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agreed, one of the first things i do with any fresh installl is to grab the tango icons from art.gnome.org. the coverage of this icon set is great, it replaces almost every icon in the default install

Yes, a brilliant idea, except several other distros had it first (Mepis, PCLinuxOS, I think one of the BSD-based distros, and lately Mandriva with Mandriva One).

I wonder if everytime somebody points out something nice about mandriva, we should all point out where it'a been done before.

With some alpha version that I tried earlier, Espresso froze in the middle of installation but with this beta2 it works OK. However, I didn't like that Espresso doesn't give you the choice to install Grub into Ubuntu's root partition. In fact, Espresso doesn't give you any options where Grub should be installed -- it just puts Grub straight into MBR without asking anything. Espresso overwrote my default bootloader (GAG) in MBR, so I had to reinstall Ubuntu's Grub manually and then reinstall GAG. Grr...

Otherwise I have no complaints. Espresso is easy to use and it's a lot quicker than the Debian-style installer.

When did last time you see news/reviews about other distro on OSN?

Two posts down their is a post about suse linux.

I'm not even going to reply to the rest of your comments.

Anyway very soon ubuntu hype will die just like knoppix, linspire, xandros, fedora, mandrake etc etc..

Mandriva you meant?

Tell me one program/software ubuntu does what XP can't do

After a fresh install XP is quite a lame bird sitting on a tree branch waiting for a nervous breakdown.

Listening to shoutcast servers(and ripping them).apt:Adding (third party) repositories.


But you didn't mean the default install :-)
Well, to get XP on par with for example Ubuntu (quality apps and stuff) you could easily buy a second PC.The bundled apps are most of the time irrelevant or are aging rapidly.

Ubuntu is far more easier to manage.Doesn't need nearly as much maintenance as XP (spyware,defragmenting,broken registry entries,).

Oh i have found some apps,

Tvtime,KDETV,MythTV,KRADIO,Apache,Mysql,K3B,emacs,bash,tcsh,vi.I'm afraid the list is endless.

I bought an pvr350 haupagge tv card recently.
Man the software that came with the card sucked.
Great example of bad memory management.When i let the app seek for channels the screen exept the tv-app froze and that on a AMD64 3000 (2200) and 1 GB DDR 400 and ( hardware) SATA raid0.

Not with tvtime,it's suitable for multitasking,i can burn,download,surf the web,scan for tv channels and rip some choutcast channels all at the same time.

Eh,MythTV can withstand any comparison with XP media edition execpt it's free.

[/i]Don't get me on security.. A zone alarm, AVG, Antivir, adware, spybot, prevex, hostfile lock, port 80 only,(these are free softwares) installed XP is at par with touted linux security.[/i]

Or just play back an ghost:-)
Norton Ghost for linux would be awsome (saves a lot of bandwith).

You could use the DOS version of ghost (I use it to image windows and linux). The only special requirement is you need a vfat partition to save the image to.

Cool!

Wake up, you have to smell Vista and ready to chase it...just 6 months away....

Yep. And I've been running XGL and Compiz for a little more than 2 months. Since for me (and the vast majority of users), Vista is just a facelift with DRM (which I do not want), I am already PAST Vista.

Anyway very soon ubuntu hype will die just like knoppix, linspire, xandros, fedora, mandrake etc etc..
You are entitled to think so.

Tell me one program/software ubuntu does what XP can't do
Compiz, Beagle, Tomboy, Fyre, F-Spot, Specto (giggles). They are all *easily* accessible and kick the living ass out of your beloved windows. Of course I'm being unfair, because windows can't bundle all this out of the box. Ubuntu doesn't either, but it's just a matter of APT-GET. Oh yeah. Ubuntu doesn't have APT.

my 2c : Try PCLINUXOS and you will throw away your ubuntu out of windows...
My 2¢: Try Ubuntu and you will throw away your $DISTRO_NAME out of windows...

Satisfied, troll?

Not to take anything away from PCLinuxOS, which I think is a great little chugger, but it's really only maintained by one person with limited time --but has a fantastic community with stellar, knowledgeable moderators. I like that distro a lot. But I ran into a few particular issues repeatedly; on updates, I kept having hardware issues, and would often end up having to re-install when apps stopped working or my xorg.conf went sideways. And it's been at .92 for quite a while now. The update issues are partly my hardware; it's more a desktop distro than laptop linux. Although in some ways I'd like to see PCLinuxOS take Kubuntu's place, for the laptop, the sound and touchpads either need to come configured or have some decent documentation for how to do it.

That said, I've also tried Ubuntu, and with this latest release I went back to it for my laptop. For this hardware, it's a more stable system. I like both, and think PCLinuxOS may be a bit snappier, but at least in the race for laptop space, Ubuntu's winning out (over a few others tried as well --suse, mepis, fedora, even toyed with pc-bsd and solaris).

it's a matter of taste. personally i think ubuntu 6 is the best looking gnome i've ever seen.

