Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 20th Apr 2006 18:52 UTC, submitted by SEJeff
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu "The Ubuntu team is proud to present the beta release of Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake). With Ubuntu 6.06 Beta comes loads of bug fixes, a new look-and-feel, a new live-CD installer, GNOME 2.14.1, and much more." You can download it as both live-CD and install CD, and as always, available for x86, x86-64, and PowerPC.
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upgrade from breezy
by brother bloat on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:24 UTC
brother bloat
Member since:
2005-07-06

to upgrade from breezy:

gksudo "update-manager -d"

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RE: upgrade from breezy
by brother bloat on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:15 UTC in reply to "upgrade from breezy"
brother bloat Member since:
2005-07-06

by the way, just wanted to let interested parties know that this broke my breezy install. ubuntu "automatic updated" have never worked on my system, although i somehow thought this would be different.

rrr. now i have to reinstall...

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RE[2]: upgrade from breezy
by voidlogic on Fri 21st Apr 2006 03:06 UTC in reply to "RE: upgrade from breezy"
voidlogic Member since:
2005-09-03

huh, it worked for me... so yes, it does work for some people. It worked for a friend of mine as well. Perhaps you made some custom modification and forgot to remove it before running the upgrade? To bad about the re-install, I hope you backed up.

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RE[2]: upgrade from breezy
by brother bloat on Fri 21st Apr 2006 13:49 UTC in reply to "RE: upgrade from breezy"
brother bloat Member since:
2005-07-06

Sorry to be a troll, but I find it ridiculous to have been modded down simply for warning people about what happened on my system.

The fact is, I find Ubuntu to be a great distribution, and have continued to use it since Warty was released. However, their current upgrade process has some severe bugs (which may or may not be specific to my own personal system) which cause it to ruin the existing installation.

For potential upgraders, this means you may want to try the current Live cd, but that you might want to wait to upgrade if you've have problems upgrading through apt in the past.

For new users thinking about switching to Ubuntu, I highly recommend this polished desktop experience. You may want to stick with Breezy until the final Dapper version is released if you need an extremely stable OS.

Rather than modding my comments down because they don't confirm your illusions that Ubuntu is already perfect, why not accept that there is room for improvement in all software, including Linux distributions?

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RE: upgrade from breezy
by nzjrs on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:58 UTC in reply to "upgrade from breezy"
nzjrs Member since:
2006-01-02

The ability to dist-upgrade to dapper from breezy was just recenlty switched on. It comes with a large warning

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-April/017264.htm...

Personally I would not go through with it - YET. The ubuntu testing team is interested in the /var/log/dist-upgrade.log files. You do not have to actually go through with the upgrade to provide them with this info (you can back out at the last step).

If you want to make the dist upgrade process works for everyone please help the ubuntu devs test this feature by supplying your log files. I repeat you can back out at the last step before the upgrade and the log files are still useful.

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RE: upgrade from breezy
by kill on Fri 21st Apr 2006 07:32 UTC in reply to "upgrade from breezy"
kill Member since:
2005-11-03

Ready to leave your computer while this is processing. Trust me, it'll be a good while (hours) when this finishes. And after that, it freaks up your K3B install. Btw, don't believe the progress % indicator. It lies. ;)

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IDE Enumeration
by mklencke on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:27 UTC
mklencke
Member since:
2005-09-16

Does anyone else have trouble when using multiple IDE controllers? The enumeration is backwards then (see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/grub-installer/+bug/636... ). That is, for example, hdg is suddenly hda and the other way around.

This bug doesn't seem to get much attention so I was just wondering if there are other people here experiencing the problem.

Reply Score: 1

Temcat
Member since:
2005-10-18

Subject. I have this feeling that Dapper will be released without it...

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SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

You need to install the codecs for it. If you install all of the codecs from the multiverse repository, you will have perfectly working *non-encrypted* dvd playback with 0 problems.

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Bending Unit Member since:
2005-07-06

I really doubt that. I've had nothing but problems when trying to watch video with gstreamer so far.

