Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 30th Apr 2006 20:52 UTC
Apple When I started this whole Sunday Eve Column thing, I was painfully aware I was basically doing the same thing as a certain other individual who somehow insists on using the first letter of his middle name (maybe because he thinks it makes him look cool?). I believe that person only writes his columns to make money. And that's just sad.
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thanks
by broken_symlink on Sun 30th Apr 2006 22:21 UTC
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i always thought it was the same guy that invented the keymap but now i know.

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RE: thanks
by Beryllium on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:44 UTC in reply to "thanks"
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I second this! Thom, your article had more useful information than Dvorak's ;)

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other way
by TomB7 on Sun 30th Apr 2006 22:25 UTC
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It would be FAR more logical for Redmond to upgrade to OS X, security, performance, and usability-wise, and you KNOW those monopoly freaks will do THAT over their own dead bodies.

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RE: other way
by raver31 on Sun 30th Apr 2006 22:30 UTC in reply to "other way"
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On the contrary, everyone knows that Microsoft uses Linux for its servers.
Go to www.netcraft.com and type microsoft.com into the box on the top left of the screen, the top 300 or so servers at the Microsoft domain are running Linux.

Now, these figures might be skewed for a couple of reasons;

1: Microsoft are using a hosting company who uses Linux, to make its own servers less of a target.
2: Microsoft is running Linux servers for comparisons.
3: Microsoft does not eat its own dog food.

Now, when you see those servers, does Microsoft switching to OS X seem so far fetched ?

hmmmm, yes, yes it does.

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RE[2]: other way
by PlatformAgnostic on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:05 UTC in reply to "RE: other way"
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Ever heard of akamai? Look at the names for those computers... They're obviously akamai machines for delivering content around the world. If you type in "www.microsoft.com" you see that the hits are Windows Server.

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RE[3]: other way
by dylansmrjones on Mon 1st May 2006 00:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: other way"
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So basically Microsoft is using Linux-machines to ease the pressure on their Windows servers ;)

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RE[4]: other way
by jesu on Mon 1st May 2006 09:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: other way"
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Akamai uses load-balancers that are running on Linux. The actual servers run on Windows Server.

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RE[5]: other way
by dylansmrjones on Mon 1st May 2006 11:06 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: other way"
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Nobody is disagreeing.

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RE[2]: other way
by directhex on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:09 UTC in reply to "RE: other way"
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microsoft.com gets an intense amount of traffic - so they use Akamai for caching. Akamai run Linux. Microsoft.com runs Windows Server. Notice "AkamaiGHost" reported as the web server software.

Please, research what you're saying before talking bollocks

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RE[3]: other way
by blahblah on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: other way"
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2006-03-23

To be fair, there was number 1 listed:

1: Microsoft are using a hosting company who uses Linux, to make its own servers less of a target.

So what they said wasn't straight-up bullocks. They are using a linux based solution to the problem of handling high amounts of web traffic. Which is akamai.

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RE: other way
by RGCook on Mon 1st May 2006 01:28 UTC in reply to "other way"
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I withdrew my post. Sorry.

Edited 2006-05-01 01:46

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RE[2]: other way
by rayiner on Mon 1st May 2006 01:36 UTC in reply to "RE: other way"
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2005-07-06

There is nothing inherently wrong, sad or evil about providing a service that folks link to or want to read.

That's like saying there is nothing inherently "wrong, sad, or evil" about prostitution. Yes, its a service the market desires and that some people provide. That doesn't make it any less degrading.

Yes, I'm calling John C. Dvorak a whore. I stopped reading his trash, along with PC Magazine and all the affiliated ZDNet rags years ago. The world would be a better place if they didn't exist...

Edited 2006-05-01 01:39

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RE[3]: other way
by RGCook on Mon 1st May 2006 01:56 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: other way"
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I botched the edit of my post (got sidetracked)and delted it in frustration. It's been a tough week. Even so, if it were to produce the kind of response that you provided, it is better off to be deleted.