Does anyone else wish that they'd use a more professional and cohesive icon theme?

Not really,i personally think they managed to pack a pretty slick default theme.But hey it's linux,you can alter everything.

I would recommend the gnome-art download tool.More themes and styles than anyone hardly ever needs :-)

It's true the default colour mix is rather questionnable, but the orange icons looks quite nice when combined to a green or blue wallpaper. The standard icons from the Tango project are blue: they wouldn't mix very well with Ubuntu's brown tones...

All in all, it's a question of preference. In my opinion, the standard GNOME icons are rather dull, uninspired and lifeless but that's just me.

hehe, I like trolls like you, priceless.

Wait, Gentoo's dead?
Umm... maybe you mean the HYPE is over. The hype IS less than it once was. GENTOO is fine.

tnx mate!

Install Ubuntu 6.06 Beta 2.
Edit /etc/apt/sources.list, enabling "multiverse".
Run "sudo apt-get update".
Run "sudo apt-get install avidemux".
Done.

So otherwise you're saying it's just as hard in FreeBSD as it is in Ubuntu to get it to compile. An 'apt-get install libgtk2.0-dev' would have fixed the issue of not being able to compile it. Or better yet, as others said, just enable the universe and multiverse repositories in Ubuntu. If you still feel the need to compile it, you can 'apt-get build-dep avidemux' and it'll get all the development libraries that particular program needs to compile. I haven't seen any non-source distribution be able to do that. Debian based distros rule!

Leech

Your idiot level is not Ubuntu's fault.
If you took a few minutes to read the documentation or searched the forums then you'd have found out very quickly that you only needed to enable the extra repositories in synaptic, it's just one click with a mousebutton.

After that it's just: apt-get install avidemux and all requiered dependecies are automaticly downloaded and installed.

You've wasted a lot of hours installing Ubuntu and FreeBSD, and compiling things from source, where you could have been done in about 1 minute maybe even less.

So tell me what's crap, Ubuntu or you? And that's a rhetorical question

$ apt-get install avidemux

Not sudo apt-get install avidemux btw?

Not all packages can be officially included for legal reasons.

You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list as described in that file or you install comfortably with the GUI add/remove apps,it will make a notice that the particular app ( in this case avidemux) is in the multiverse repository.
Furthermore it will ask you wether you want the multiverse repository to be added,it's that simple.

As far as compiling from source is concerned there is a more *fool-proof* procedure.

sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential (needed)
mkdir -p tmptesting && cd tmptesting (make a compile dir)

(make sure you add the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list)

now in order to not get any dependancy errors run the following:sudo apt-get build-dep <application>
All posible dependancies are now met.


fakeroot apt-get source -b <application> will download the source(s) for you and will compile a *.deb for you which you can install with: dpkg -i <app-name>.deb

Oh c'mon, this is GNOME system, but gtk+ is not installed?

Yes the binairy compiled by the package maintainer.But as an dependancy for compiling from source you need to install certain *.dev packages.

After I try to install with apt-get and synaptic with no luck, I gave up.

Had you taken time to spend a few seconds reading the online manual this wouldn't have happened.Than again it's so easy and intuitive to use the aforementioned GUI installer and considering your style of writing i'm tempted to not calling you a troll.

So this is one of proof to the famous "proverb":

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

As all OS's are a device and with any device comes a manual wether you read it or not.

How intuitive and nicely an certain OS's might be.You still have to gain some pre knowledge.In Ubuntu's case very little because it explains itself and is easy to extend yet still linux and thus powerfull.

So is BSD by the way.But your advocacy doesn't do anyone a favour.

Edited 2006-04-29 16:56

$ apt-get install avidemux

Not sudo apt-get install avidemux btw?


su or sudo -s at the beginning


Not all packages can be officially included for legal reasons.


It is true for faac and faad, but not for avidemux.


You can edit /etc/apt/sources.list as described in that file or you install comfortably with the GUI add/remove apps,it will make a notice that the particular app ( in this case avidemux) is in the multiverse repository.
Furthermore it will ask you wether you want the multiverse repository to be added,it's that simple.

As far as compiling from source is concerned there is a more *fool-proof* procedure.

sudo apt-get install fakeroot build-essential (needed)
mkdir -p tmptesting && cd tmptesting (make a compile dir)

(make sure you add the deb-src lines in /etc/apt/sources.list)

now in order to not get any dependancy errors run the following:sudo apt-get build-dep <application>
All posible dependancies are now met.

fakeroot apt-get source -b <application> will download the source(s) for you and will compile a *.deb for you which you can install with: dpkg -i <app-name>.deb



I use Ubuntu 5.1, because there was no Ubuntu 6.0 DVD iso. And I already uncomment all in sources.list: universe, mainverse, src, security, but still no luck.