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pecisk Member since:
2005-10-20

For real expierence with videos on Ubuntu Dabber you should do this:
1) First, enable multiverse and universe repositories from your System => Administration => Software Properties, seek Ubuntu 6.06 ('Dapper Drake') entry, select it and choose 'Edit' from buttons at the left. Enable 'multiverse' and 'universe' checkboxes and be done;
2) Choose System => Administration => Syntapic Package Manager
3) Get Update button presed for up-to-date package info from repositories. Then install such packages:
* gstreamer-plugins-bad-0.10 (do search 'gst plugins bad' and enable for install 0.10 version of plugins);
* the same above goes for gstreamer-plugins-ugly-0.10 (search 'gst plugins ugly');
* and finally, install gstreamer-ffmpeg-0.10

4) After that, you should be able to play DVDs, Quicktime movies, WMA movies, Divx (lot of different types, including with AC3 sound and in future, wait for surround sound for multiple channel soundcards), etc.

For Divx I can claim that it works in par with Mplayer (yeah, finally I can drop it), seeking works like charm, sync works very reliable...In summary, it works. For me.

If there is gliches or problems, *please* proceed to www.launchpad.net and fill bugs. There are very good bug masters who will verify your bug, will try find dublicates and if it will be geniue, bug will be forwarded upstream.

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Temcat Member since:
2005-10-18

Well what I meant was gstreamer-dvd plugin. Last I heard it still wasn't ported to v. 0.10 of gstreamer.

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pecisk Member since:
2005-10-20

It is ported to 0.10 _and_ it is not seperate install, it is in gstreamer-plugins-ugly package.

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SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

Follow the instructions from pecisk's excellent reply to your comment. Make sure that you have the gst*-multiverse packages installed as those are the ones that play things like dvds, mp3s, and divx.

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Ubuntu is great
by jjmckay on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:49 UTC
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Member since:
2005-11-11

I've been using it since December and have enjoyed it as a secondary OS. What makes Ubuntu even better for me is the community tweaking pages like this one:

http://linuxhelp.blogspot.com/2005/12/essential-house-keeping-in-ub...

Without pages like that I might not have gotten mplayer working and many other important apps.

Reply Score: 5

ehm
by superstoned on Thu 20th Apr 2006 19:56 UTC
superstoned
Member since:
2005-07-07

kubuntu beta has been released also:
http://kubuntu.org/announcements/dapper-beta.php

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unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

As always, this new Ubunto seam to look great.

I only wish they had added the new gnome deskbar applet/beagle by default. It really makes your information and applications easy to find.

I have tested it in FC5 and I really feel that it takes the Linux desktop to a new level, leaving windows XP in the dust. I guess that windows users will get the same experience once WinFS is released.

I havn't run this new release yet, so I don't know if you can apt-get beagle and the deskbar applet, but if you can, I higly recommend installing it.

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gentlemanfinn Member since:
2006-02-19

I never understood this.
What is so smart about beagle?
At what taskts do you use it?
Does it get your work done faster?

Please explain this to me, I know it's a bit off topic, but I would really like to know.

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tristan Member since:
2006-02-01

Beagle is a desktop search system, along the lines of Spotlight in OS X or Google Desktop Search for Windows.

It allows you to quickly search within your files, IM conversations, e-mails etc to find exactly what you want. It's also (in Ubuntu at least) integrated into the file manager, so that you can put together "virtual folders" (actually called Saved Searches) pulling together all the files which are returned from a particular source.

It really is very useful when you get used to it.

Also, AFAIK Beagle is not included by default as the Mono dependencies will not fit on the CD.

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SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

It finds your files quick and anything inside them, indexes bookmarks, webpages and much more. Finding things on Linux has never been so easy and it's just a s good as spotlight. Also nautilus and deskbar have beagle intergration, very fast searching and finding files in seconds.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Just too bad it loses it's memory after a few days, is unstable in regard to large indexing (try indexing 120 GB of data ;)

It's pretty primitive compared with indexing in SkyOS and Haiku/BeOS. But as far as it goes, it's okay.

I still find the standard search tool in Gnome much better, but it's probably only a matter of time before Beagle becomes mature in terms of functionality.