To relate technical journalism is a leap of faith. For starters, prostitution is illegal. Do you really think JCD forfeits his pride and reputation just to stir things up with his columns. Quite the contrary, he is, in some ways, larger than the magazine for which he works. Kind of like Bill O'Reilly at Fox News. Sometimes you want to kill him, but you (me at least!) keep going back for more!

Look rayiner, its beneath the standards and values that we OSNews members have to outright degrade or call a person vile names. It weakens a rationale argument that you could otherwise put forth describing why you hate the man. Thom tried to do just that. He didn't say "whore" or "butthead" one time. You gotta give him credit becaus the contempt is in neon lights in between each line he wrote.

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Dvorak and Cringley
by Rugmonster on Sun 30th Apr 2006 22:28 UTC
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You hit the nail on the head. There seem to be two major pundits in the tech world, Dvorak and Cringley. Most of the time, they have very differing views and Cringley, while not always right, is the less abrasive of the two. Dvorak has taken the shock of sensational media and stepped it up about five notches. Cringley on the other hand has some real insight on what is really going on in the tech world. I really have to wonder how much longer people are going to keep getting up in arms over the crap Dvorak continues to spew. Also, when will ZDNet realize how off-base he really is?

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RE: Dvorak and Cringley
by Moochman on Mon 1st May 2006 00:31 UTC in reply to "Dvorak and Cringley"
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There was a time, as I recall until about 1999 or so, when Dvorak was a spot-on kind of guy, and I found his observations and predictions incredibly enlightening. Nowadays I think he really does just try to brew up controversy without putting the effort into backing any of it up.

Edited 2006-05-01 00:32

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hook, line, sinker.
by frank on Sun 30th Apr 2006 22:44 UTC
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Dvorak's posts were obvious trolls. Just like any news about Dell going with AMD. You guys not only bit his lure, but you perpetuated it.... but then, who can blame you, since more visits equals more visits. You get more ad revenue as well, don't you?

So let it be said, new media... meet old media. Make the baby cry for a better picture.

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RE: hook, line, sinker.
by Thom_Holwerda on Sun 30th Apr 2006 22:47 UTC in reply to "hook, line, sinker."
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You get more ad revenue as well, don't you?

We don't. We don't get paid. This is a volunteer site. Other than that, a link to Dvorak won't get us more visitors.

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RE: other way
by Christian Paratschek on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:05 UTC
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> On the contrary, everyone knows that Microsoft uses
> Linux for its servers.

microsoft is not using linux servers. akamai's distribution network uses certain linux-based
appliances and traffic management systems, thus the fingerprint.

regards,
christian

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RE[2]: other way
by dylansmrjones on Mon 1st May 2006 00:16 UTC in reply to "RE: other way"
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Doesn't change the fact that Microsoft is using a Linux-based solution.

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RE[2]: other way
by rayiner on Mon 1st May 2006 01:34 UTC in reply to "RE: other way"
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2005-07-06

"Certain Lnux-based appliances and traffic management systems" is an obtuse way of saying "Akamai's HTTP caching servers run Linux." Yes, Microsoft's website is shielded from excess load by a whole bunch of Linux boxes. Unintentional on the part of Microsoft? Sure. Entertaining? You bet!

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RE[3]: other way
by Adurbe on Mon 1st May 2006 04:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: other way"
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Im suprised they dont turn round to the hosting company, give them a few free licences of windows server and say "use that would you, using linux makes us look bad!"

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RE[4]: other way
by sappyvcv on Mon 1st May 2006 14:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: other way"
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2005-07-06

Why is it entertaining?

First, someone already stated that the load balancers run Linux, not the actual backend servers. How true this is, I'm not completely sure.

Even so, I'm not sure why people find this so "entertaining." You know people would be up in arms if Microsoft tried to force akamai to use Windows for everything. But when they don't, it's "entertaining." As stated many times before, Microsoft simply can't win in some people's eyes, and that's sad on those peoples parts.

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RE[5]: other way
by troc on Mon 1st May 2006 18:15 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: other way"
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2006-05-01

MS using akmai/linux is entertaining considering the advertising bullshit that MS pushes into our faces. With more than USD 34billion cash balance, one wonders if it is really a question of putting your money where your mouth is.

