh yeah, except KDE is more configurable than any other DE. You can make it look as dull and as spartan as you like. It gives you that versatility.

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unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

For me personally only good looking OS is Ubuntu 6, and I'm not a Linux user.

Yes, Gnome 2.14 looks very nice. I havn't tested Ubuntu 6 yet, but FC5 also using Gnome 2.14 is one of my best desktop experiences I ever had. Beagle and the new deskbar Applet really makes you feel like you have your information at your fingertips.

By the time Vista hits the market we will be using Linux distros built on Gnome 2.16 and probly be reading about all the new cool stuff that will ship with, the by then soon to be released, Gnome 2.18.

Some distros will probably also have some new 3D stuff included by then, so Linux will look at least as cool as Vista. Even if all these 3D things probably not will enhance the productivity much, they will certainly help to draw attention to Linux on trade shows.

On the KDE front, KDE4 will be near completion, if not complete allready. GPLed QT4 will make it easier to port high quality free software to windows, thereby lowering the barrier for switching to an entirely free environment.

This might very well be the silence before the storm, only the storm, may come from other places than Redmond.

The main advantage Microsoft have to fight it are the large number of applications available for the windows platform, but even here there is problem on the horizon highly interactive AJAX based web applications gets better and better and players like Google will do their best to get them onto your webtop.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

If there's one thing Mac does right is it's GUI. I'm sorry but it seems to be one of the most well thought out user experience of any OS. They also don't market it like crazy.

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Gosh!
by elektrik on Tue 18th Apr 2006 19:54 UTC
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2006-04-18

This HAS to happen because we *all* know everything you read on the internet is true!

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Microsoft: The Silence Before Storm?
by protagonist on Tue 18th Apr 2006 20:45 UTC
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2005-07-06

Ah yes, but having heard all of this with the release of WIN95, WIN98, ME and XP it gets a little harder to believe the hype. I admit that with each release, with the exception of ME, the OS has been improved, but that is like saying it is an improvement to lose only one finger instead of two to the axe. While it is better, neither choice is a particularly good one.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

MS has > 90% of market share.
What other proofs do you need?

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objectivity
by raxrat on Tue 18th Apr 2006 21:15 UTC
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2006-01-05

"so [Vista] got delayed by a few months"

I think it's more like 3 years.

"But with 2-3 percent marketshare in the desktop area"

Are you saying you prefer a monopoly situation? In 7th grade economics I learned that a monopoly is bad for consumers because it stifles creativity and incentive for improving the product. Have you even thought about the fact that if Apple dissapeared tomorrow you would be running windowsXP for the next 5 years? You should be glad there is a higher bar out there to aspire to, never mind the market share. Keep using windows if it suits your needs, but don't forget where the innovation is happening right now.

"because Vista definitely looks comparable"

It's not about just looks. Yes, on the surface Vista looks nice but it's still largely legacy windows code that's getting a makeover. One thing OS X has going for it is that it's unix-based. You may not care, but I run several X11 programs that are critical for my job as well as plenty of other computational programs in the unix terminal that are not available for windows/DOS. And then I can run MS Office or Adobe Photoshop right along side.

Lastly, while I agree that Vista is finally managing to catch up to OS X in many ways (hardware accelerated desktop composition, desktop search, gadgets, integrated mail and calendar applications, and crude iPhoto and iMovie knockoffs), I do think OS X 10.5 Leopard will likely have quite a bit of functionality that is again a step up from Tiger and Vista technologies. The virtualization in 10.5 we've been hearing about is a major strength just by itself.

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RE: objectivity
by dsmogor on Wed 19th Apr 2006 12:15 UTC in reply to "objectivity"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Actually interopeability and price (compared to OSS) are the only virtues that MS is not able to compete on.
MS will have virtualization to. Windows will be able to run ... another windows ;)

Linux (companies), Sun, Apple and every other non MS digital information related company (like Sony) should strongly cooperate to:
1. break in MS closed protocol world
2. promote easy (by default) and robust interoperability among each other, based on open standards

Instead they (CE people) promote MS DRM to fight Apple. Very wise.

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DigitalAxis
Member since:
2005-08-28

I seem to recall when... I think it was the "new" Alt-Tab? Or the Searchlight-like thing in Longhorn/Vista? was demoed, a lot of people were annoyed that Microsoft was claiming it was new, when Apple had introduced it in their latest release already...

Anyway, the Microsoft response was something about having legitimized the idea by announcing it a while before. I'm not saying Microsoft stole whatever idea it was (not that I even remember), but I take offense at the idea that a function isn't "legitimate" unless Windows has it.

"RiscOS has antialiased fonts!"
"Who cares about antialiased fonts? Windows doesn't have them."
...
"Windows has antialiased fonts now! These are the greatest. Oh, and I still don't need RiscOS, because I have antialiased fonts in Windows."
"We STILL have had all that stuff since 1990"
"I STILL don't care."

Personally, I would be/AM frustrated that Microsoft (and Apple) can get away with introducing great new features to entice buyers, that already exist in other places. Tunnel vision... but the obvious answer is that what REALLY matters is that Microsoft Windows Vista is MICROSOFT WINDOWS Vista.

Mac enthusiasts won't be able to point fingers at Windows Vista NOT because it now contains all the cool stuff they've had for years, but because it's Windows. Which is unfair. That's probably Monopoly power in action.

Stupid, but it seems to happen... I guess either people aren't motivated by technology, or Commodore did an absolutely terrible job marketing the Amiga. (for instance) I'm sure someone more familiar with the Amiga could tell you more, but my impression is that by 1987, it had features equivalent to Windows 95. That thing was way ahead of its time but in the end nobody* cared.

*almost

Edited 2006-04-19 01:11

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A Commercial Ad
by hraq on Wed 19th Apr 2006 05:06 UTC
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2005-07-06

I would prefer the flash commercial ad on this page rather than the content of this article!

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Awesome
by Soulbender on Wed 19th Apr 2006 09:19 UTC
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2005-08-18

Another sub-standards cooltechzone article. Do all "news" sites have some agreement to link to eachothers news, no matter how shitty the site or article?

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Hmmm
by michaelveale on Wed 19th Apr 2006 10:39 UTC
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2005-07-29

"Till then, all you companies competing against Microsoft pull up your socks and work doubly hard."
Pity no one told Microsoft that 5 years ago.

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please no
by sandorfal on Wed 19th Apr 2006 11:31 UTC
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2006-02-22

why publish an article like this one ?
If this continues, i'll send my OSNews link to the trashcan... This makes once more.

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Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

"MS has > 90% of market share."
And that's good because...?
"What other proofs do you need?"
Proof of what? That it's popular?

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aGNUstic Member since:
2005-07-28

I find it ironic the Chinese government stopped off to meet William Gates before Bub Bush. I despise one-party political systems and one-software computer systems.

Seriously, I wonder how many human beings will be shot in Communist China for violating MS "property" rights and the cost of the bullet sent to the victims family.

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sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Awesome job. Speculation based on nothing substantial will win you lots of friends.

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