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dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Could you elaborate why those altos' tools are more advanced? (no catch, just curious).

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unoengborg Member since:
2005-07-06

There is nothing smart about Beagle, other than that it works well.

Beagle is a search engine for your computer. It makes it easier to find your documents. It indexes your files dynamically and makes it possible to find e-mails, webpages you visited, as well as plain old documents at lightning speed. In other words, it will fills the same software niche as WinFS will do in Vista some day, and that Sherlock currently do in MacOS-X.

As we keep more and more information on our computers, search systems becomes more and more important. Before applications Beagle it was easier to find a document on the internet than in our own home libraries.

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John Nilsson Member since:
2005-07-06

it will fills the same software niche as WinFS will do in Vista some day

Doesn't WinFS go further? Placing it more in the same niche as Gnome Storage?[1]

[1] http://www.gnome.org/~seth/storage/

Reply Score: 1

dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Maybe the only "smarts" are pluggable document parsers that know how to extract data in human readable matter (keyword + context) like in case of google.

Reply Score: 1

Multimedia support
by Celerate on Thu 20th Apr 2006 20:17 UTC
Celerate
Member since:
2005-06-29

Can I assume EasyUbuntu is available for this release as well, or will the old version still work?

Reply Score: 1

RE: Multimedia support
by dusanyu on Thu 20th Apr 2006 20:23 UTC in reply to "Multimedia support"
dusanyu Member since:
2006-01-21

Easy Ubuntu does not work Howerver their is a script caled BUMPS that will get Multimedia roleing for you. http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=138889&highlight=BUMPS

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JoeSchmoe
Member since:
2006-03-29

It's TOO good. Jesus H Christ.

I booted the live cd of Kubuntu and I nearly wept. Finally, I have the ultimate Debian distro, muhahahahahaha...

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Innova Member since:
2005-09-30

[quote]
I booted the live cd of Kubuntu and I nearly wept. Finally, I have the ultimate Debian distro, muhahahahahaha...
[/quote]

I believe that would be Debian. . .

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John Blink Member since:
2005-10-11

What was so good about it.

Honestly.

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Innova Member since:
2005-09-30

[quote]
What was so good about it.
[/quote]

I don't think past tense is appropriate for describing Debian.

(K)Ubuntu is *not* the "ultimate" Debian system. It is a *good* system. But, debian pure is it. I think my humour was lost on you...but all I was stating is that Debian proper is the "Ultimate" debian system.

Ubuntu may be a terrific Debian -based- system, that can be debated. I think Libranet had an edge over Ubuntu. Was fully Debian compatible. With Ubuntu, I believe you are restricted in your choice of repositories as the Debian pure ones can break your install. Not the most debian compatible thing IMHO. I don't know for sure. I tried Ubuntu Hoary - but went back to Debian sid a day later.

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lord_rob Member since:
2005-08-06

Improvements made in (k)ubuntu go back into debian, so perfect ;)

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RE: upgrade from breezy
by _DoubleThink_ on Thu 20th Apr 2006 20:43 UTC
_DoubleThink_
Member since:
2006-02-15

to upgrade from breezy:

gksudo "update-manager -d"


one question: is there a convenient way for upgrading other Linux distros from release A to release (A+1) or is this a new feature in Ubuntu (i.e. is there a similiarly easy way for upgrading from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 5 ?)?

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RE[2]: upgrade from breezy
by somebody on Thu 20th Apr 2006 20:55 UTC in reply to "RE: upgrade from breezy"
somebody Member since:
2005-07-07

is there a similiarly easy way for upgrading from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 5

google "upgrade fedora yum"???

First link already explaining in details
http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upgrading_Red_Hat_Linux_with_yum.h...

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RE[2]: upgrade from breezy
by SEJeff on Thu 20th Apr 2006 20:57 UTC in reply to "RE: upgrade from breezy"
SEJeff Member since:
2005-11-05

(i.e. is there a similiarly easy way for upgrading from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 5 ?)