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RE[6]: other way
by Cloudy on Mon 1st May 2006 19:08 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: other way"
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2006-02-15

Yes. It's nearly as entertaining as all the FOSS advocates who use the intarweb which, basically, runs on closed-source cisco routers.

The extent to which the purity of the purists depends on the degree of inconvenience involved is highly entertaining.

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Dvorak & Cringely?
by blahblah on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:26 UTC
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Um, I wouldn't put them in the same category. After all, Cringely did have his own tv special ;)
But seriously, Cringely actually goes back and checks his predictions. And he got pretty close to guessing the whole dual-boot thing at the start of this year (apple will indirectly support windows booting up on the Mac, but provide no guarantees). But he says some crazy things to sometimes (that google warehouse thing...). But I wouldn't put Dvorak up with him. Dvorak is an idiot. And I really wish osnews wouldn't link to him at all. Just my 2 cents.

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Spot On
by Brad on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:42 UTC
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Thom,

While some sundays I think you have lost it a bit (no offense), this one was clearly spot on. I have been thinking the same lines as you lately, both Cringely and Dvorak have been coming of with some very crazy stuff, and it has to be for pure shock value to bring people in, clearly it works since sites like Slashdot have been non stop linking to them lately.

They also show that you don't have to be making sense for people to come to your site and read. Say something crazy, and put some ill-framed logic in there and people will go for it. But in the end, that's the internet.

I think it also goes to show why bloggers aren't considered "the news" and so forth, this kind of thing ruins and chance for them to get credibility traction.

Some of course would say you do the same. But I don't think you come out and make crazy claims and predictions. You just grumble ;) . Also clearly you don't have lots of money to be made from such things.

Maybe we need a Satire column website formed, Much like the "Colbert Report" is to a certain news channel, lets see what members of the internet can come up with for fun, and see how much their bum-dumps sound like people like Dvorak and Cringley.

And yes, Dvorak didn't invent that keyboard layout. Everyone knows he's famous for being sidekick on a animated talkshow in space. It's a fact, you can look it up. ;)

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RE: Spot On
by Beryllium on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:47 UTC in reply to "Spot On"
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2005-07-08

I think Cringley and Dvorak should get a Crossfire-style show on TechTV. The major sticking point, of course, would be "Who gets to wear the dorky bowtie?!"?

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RE[2]: Spot On
by Brad on Mon 1st May 2006 00:13 UTC in reply to "RE: Spot On"
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2005-07-06

Bery,

Well, Dvorak did have a show on Tech TV a while back, it was him talking, and talking to others. Less then thrilling to say to the least.

But if your show did come to be, we could then get John Stewart to come on and explain how Cringley and Dvorak are "hurting the internet" and overall bash the heck out of them, show gets canceled, but everyone feels good for a while.

Oh, bowtie goes to Cringley. He even has about the right look.

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RE[2]: Spot On
by smitty_one_each on Mon 1st May 2006 00:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Spot On"
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2005-07-07

Who says bowties are dorky?
I wear mine in total rebellion against the necktie.
Report to http://www.greatbows.com/store/ and perform penance, ye scoundrel. ;)

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Alternatively, buy a newspaper
by moleskine on Sun 30th Apr 2006 23:46 UTC
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Yes, John C. Dvorak is pretty sad. But you only have to read one of his articles to get that. No need to come back for more punishment.

My own favourite tech pundit is John Naughton of the UK Observer newspaper:
(http://observer.guardian.co.uk/).

He is a journalist who writes quality copy that also gets posted to the paper's website. But like his colleagues on the paper, he doesn't have to write bollocks in order to get web ads. Just thoughtful ideas that reflect the quality of the paper. Nor, I suspect, would he write filler material around adverts. He is too classy for that.

There's a problem with pundits who write solely or at least primarily on the web. They become kind of untethered and eventually, at least in the case of Dvorak, unhinged. Put these guys in a UK newspaper or tech mag and they would sink without trace. There is not enough substance behind them to last out in the more demanding world of print.

