Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 16:51 UTC, submitted by cenuij
SuSE, openSUSE The latest release candidate for SUSE Linux OSS 10.1, RC2, has been released. "I'm glad to announce SUSE Linux 10.1 Codename 'Agama Lizard' RC2. We have fixed the majority of bugs from RC1 and will release an RC3 next week. During the RC phase, we only provide delta ISOs of the media and update the factory tree as well."
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Getting Closer
by RGCook on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 17:24 UTC
RGCook
Member since:
2005-07-12

We've all witnessed the inordinate number of betas SUSE 10.1 has been through and I think I understand the logic given its extremely rapid development pace. However, I don't quite understand the Release Candidate strategy. To my way of thinking, a release "candidate" is something that would not have any known bugs because it is a, well, a candidate for release. So why not just continue the beta's until we have a real release candidate, i.e., with no known major bugs, so that folks like me who have been so patient and careful not to be tempted to hose my work machine (again) can try it out?

This is a question not a complaint!

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RE: Getting Closer
by Anonymous Penguin on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 20:54 UTC in reply to "Getting Closer"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

One possible explanation could be that starting from RC1 SUSE 10.1 is reasonably stable (in my experience), while up to beta9 it had tons of bugs.
But then maybe the meaning of alpha, beta and RC have been redifined in this case.

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RE: Getting Closer
by kwanbis on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 05:40 UTC in reply to "Getting Closer"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

cause if it had no bugs, it where final. Realease candidate means that, that is candidate for final release, unless there are some more bugs/problems, in that case another release canidate can be released.

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RE[2]: Getting Closer
by Angel on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 05:52 UTC in reply to "RE: Getting Closer"
Angel Member since:
2005-07-07

What the above poster is saying is that a Release Candidate should indeed have NO KNOWN BUGS. The SUSE team are doing their releases very oddly, it seems to me these release candidates have just been more betas, they just jumped to call them RCs becuase people were already talking about the huge quantity of beta releases, I'm not complaining either, I am all for rigorous testing but their way of doing their releases is getting a little annoying.

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RE[3]: Getting Closer
by thebluesgnr on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 06:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Getting Closer"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

What the above poster is saying is that a Release Candidate should indeed have NO KNOWN BUGS.

That's impossible, considering even the final release will have known bugs.

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RE[4]: Getting Closer
by Angel on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 07:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Getting Closer"
Angel Member since:
2005-07-07

Not having known bugs is not the same as not having bugs.

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RE[5]: Getting Closer
by elsewhere on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 16:54 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Getting Closer"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

Not having known bugs is not the same as not having bugs.

Precisely. There's absolutely no excuse for a release candidate when you have a core component that is known to still be broken (package management) but with the expectation that it should be fixed in time for final.

If it takes an extra month to get the freaking thing working properly, then take an extra month but do not under any circumstances rush it out the door and rely on updates and patches to get it working down the road.

Other than that, I still think 10.1 is an outstanding release. And judging from what I've seen in the mailing lists, the team has learned some lessons from this one.

I hope Novell has too, since it was predominantly their "influence" that led to breaking feature freeze and stuffing in a brand new and untested core technology into the mix.

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RE[5]: Getting Closer
by thebluesgnr on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 23:13 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Getting Closer"
thebluesgnr Member since:
2005-11-14

The final release will have known and unknown bugs.

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Code a little Test A Lot
by Guppetto on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 17:30 UTC
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2005-07-06

The releases are the result of a wise statement told to every programmer when they first learn to write code. At first it is a pretty insignificant statement, but when you grow up as a developer you'll learn to live by it for better or worst.

"Code a little, Test a lot"

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Internet Install
by pailhead on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 18:02 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

I'm actaully trying to do an internet install of RC1 and then upgrade to RC2. I can't seem to find any info on installing it over the internet. Can ayone help? I need to know a correct directory structure, I get a 404 on the one I'm using...

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RE: Internet Install
by Anonymous Penguin on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 21:04 UTC in reply to "Internet Install"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

This directory works fine in my experience:

ftp://ftp4.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/apt/SuSE/10.1-i386

But then I have never tried a SUSE FTP install.

How about downloading CD1, performing a minimal install, and then with apt and/or smart upgrading and installing everything else?

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RE[2]: Internet Install
by gary1979 on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 21:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Internet Install"
gary1979 Member since:
2006-01-31

What comes with a minimal install? Also, I thought apt was no longer supported by SUSE (or is that Red Hat?). That sounds much better than downloading all those CD's. I recently installed SUSE 10.0, and I am quite impressed. As a Debian fan, I think I may have found my new OS of choice (maybe).

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RE[3]: Internet Install
by Anonymous Penguin on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 21:35 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Internet Install"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

Apt is still there, but Smart seems to work better (Smart uses the apt repos, but it needs to be configured)

As to what you get if you install with just CD1, I am having trouble finding more info. I know for sure that with CDs 1-3 you can install a KDE or Gnome based system (or both), because that is what I did.
I'll have a go myself and I'll report a bit later.

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RE[3]: Internet Install
by Anonymous Penguin on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 22:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Internet Install"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

So there are 2 kinds of minimal installs: graphical and not. I tried the first one. It comes with FVWM (ugh!) and alas it needs 90 MB of CD2. It is reasonable to assume that the non graphical one needs only 1 CD.

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New Release Date?
by gary1979 on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 21:05 UTC
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2006-01-31

The openSUSE roadmap (http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap) does not mention a RC3, which is in the above announcement. The roadmap also lists 25 April as the intended release date. Anybody heard anything about the revised release date?

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RE: New Release Date?
by Dark_Knight on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 22:03 UTC in reply to "New Release Date?"
Dark_Knight Member since:
2005-07-10

Gary,

You're correct in the release date for the final release of SUSE Linux 10.1. As per the OpenSUSE.org developer roadmap URL http://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap there is no mention of any RC 3.0 due to the final version is going to be released on or shortly after 04/25/06.

Edited 2006-04-22 22:05

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Two install questions
by mmebane on Sat 22nd Apr 2006 21:39 UTC
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Member since:
2005-07-06

1) Is there any way to download the RC1 ISOs and apply the deltas in Windows?

OR

2) Is it possible to pause and resume an internet install?

Basically, I want to install it on my laptop in Parallels in Windows. I tried the internet install, but when I suspended the VM yesterday and restarted it today, it didn't pick up again.

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upgrading
by Rapsey on Sun 23rd Apr 2006 17:07 UTC
Rapsey
Member since:
2005-08-08

how do you upgrade from 10.0?

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