In fedora, yes there is.

rpm -Uvh http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/core/5/i386/os/F... RPMS/fedora-release-5-5.noarch.rpm
yum -y update

After waiting for ages and the yum update completes, you will be in fc5. I migrated from Ubuntu away from Fedora about a year or so ago and haven't looked back since.

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RE[3]: upgrade from breezy
by Celerate on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: upgrade from breezy"
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

"After waiting for ages and the yum update completes"

+1 just for that, I'm trying FC5 right now and Yum seems to update it's sources every time it starts which for me today has taken up to two and a half hours. That's a long time to wait for pirut to get to a point where I can start choosing packages.

I have to say I have never experienced such a long wait period on a package manager before, and if I'm going to keep this distro someone better patch that quickly.

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RE[4]: upgrade from breezy
by arctic on Fri 21st Apr 2006 14:53 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: upgrade from breezy"
arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

If you want to disable the auto-syncing of mirrors, run
yum -C <command>

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RE[2]: upgrade from breezy
by smitty on Thu 20th Apr 2006 22:38 UTC in reply to "RE: upgrade from breezy"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

one question: is there a convenient way for upgrading other Linux distros from release A to release (A+1) or is this a new feature in Ubuntu (i.e. is there a similiarly easy way for upgrading from Fedora Core 4 to Fedora Core 5 ?)?

This isn't new at all - it's been in Debian, and all Debian-based systems (which include Ubuntu) for a long time. Of course, Gentoo systems don't have a version at all, so they don't have this problem.

RPM based systems like Fedora, SUSE, RH, Mandriva, etc. traditionally have not been able to update like this, but recently a lot of people have been working on porting apt or creating similar software for them. I think pretty much every distro now has some form of this, although many of them are "unofficial" and might break things. Fedora's yum is supported, though, IIRC.

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RE[3]: upgrade from breezy
by arctic on Fri 21st Apr 2006 14:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: upgrade from breezy"
arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

Hmm... myself and others have perfectly upgraded Fedora and/or Mandriva to their latest releases, so your statement about rpm distros being unable to do an upgrade cleanly is not really true.

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Changes from Flight 6?
by Wrawrat on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:04 UTC
Wrawrat
Member since:
2005-06-30

Did they added some features that weren't in Flight 6 or the beta is exactly Flight 6 with more stability?

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RE: Changes from Flight 6?
by Cass on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:58 UTC in reply to "Changes from Flight 6?"
Cass Member since:
2006-03-17

Didnt see a changelog but today when i updated i had 22 pkgs change ... sounds like there is more in it to me. Heh, plus when gnome starts you get the new splash "ubuntu dapper beta", well worth the upgrade just for that ;-)

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Ubuntu goodness
by pclapham on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:05 UTC
pclapham
Member since:
2006-04-13

Very slick. I believe that it will be really ready for prime time when the configuration tools are at the same functionality as YAST (in regards to the amount of configuration tools), but look and feel like they are part of the OS. YAST looks and feels like a stop gap which was hacked together.

Being able to configure the system is where Ubuntu can shine.

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RE: Ubuntu goodness
by dsmogor on Fri 21st Apr 2006 06:15 UTC in reply to "Ubuntu goodness"
dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

IMO that their policy is to have as much thigs as possible configured autmagically and thus eliminate need for elaborated configuration tools. That may clash with consumer desktop diversity but they are heading corporate anyway.

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RE[2]: Ubuntu goodness
by pecisk on Fri 21st Apr 2006 08:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Ubuntu goodness"
pecisk Member since:
2005-10-20

Actually such policy was for Debian too. In fact, Debian tools and packaging is so good that I had to configure specially some MTA or Apache very rarerly. So this is the same policy, well, yes, they don't ask for any configuration while apt-get upgrade or dist-grade, it is just difference.

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As always, don't forget the liveCD
by kiddo on Thu 20th Apr 2006 21:24 UTC
kiddo
Member since:
2005-07-23

I can't stress this enough! If you guys feel like helping out, try installing from the Live CD instead of the "old" install. Then, report any bugs (if you can find them) in http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+filebug

It's fast, it's sleek, and I have been waiting for this graphical installer since Warty ;)

P.s.: IF I am not mistaken, the live cd should be the new default installer, that would allow shipping both ubuntu and kubuntu via shipit. I'm not sure about that though.