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Moochman Member since:
2005-07-06

Dvorak's background IS actually the world of print; he got his start writing for PC Magazine and PC/Computing (remember when that existed?), I'd guess that he's been writing editorials for print publications since at least 1985. I do, however, think that the web influence to churn out the controversial columns has been a corrupting influence... Dvorak today is a negative by-product of his own popularity.

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let me just say
by postmodern on Mon 1st May 2006 00:49 UTC
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Thank you! Finally someone calls this foolish scam into the open. It's wasting all our time and energy having to see/hear/refute such outrageous claims while they propagate across news sites/blogs/RSS feeds/etc.

Well more reason to install Ad-block and try to stop their ad-revenue flow.

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You're probably right about Dvorak
by robogeek on Mon 1st May 2006 00:50 UTC
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I've generally ignored him because he made so little sense .. just like that Cringley guy the others are mentioning.

But, I have some nitpicks with other things you say.

There are a lot of switchers. I'm one. I used to make fun of the Mickeytosh's, but that was before OS X. See, to us Unix geeks having Unix with a pretty face on which we can get a good Java implementation and the occasional professional multimedia application .... that's dreamland, and a far more usable world than the Linux crowd can ever dream of having.

Haven't you noticed the plethora of Powerbook's at Geek Conventions??

Okay, so that's not a significantly large number of switchers. Okay, so Apple didn't manage to make a serious dent in Windows market share. That just shows you how many drones there are out there.

The other thing is your claim that nobody has firewire. Um, excuse me, but firewire is pretty widespread. It isn't always called firewire, as Sony calls it i.Link and others call it by some IEEE number. Okay, so firewire (regardless of it's alternate names) isn't ubiquitous. And your reasoning is sound, that the iPod as a USB2 device makes a lot of sense.

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Brad Member since:
2005-07-06

Apple has grown, but it wasn't because of the switch campaign. It was a big drag. It made people not want to buy a mac. Why would someone want to buy a computer from a company who is insulting you in their commercials?

It never took off.

But in the mean time, plenty of people took interest in macs, but not because of the campaign. I bought a mac, but it had zero to do with the switch campaign. It made me not to want to buy a mac.

Firewire is pretty much dead. It started to get a foot hold in the non-mac world a few years ago, but then USB2.0 came out. It's not perfect, but it managed to kill off FW. Also, around that time FW800 came out which had in-compatible plugs, this signed FW's death. And now with eSATA, the biggest place for FW (external drives) is going away. So there isn't much of a place for it.

After the window of time where most PCs and PC motherboards were coming with FW ports on them, there has been a retreat and now FW tends to be a header, not a port. It's fading away.

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alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

"Why would someone want to buy a computer from a company who is insulting you in their commercials?"

Do so agree with this - and its not just the commercials, though there have been plenty of these, its too many of the postings. Its such a weird phenomenon. It reminds one a bit of some of these crazy extreme minority religious groups who seem to go out of their way to provoke negative reactions.

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RE[3]: other way
by captain_knobjockey on Mon 1st May 2006 01:14 UTC
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They never see it like that..... they see it as "another" company uses Linux, therefore it is out of Microsofts hands.

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Hypocrisy
by porcel on Mon 1st May 2006 01:30 UTC
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Thom,

YOu do realize that this article is largely self-descriptive of the many polemics that Osnews knowingly starts, don't you?

In other words,are you sure you want to be the one casting the first stone in favor of serious journalism?

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Hypocrisy
by porcel on Mon 1st May 2006 01:46 UTC
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Thom,

YOu do realize that this article is largely self-descriptive of the many polemics that Osnews knowingly starts, don't you?

In other words,are you sure you want to be the one casting the first stone in favor of serious journalism?

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RE: Hypocrisy
by l3v1 on Mon 1st May 2006 07:51 UTC in reply to "Hypocrisy"
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Well this is not the first place on the net when people do not exactly think Dvorak says smart things. I think I put that nicely enough.

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RE: Hypocrisy
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 1st May 2006 11:22 UTC in reply to "Hypocrisy"
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2005-06-29

You do realize that this article is largely self-descriptive of the many polemics that Osnews knowingly starts, don't you?

Oh? Do we make wild and unsubstantiated claims with the only goal being money? No. We don't get paid around here, so there is no financial incentive to write provocative stuff.