In FreeBSD, most of the time, I always try to get binary first by issuing "pkg_add -r" command. If the binary package is not available, then I compile the source from ports, just only by issuing "make install clean" in the application port directory. Or if "portupgrade" application is installed, "portinstall" command will do both steps.

I don't understand why people said apt-get is bettern than ports.


Oh c'mon, this is GNOME system, but gtk+ is not installed?

Yes the binairy compiled by the package maintainer.But as an dependancy for compiling from source you need to install certain *.dev packages.


Ok, this one is the thing I forgot about linux, typically there 3 packages for each application, i.e. bin, src and dev. Also for binary, there are a large range of architecture x distro combinations, e.g. i386.rpm, i686.mdk, ppc-ubuntu.deb, etc.



After I try to install with apt-get and synaptic with no luck, I gave up.

Had you taken time to spend a few seconds reading the online manual this wouldn't have happened.Than again it's so easy and intuitive to use the aforementioned GUI installer and considering your style of writing i'm tempted to not calling you a troll.

So this is one of proof to the famous "proverb":

Linux is only free if your time is worthless.

As all OS's are a device and with any device comes a manual wether you read it or not.

How intuitive and nicely an certain OS's might be.You still have to gain some pre knowledge.In Ubuntu's case very little because it explains itself and is easy to extend yet still linux and thus powerfull.

So is BSD by the way.But your advocacy doesn't do anyone a favour.


If for installing an application I have to read all manuals, than Ubuntu is already failed for targeting average home users.

I'm not advocating BSD. For your joy of life, you should use Mac OSX. I give score "almost perfect" for Desktop OS. In short try of Ubuntu and PC-BSD (or actually GNOME and KDE), the feel and touch I experenced was far below Aqua. But for server, of course I will advocate FreeBSD.

I use Ubuntu 5.1, because there was no Ubuntu 6.0 DVD iso. And I already uncomment all in sources.list: universe, mainverse, src, security, but still no luck.

Yes, avidemux is not included with Ubuntu 5.10 but it will be with Ubuntu 6.06. If you want to test the beta version of Ubuntu 6.06, you can point /etc/apt/sources.list in your Ubuntu 5.10 system to "dapper" (instead of "breezy"). Then run "sudo apt-get update" and you'll be able to upgrade your system and install avidemux without reading any more manuals.

However, if you have learned to use FreeBSD's ports, then I'd expect that you already know how to read manuals. ;-) If you prefer a "ports"-like package management that allows you to build your own binaries from source, then take a look at Ubuntu's "apt-build" package (apt-cache show apt-build). For installing GNU C and C++ compilers and "make" in one go, check out the "build-essential" package.

Comparing GNOME & KDE to the Mac desktop is a bit unfair. GNOME & KDE are younger projects developed by volunteers but I'll expect that they will catch up with the proprietary Mac soon enough. Also, please consider that you can order Ubuntu from https://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and it will be shipped to your home free of charge. Now, is that easy or not?

I don't understand why people said apt-get is bettern than ports.

It isn't.

But,there's GUI frontend (synaptic).Needless to say it's bit more user friendly.

If for installing an application I have to read all manuals, than Ubuntu is already failed for targeting average home users.

True.
At least the quick starter guide -:)

For your joy of life, you should use Mac OSX. I give score "almost perfect" for Desktop OS.

I don't know,i have unfortunately never had an opportunity to play around with OSX but i'm saving some money to do so in the nearby future.

But for server, of course I will advocate FreeBSD.

Good choice,whatever gets the job done.I could imagine lot's of people being perfectly happy with running Solaris,Linux too for example on their server(s).

Dear Babi Asu,

To install avidemux from a freshly installed run this at the command line:

1. sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list (enable universe and multiverse repositories by uncommenting the approriate line)

2. sudo apt-get update (to get the latest list of apps from the newly enabled repositoies)

3. sudo apt-get install avidemux (it will say something like:-
"The following extra packages will be installed:
libsmjs1
Recommended packages:
toolame
The following NEW packages will be installed
avidemux libsmjs1
0 upgraded, 2 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2896kB of archives.
After unpacking 7467kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue [Y/n]?"

Enter "Y" and you will have your avidemux installed.


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Usually I would run a full update on my system before installing a new application/package. To do that, after running step 2, do this:

a. sudo apt-get upgrade (for typical upgrades) and then

b. sudo apt-get dist-upgrade (for heavy upgrades such as kernel and etc)

If you still experience any problems, do not hesitate to use the mailing-list, IRC or the forum (http://ubuntuforums.org)