Reply Score: 2

Upgrading a Debian based distribution....
by leech on Thu 20th Apr 2006 23:32 UTC
leech
Member since:
2006-01-10

I've been running debian based distributions for years now. Going from one release to the next is easy enough, but what I do to have the least problems is to first change the repository to the one you want to use (i.e. from Breezy to Dapper) then open up Synaptic and click the reload button.

Then go through and first update the packages that you think will not break things. Also when you double click on a package, it will come up and say whether it will remove or install a new one. Keep track of what it says, if it's going to remove something, then cancel and try to up date the next package. Unless it's something where it is removing libgtk1 and installing libgtk1.1 (as an example).

Once you've done this a few times, you'll learn which ones will remove everything and which ones won't.

Eventually you'll get to the packages like X.org, which can possibly break things, but just make sure they are all properly installed BEFORE you reboot.

Leech

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It's still beta...
by da_Chicken on Fri 21st Apr 2006 00:45 UTC
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2006-01-01

Just finished dist-upgrading from breezy to dapper. Only one application (Grisbi) failed to upgrade because of broken dependencies. But gnome-panel keeps crashing when I try to add plugins and half of the menu items miss text in Gnome, so it's obvious that the Finnish translation for dapper is not ready yet. Maybe I shouldn't have upgraded, it's still beta quality. So far I haven't experienced any problems with Xubuntu, though. Xubuntu dapper offers a very nice Xfce desktop.

Some people have talked about dapper booting faster than breezy. I don't notice any change in that respect.

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Desktop CD
by Nathan on Fri 21st Apr 2006 00:54 UTC
Nathan
Member since:
2006-01-10

While the summary mentions it, to me its not entirely clear so its worth stating explicitly:

This release has a "Desktop CD" which can act as both a LiveCD and an installer.

Now I can just give out the one CD for people to try, and they can easily install Ubuntu if they like it. I think that's fantastic.

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Scream of desperation.
by dsmogor on Fri 21st Apr 2006 06:23 UTC
dsmogor
Member since:
2005-09-01

Guys. Pleeeaasse drop the aged, primitive and slow Sys V5 init architecture. There are many modern alternatives around that will make booting process a charm, not a painfull (for both user and HDD) wait.

I had to seriousely screw my drake to make boot times bearable.
Please, guys Linux desktop is really able to boot fast!

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Complete and utter crap on an iBook
by Tom K on Fri 21st Apr 2006 06:58 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

So out of curiosity to see where one of the "best" Linux distros is in relation to OS X, I grabbed the PowerPC live version of this and tried it out on my iBook G4 12". I'm thoroughly disappointed.

- No wireless. The Networks panel finds a wireless card. I configured my wireless info manually (why no AP browser?). I activated the interface. It sat there for about a minute, and then the "Activating ..." dialog disappeared. All is well, I thought. Wrong. There was simply no connectivity.

- Bad UI design for the above -- why didn't I get an error?

- Ugly screen painting. Dragging windows around was nasty. They left "erased" graphics underneath themselves, which were promptly re-painted. This is ugly. It feels like something from 1993.

- Extremely aliased lines -- especially around the curves of the title bar. This looks extremely cheesy. There need to be some smooth, anti-aliased curves here.

- Touchpad almost completely unusable. Dragging my finger along the entire length of the touchpad quickly resulted in the pointer moving about an inch on the screen. I went to the Mouse panel and dragged both motion-related sliders to their highest settings. Didn't make any difference.

- Font rendering was extremely unattractive, even given the "knowledge" that Ubuntu has on the hardware it was running on. It should have enabled some sub-pixel hinting to at least mask the ugly typeface -- does Ubuntu even do SPH?

Overall, the standards have been set extremely high by OS X. This still feels like it's about 4-5 years behind. And before anyone pipes up about this being a beta ...

I had the exact same problems/complaints with the last *production* release of Ubuntu.

