Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 2nd May 2006 19:33 UTC
OpenBSD "In this latest interview, Theo examines the past five years of OpenBSD development. He also discusses the OpenBSD 3.9 theme song, 'Blob!', detailing what blobs are, why OpenBSD avoids them, and how OpenBSD developers work to reverse engineer them. Looking to the development process, Theo talks about recent and future 'mini-hackathons', small and focused OpenBSD development gatherings. Finally, Theo also discusses the OpenBSD project's funding issues, and the response to requests for funding from users of the project's OpenSSH software."
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Good Interview
by w00dst0ck on Tue 2nd May 2006 21:29 UTC
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2006-02-01

I liked this interview, but it didn't ask some of the main questions that I wanted answered for 3.9.

I'm curious as to what changes they've made in regards to SMP and their new rthreads. I'm really curious to see how they compare to other systems (namely, Linux & FreeBSD)

Otherwise great interview. Theo is stubborn but I highly respect him and his team for all the great work they have done over the years.

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RE: Good Interview
by Janizary on Tue 2nd May 2006 22:23 UTC in reply to "Good Interview"
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2006-03-12

rthreads doesn't compare, it's not done yet.

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Wow
by McBofh on Tue 2nd May 2006 22:20 UTC
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Must be the first interview where Theo didn't blast Sun and IBM by name directly. Perhaps somebody's taught him some PR skills.

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BSD family
by csousa on Tue 2nd May 2006 23:19 UTC
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2006-02-04

OpenBSD, like the other members of BSD family are a great value project, with a clear focus, and this is (for me) the great difference to the linux world: The way things happens in BSD camp are more logical, and (most important!) more "standard", in a way that project can share code easy.I can't forgot the good and valuable code that openbsd and others BSD give us: OpenSSH, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, NetBSD, Solaris, MacOS,...

Thanks Theo!

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RE: BSD family
by dylansmrjones on Wed 3rd May 2006 01:16 UTC in reply to "BSD family"
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2005-10-02

Solaris and Mac OS X are not exactly BSD.

Besides that, you should remember that FreeBSD is not only a system, but also the distribution. Linux is only a kernel, so you cannot compare it directly this way.

The clear focus in *BSD is no clearer than in RHEL or Gentoo or in the other big distributions. And some of the clear focus in *BSD disappears when you start looking at the many forks, and the rising number of distributions (based on FreeBSD).

When comparing apples and oranges, don't forget you are comparing apples and oranges. Otherwise you're in for a surprise.

[EDIT:] Considered as a binary distribution PC-BSD beats the binary Linux distributions I've tried so far. Note to myself: Must try DesktopBSD.

Edited 2006-05-03 01:18

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v RE[2]: BSD family
by Janizary on Wed 3rd May 2006 01:35 UTC in reply to "RE: BSD family"
RE[3]: BSD family
by McBofh on Wed 3rd May 2006 01:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: BSD family"
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2005-07-07

I'd love to score you down for use of offensive language (end of sentence #5) but the rest of your post is on-topic and very relevant.

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RE[3]: BSD family
by dylansmrjones on Wed 3rd May 2006 02:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: BSD family"
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2005-10-02

I'm not the one claiming there is a clear focus for all BSD.

But FreeBSD is as much as BSD-distribution as Gentoo Linux is a GNU/Linux-distribution. Many BSD-fanboys are using the "One OS - One Distribution" part to bash the many GNU/Linux-distributions.

I merely pointed out that the situation isn't that different in the BSD-world.

Or put another way: Don't throw with stones, when you yourself live in a house of glass (poorly translated from danish).

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RE[3]: BSD family
by lazywally on Wed 3rd May 2006 16:50 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: BSD family"
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2005-07-06

The clear focus of FreeBSD is to be Linux,

What exactly do you mean?