Contrary to Dvorak.

In other words,are you sure you want to be the one casting the first stone in favor of serious journalism?

I'm not suited to throw that first stone, but I'm sure as hell a lot more qualified to do that than Dvorak.

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RE[2]: Hypocrisy
by peejay on Mon 1st May 2006 13:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Hypocrisy"
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2005-06-29

> Do we make wild and unsubstantiated claims with the only goal being money? No. We don't get paid around here, so there is no financial incentive to write provocative stuff.

I won't accuse you of these (yet, at least, see below ;) , but there are, of course, other things besides money that you can attempt to gain by writing provocative stuff. Like fame (think how often Dvorak is mentioned, even if no one likes his stuff) or power (think how many people listen to Dvorak, even when he's wrong).

Surely, if there's no financial incentive, there must be SOME incentive for you to write/link articles here. So what is it? ;)

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RE[3]: Hypocrisy
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 1st May 2006 15:20 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Hypocrisy"
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2005-06-29

Surely, if there's no financial incentive, there must be SOME incentive for you to write/link articles here. So what is it? ;)

I'ma make it my job. If all goes according to plan I'll be doing my Master in Journalism (when I'm done with my current Bachelor). I do OSNews because I like to do it, and because it takes the mind away from other things.

And when I'm not in the mood to work on OSN, I still do it because I comitted myself to it. And real men (and women) don't break promises.

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I use dvorak!
by Jesuspower on Mon 1st May 2006 03:04 UTC
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Wait, there are at least two people that use Dvorak: the worlds fastest typist, and me: not the worlds fastest typist. I did help with my wrist pain though.... and I do believe that it is a superior k/b layout.

Anyway, I tend to read the Dvorak columns in the mag now, and then only to see if there is some spiffy new product I've overlooked that he is talking about.
I also read the past articles(The ones over 5 years old) just for kicks. His latest postings, by his own admissions, were only to get a rise from people though. Kinda like a techy Edgar Allan Poe...

Dvorak: WinMac! quoth the raven.

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old news, cartoon
by mikesum32 on Mon 1st May 2006 03:50 UTC
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This is kind of old news.

There's even a cartoon about it.

http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/789.html

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Just don't click on the link.
by PowerMacX on Mon 1st May 2006 03:52 UTC
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OK, so Dvorak (or any other pundit) writes a random piece of fiction and it gets mentioned on every site. They put up a small summary of what he said, and a link.

Does the summary sound ridiculous, like what someone would write to get ad revenues? In that case (that is, usually) just DON'T click on the freakin' link! You know beforehand it's not worth it.

Just my 2c. :/

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RE: iPod
by Kroc on Mon 1st May 2006 07:03 UTC
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Actually, I want to correct you on the iPod comments. Apple added USB support for PC users, but the choice to drop Firewire (starting with 5G) was because the Firewire controller chip was twice the size of the USB controller and therefore they decided finally to drop Firewire in order to make the 5G as thin as it is.

The decision to drop Firewire was not to favour the PC, as anyone with an iPod will know that as from 4G onwards they supported both Firewire and USB and came with both cables. It was dropped due to space, all Mac users prefer using Firewire over USB because it's more reliable, has better power and plus it frees your USB ports up for your other things.

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Yeah, but
by Varg Vikernes on Mon 1st May 2006 09:56 UTC
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Sure, Dvorak is a troll but he has to be in order to make money. Nevertheless he did write some of the most trollish columns and they came true.

Remember how Mac zealots wanted to hang Dvorak for writing that Apple will use Intel? I'm too drunk to remember his other columns that came true, but there are some. And, more importantly, I like the guy, because at least his columns are conversation starters.

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RE: Yeah, but
by Jesuspower on Mon 1st May 2006 11:16 UTC in reply to "Yeah, but"
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death of the Newton, death of the clones, Apple switching to Intel, and then some obvious ones i cant remember.

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RE: Yeah, but
by peejay on Mon 1st May 2006 13:22 UTC in reply to "Yeah, but"
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2005-06-29

> Nevertheless he did write some of the most trollish columns and they came true.