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pecisk Member since:
2005-10-20

You have some right and some wrong spots in your complains:

* Agree, Yep, Wireless support in GUI level only now is starting to get mimped up, there are no wireless network browsing for GNOME System tools, only for NM, which, I think, should be more integrated with them because of that;

* Agree, this had been and still is most serious problem. Some people claims that it is GTK+ architecture to blame, I don't think so - just some optimisiations is necessary. However, on good modern PC/laptop with accelerated graphics it is bearable.

* Have no such problem with Nvidia - propably because it has most up to date Cairo support (or better - libsvgr have very good support for Nvidia). Anti aliased lines are very smooth and pleasure to watch;

* Seems like bug which can be fixed. Please proceed to www.launchpad.net to fill bug about it;

* Font rendering is actually not issue of code, but patents. OS X has very good antialiased fonts because of Apple patents. It has been very big issue for very long time. However, I have no problems with fonts on my PC;

It is not 4-5 years behind, maybe 3 years. but my pick is 2 years... OS X had very speed problems before 10.4 and only 10.4 release brought it to speed which we enjoy now.

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Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

> Agree, this had been and still is most serious problem. Some people claims that it is GTK+ architecture to blame, I don't think so - just some optimisiations is necessary. However, on good modern PC/laptop with accelerated graphics it is bearable.

My iBook has a 1.33 GHz G4, and a Radeon 9550 with 32 MB of dedicated DDR. I'd say that's pretty modern, with great accelerated graphics for a laptop.

Yet screen painting is still extremely unattractive and slow.

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JMcCarthy Member since:
2005-08-12

"This still feels like it's about 4-5 years behind."

About three years, when talking standard X and issues like screen painting, etc. Whenever Quartz Compositor was released.

Dad never had a problem with wireless on his laptop.

Looks like Poobuntu hates Macs. I couldn't even get the stupid thing to run at all on the Mini. Came close one time.

Edited 2006-04-21 20:12

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tristan Member since:
2006-02-01

Right, well let's ignore the flamebait subject line, and see if we can sort these problems.

The network dialogue is substandard, but I guess is was decided that it was not worth working on as NetworkManager is clearly where things are heading in the future. In fact, I was surprised to see that NM wasn't included in the beta. It's easy enough to install though, just enter

sudo apt-get install network-manager-gnome

into a terminal. This gives a much better user experience, which autodetection, WPA support, etc.

I haven't heard of the screen redraw issue before. It may be a driver thing -- have you tried installing the ATI FireGL drivers? This can be done by entering

sudo apt-get install frglx-control

at the command promt. You may also have to run another command to enable the driver, I'm not sure though as I don't own an ATI card.

I can honestly say I hadn't ever looked at those rounded corners for long enough to notice the aliasing. And while I can see it now, I not sure it's all that serious, or "cheesy". On the plus side, if that's one of the top 6 problems with Ubuntu on an iBook, I think they're doing pretty well.

I've used Ubuntu on a laptop, and the trackpad doesn't do as you say. This sounds like a bug that needs reporting. Have you done so?

As other posters have mentioned, the "proper" hinting process for TrueType and OpenType fonts is patented by Apple (in the US at least), and they refuse to allow Free software organisations to use these patents. Therefore the library that draws fonts onscreen has to "guess" how to do it. Luckily, it's pretty easy to switch on the correct behaviour: just enter

sudo dpgk-reconfigure fontconfig

at the command prompt and change the setting in the first question to "native". This will allow you to switch on sub-pixel smoothing as well. Oh, and you did go to Preferences -> Fonts and change the setting there to sub-pixel as well, didn't you?

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RE: Ubuntu is great
by theine on Fri 21st Apr 2006 07:48 UTC
theine
Member since:
2005-09-29

From the article linked in your post:

This is desirable because I found that the default installation of Ubuntu leaves the system wide open.

This statement utterly wrong. After the default install, there is exactly one open port for cups (631) and the cups server only listens for connections from localhost. That's not what I'd call wide open...