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RE[2]: BSD family
by csousa on Wed 3rd May 2006 08:18 UTC in reply to "RE: BSD family"
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2006-02-04

Solaris and Mac OS X are not exactly BSD

I refer to the BSD family (derivates from)

Besides that, you should remember that FreeBSD is not only a system, but also the distribution. Linux is only a kernel, so you cannot compare it directly this way

I compare BSD with linux in a generic way (not openbsd vs gentoo, for example), besides I can compare BSD with linux+GNU utilities.

The clear focus in *BSD is no clearer than in RHEL or Gentoo or in the other big distributions

I use linux from about 5 years and I saw to many distros do the same thing: compile packets over and over, create a anarchy of systems that you can't share you knowledge from one to another

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RE[3]: BSD family
by dylansmrjones on Wed 3rd May 2006 11:12 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: BSD family"
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2005-10-02

I refer to the BSD family (derivates from)

Solaris and Mac OS X is no more a BSD-derivate than Linux is. Or Linux is as much a BSD-derivate as Solaris and Mac OS X is.

I compare BSD with linux in a generic way (not openbsd vs gentoo, for example), besides I can compare BSD with linux+GNU utilities.

Take some English Classes and rephrase the sentence above mine.
Anyway, there is no mo clear focus in the BSD-world than in the Linux-world.
I'm sick and tired of BSD-zealots bashing Linux because you are jealous of the Linux Success. And tired of the Linux zealots bashing BSD because you bash Linux. It only leeds to BSD-zealots and Linux-zealots beating each other for no valid reason.

I use linux from about 5 years and I saw to many distros do the same thing: compile packets over and over, create a anarchy of systems that you can't share you knowledge from one to another

You haven't used Linux then, except from some sort of broken live CD. I've used many Linux distributions (and the horror of Fedora brought me to LFS, Gentoo (and FreeBSD btw.)), and so far I've been able to reuse my knowledge from one system to another. Most basic elements are unchanged across the distributions, and you'd know that if you have ever used Linux. And used, not tried Linux.

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RE[4]: BSD family
by Soulbender on Wed 3rd May 2006 03:17 UTC
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2005-08-18

"I'm not the one claiming there is a clear focus for all BSD."
I claim that OpenBSD has a clearer focus than most but that's just me. I'm sure many will disagree.

"But FreeBSD is as much as BSD-distribution as Gentoo Linux is a GNU/Linux-distribution."

No. There isnt a single "BSD" kernel and userland that all the BSD's build their systems from and therefore they arent "distributions" in the same sense as Gentoo et al. DesktopBSD and PC-BSD are FreeBSD distributions though.

"I merely pointed out that the situation isn't that different in the BSD-world."

Except that there arent 130+ distributions (for better or worse).

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RE[5]: BSD family
by dylansmrjones on Wed 3rd May 2006 11:17 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: BSD family"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

No. There isnt a single "BSD" kernel and userland that all the BSD's build their systems from and therefore they arent "distributions" in the same sense as Gentoo et al. DesktopBSD and PC-BSD are FreeBSD distributions though.

There are no single Linux kernel nor userland that all the GNU/Linux distributions build their systems from. Same situation. There are not even a single Linux kernel nor userland in Gentoo Linux.

Except that there arent 130+ distributions (for better or worse).

Well, that depends on how you look at it.
Anyway, the number of distributions _are_ rising. And guess what? At the moment 2 desktop distributions are based on FreeBSD - and they are mutually incompatible on the binary level. Clear focus anyone?

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model
by happycamper on Wed 3rd May 2006 04:06 UTC
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2006-01-01

i have alot of respect for the BSDs. they stll stick to the style and design that made unix famous.

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Theo is great
by Haicube on Wed 3rd May 2006 19:03 UTC
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2005-08-06

Lovely attitude. Not that the interview really picked up something new that most didn't already know I guess. Just a brief look to the history, with one exception. The university in between OpenBSD and Darpa. I'd love to see some figures on what happened with all the money (Yeah I'm curious..).

On a sidenote. 20years of coding is a long time, all that experience is worth a lot, let's hope it'll keep doing good things for another 20 years.

Kudos Theo =)

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