Guessing right just means you're lucky, not smart. ;)

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Re: that alternative keymap
by aroleon on Mon 1st May 2006 13:42 UTC
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2005-07-30

Actually, there are many thousands of us using the Dvorak keyboard. Not to mention the hundreds of injured or disabled people touch-typing one-handed, thanks to this keymap. And yes, John C. is a dweeb.

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heh
by Unbeliever on Mon 1st May 2006 18:48 UTC
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2005-07-09

complaining about someone getting ad revenue while at the same time clogging the website you post this one with ads that bring revenue.

How ironic.

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RE: heh
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 1st May 2006 19:53 UTC in reply to "heh"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

complaining about someone getting ad revenue while at the same time clogging the website you post this one with ads that bring revenue.

For the millionth time you moron: WE DO NOT GET PAID AT OSNEWS. IT'S A VOLUNTEER EFFORT. HENCE, WE DON'T GIVE ONE FLYING FCUK ABOUT REVENUE. Al the money we get from ads goes directly to our hosting, and that's it. And OSNews clogged with ads? Give me a fcuking break sonny, OSNews is VERY low on ads.

Sorry for the offensive language, the rest of you normal people, but sometimes it's the only language 13 year old people who cannot read understand.

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RE[2]: heh
by Unbeliever on Mon 1st May 2006 22:42 UTC in reply to "RE: heh"
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2005-07-09

Interesting choice of language for a news "editor". Who cares if *you* get paid, so long as your boss showers you with brand-spanking new laptops? You have a boss don't you? I'm sure he gets his fair share of the revenue, otherwise, why have ads? Oh, yes, to pay for hosting. But how much can hosting this website cost anyway? Enough to have ads 24/7?

And you comparing yourself to Dvorak? On what grounds? That people got sick of being "editors" of this website after years of "editing" and found the first "geek" to take over this "news" website? That you have templates that you use to post "news" that others websites make? You're comparing yourself to Dvorak because you think that *linkin* to websites that house news is the same as being the one that makes news, its acurracy notwithstanding?

You need to grow up dude. And the usage of language such as your is but a sign of how deep this whole hipocrisy runs.

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vitae
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2006-02-20

make money. And that's just sad.

Why is it sad? Yes, he's full of shite, but he's making a living. Too me it's no different than writing self-help books or religious books for a living. Those people are also full of shite. The press, itself, is at least halfway just another part of the entertainment industry. Pretty much all the op/ed pieces are by people who are far from experts, just offering an opinion which is probably worthless. Then to that you add movie, art, restaurant critics who also don't know anything, but foist their b.s. on us because they can. Now we have blogs too. Basically we've got the bulk of the world being full of it, and offering their opinions. And we all know what they say about opinions. If Eugenia offered to pay you for op/ed pieces, would you say no?

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Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

If Eugenia offered to pay you for op/ed pieces, would you say no?

Yes. Because then OSNews would stop being a hobby, and would turn into a job. And me, Adam, David, and Eugenia all agree we do not want that. We want OSN to stay a hobby, a loose commitment, so that I can decide all of a sudden to stay in Amsterdam instead of going home after a university day whenever I want.

And btw, Eugenia has little say about this matter anyway; she ain't the boss around here: David Adams is (OSNews' owner).

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vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

Okay, but the point is if the boss tells Dvorak "Go ahead. Keep making up foolish nonsense, and we'll keep paying you for it." He'd be a fool not to.

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hey!
by Kancept on Mon 1st May 2006 20:27 UTC
Kancept
Member since:
2006-01-09

I use the Dvorak keyboard layout you insensitive clod! All my laptops and desktops have Dvorak keyboards, and my Fingerworks Touchstream is a dvorak layout (silver ya know). Just because you don't use it, or may have not met someone who does, has no bearing on the fact that we are out here. Like us eComstation / BeOS / ZETA users that still exist. ;-D And yes, I know that John C. Dvorak didn't create the layout.

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RE[2]: Yeah, but
by Soulbender on Tue 2nd May 2006 04:10 UTC
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

"Sure, Dvorak is a troll but he has to be in order to make money."
And your point is?

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