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RE[2]: Ubuntu is great
by pecisk on Fri 21st Apr 2006 07:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Ubuntu is great"
pecisk Member since:
2005-10-20

I second you here. Ubuntu has special '0 ports open by default' policy, which already 'disappointed' me when I wanted Avahi guys to enable it by default ;)

But I support this, security should be one of primary targets. Not only because it is Linux, but because of today's landscape of INTERNET.

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Dapper and mac
by qbeek on Fri 21st Apr 2006 08:21 UTC
qbeek
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2005-10-24

Will Dapper support G4 Powerbook wifi card?

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I am using Mepis
by Bonus on Fri 21st Apr 2006 10:55 UTC
Bonus
Member since:
2005-12-23

W'ell Mepis 60. alpha is taking from Dapper and it is working fine.

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Modding down
by AmigaRobbo on Fri 21st Apr 2006 14:21 UTC
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Member since:
2005-11-15

I notice that at least 2 posts where people say that the install has been tricky/disapointing have been modded down.

Now unless people are doing this because they think these people are lying, the only other reason I can think is nasty zeolitry.

Feel free to mod this one down for being off subject.

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RE: Modding down
by arctic on Fri 21st Apr 2006 15:11 UTC in reply to "Modding down"
arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

Hmm... let's see if this one gets modded down, too. lol

Dapper is imho still crap because the developers have not fixed their problem with the the use off ALL:ALL in the Ubuntu sudoers file. That "bug/feature" is there since warty and has not been fixed yet! Think of it, it gives Firefox, p2p-software mail-clients and other stuff root access. And setting up a full root account does not solve the problem either as sudo is too deeply integrated into the mess, much like IE was too deeply integrated into Windows (well, kind of comparable). This is hardly acceptable from a security point of view. I don't know how Ubuntu thinks someone would trust any enterprise stuff to an Ubuntu machine with such a borked sudo, missing firewalls, missing SELinux etc.

If this gets modded down, I'd be surprised as these are undeniable facts.

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RE[2]: Modding down
by theine on Fri 21st Apr 2006 21:35 UTC
theine
Member since:
2005-09-29

Dapper is imho still crap because the developers have not fixed their problem with the the use off ALL:ALL in the Ubuntu sudoers file.

The Mac OS X is crap too as it does the same thing.

That "bug/feature" is there since warty and has not been fixed yet!

It's not a bug!

Think of it, it gives Firefox, p2p-software mail-clients and other stuff root access.

You can run any application with root privileges if you want, whether you use sudo or not.

And setting up a full root account does not solve the problem either as sudo is too deeply integrated into the mess

No it isn't, it's actually trivial too remove, just comment out a few lines in /etc/sudoers.

If this gets modded down, I'd be surprised as these are undeniable facts.

I haven't seen more deniable facts in a long time actually. (I for one didn't mod you down by the way.)

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RE[3]: Modding down
by arctic on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 09:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Modding down"
arctic Member since:
2006-04-19

The Mac OS X is crap too as it does the same thing.

Did I deny that?

You can run any application with root privileges if you want, whether you use sudo or not.

Yes, but root is hidden from the normal users by default, the sudo setting in Ubuntu is not hidden by default. If you fail to see the difference, then I can't do anything about it.

No it isn't, it's actually trivial too remove, just comment out a few lines in /etc/sudoers.

It ain't that simple. I tried to set up complete root settings in 4.10, 5.04, 5.10 and everytime, the system was broken afterwards. There was no 100% fix for this, not for me, not for dozens of others who came from Debian to Ubuntu and ditched it because of this problem again. Unless you can prove me wrong. ;)

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RE[4]: Modding down
by theine on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 10:16 UTC
theine
Member since:
2005-09-29

Yes, but root is hidden from the normal users by default, the sudo setting in Ubuntu is not hidden by default. If you fail to see the difference, then I can't do anything about it.

What exactly do you mean by hidden? On Debian, members of the wheel group can do "su", and on Ubuntu, members of the admin group can do "sudo". In that sense, I indeed fail to see the difference.

It ain't that simple. I tried to set up complete root settings in 4.10, 5.04, 5.10 and everytime, the system was broken afterwards.

Well, what can I tell you? You just didn't do it correctly, which is surprising as it is really not that hard.

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