Linked by Eugenia Loli on Tue 9th May 2006 09:00 UTC
Windows Microsoft used the annual Mobile & Embedded DevCon to announce the availability of a beta release of Windows CE 6, the next generation of its real-time software used to build customized operating systems for devices such as internet protocol set-top-boxes, Global Positioning System-based devices, and industrial automation and medical devices. With a redesigned operating system kernel architecture, expanded capacity for simultaneous processes (up to 32000) and newly integrated tool set, Windows CE 6 promises help device makers more quickly create devices that support a range of applications for high-demand categories.
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real-time
by Aaron1 on Tue 9th May 2006 12:13 UTC
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2006-01-19

[/i]the next generation of its real-time software[/i]

Is this real-time like QNX is or is it a play on words?

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RE: real-time
by poundsmack on Tue 9th May 2006 16:44 UTC in reply to "real-time"
poundsmack Member since:
2005-07-13

real time like qnx. and hopefully this one will be as fun to use or play with. i have qnx up and running on one of my x86 box's but getting ce 5.0 uo wight a nightmear.

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Interesting
by twenex on Tue 9th May 2006 12:32 UTC
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2006-04-21

What's really interesting about this announcement is how little interest it's getting, at least on this site. 56 comments and counting on the three news items around it, and only 2 about this one.

Of course, now I expect there'll be a flurry of comments agreeing, disagreeing, or attempting to prove or disprove my point!

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RE: Interesting
by Janus on Tue 9th May 2006 13:00 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
Janus Member since:
2005-07-20

I disagree!

How could I pass on an invitation like that? ;)

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RE[2]: Interesting
by twenex on Tue 9th May 2006 13:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

rotfl.

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RE: Interesting
by ma_d on Tue 9th May 2006 16:49 UTC in reply to "Interesting"
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2005-06-29

How many people on here do you suppose have mobile devices? And how many do you suppose buy a new one when a new system is released for them?

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RE[2]: Interesting
by twenex on Tue 9th May 2006 18:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Interesting"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Absolutely no idea, however there is much more interest in the other mobile device just mentioned on the site.

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RE[3]: Interesting
by twenex on Tue 9th May 2006 18:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Interesting"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Oops! not any more!

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the real question is...
by tastytaste on Tue 9th May 2006 12:36 UTC
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2005-07-08

can i update my dreamcast??? lol

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ho-hum
by TomB7 on Tue 9th May 2006 13:01 UTC
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2006-01-03

Can't they just give it up? The PDA market has been dead for at least a half-decade.

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RE: ho-hum
by cyrilleberger on Tue 9th May 2006 13:42 UTC in reply to "ho-hum"
cyrilleberger Member since:
2006-02-01

But on the other hand, the smartphone market is booming...

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RE: ho-hum
by elektrik on Tue 9th May 2006 19:52 UTC in reply to "ho-hum"
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2006-04-18

Oh no! Whatever shall I do with my "dead PDA" that I use to access OSNews wirelessly while in the house, put movies onto for my daughter when we travel, keep track of my many appointments; where oh where will I find software to help me in my (medical career) and how will I *ever* play MP3's that won't skip because they're on a hard drive?

You're absolutely right-I *want* to pay several hundred dollars for a combined Phone-PDA that locks me to one specific carrier-not matter how crummy they are...

Oh wait... were we talking about a dead market?

Edited 2006-05-09 19:54

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OK, I admit it
by UglyKidBill on Tue 9th May 2006 13:16 UTC
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2005-07-27

I have to admit that -regardless of if it is true or just a subjective view- after years of running Win OSes of many kinds, if my life was depending on a MS powered medical device I would be freaking out... 0_o

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RE: OK, I admit it
by Mellin on Tue 9th May 2006 18:56 UTC in reply to "OK, I admit it"
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2005-07-06

Microsoft heart and lung machine with Windows CE 6 ;)

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Super cool!
by neozeed on Tue 9th May 2006 13:18 UTC
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2006-03-03

Hopefully that means processes bigger than 32mb! This has been a bit annoying in CE. OTOH CE is cheap as hell ot license compared to real windows.

FWIW Its not just PDA's its embeded devices, that is a big market but its largely silent. Lots of stuff that runs CE doesnt make a big deal of it.

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Make me WinCE
by Sphinx on Tue 9th May 2006 13:46 UTC
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2005-07-09

One of the things that I thought hurt it the most was the complete lack of a W3C compliant browser. Doesn't say if that's fixed.

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RE: Make me WinCE
by ThanhLy on Tue 9th May 2006 14:08 UTC in reply to "Make me WinCE"
ThanhLy Member since:
2006-03-14

Which ones have you tried? I've never really used my PocketPC for web browsing other than "proof-of-concept" just to see that it can be done.

Your comment made me go Googling, and apparently there's a version of Opera for Windows Mobile, including PocketPCs. I generally think Opera is better than IE when it comes to standards.

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RE[2]: Make me WinCE
by Sphinx on Wed 10th May 2006 13:43 UTC in reply to "RE: Make me WinCE"
Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

IE5 at the time was the only browser for WinCE. It did not pass muster.

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RE: Make me WinCE
by Hugo on Tue 9th May 2006 16:15 UTC in reply to "Make me WinCE"
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2005-07-06
RE[2]: Make me WinCE
by sappyvcv on Tue 9th May 2006 19:40 UTC in reply to "RE: Make me WinCE"
sappyvcv Member since:
2005-07-06

Minimo is far from done, and not very resource friendly.

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RE[3]: Make me WinCE
by eggman on Tue 9th May 2006 23:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Make me WinCE"
eggman Member since:
2006-05-09

Minimo is a giant resource hog. It's almost as slow and bloated as Mozilla suite -- there's no way in hell it's anywhere near usable on smaller hardware.

But the fundamentalists don't care about performance or stability or performance or standards, do they? Just the Mozilla name makes them cum in their pants.

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RE[2]: Make me WinCE
by Sphinx on Wed 10th May 2006 13:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Make me WinCE"
Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

I used the .98 mozilla embedded GTK widget to meet the W3C spec requirement. MiniMO looks great, thanks.

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Embedded
by zizban on Tue 9th May 2006 15:08 UTC
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2005-07-06

WinCE is more for smart phone and set top boxes.One is going not going to use it for hard real time or deeply embedded stuff; that's the province of QNX because WinCE cannot be slimmed down to the size requirements.

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RE: Embedded
by CPUGuy on Tue 9th May 2006 15:22 UTC in reply to "Embedded"
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2005-07-06

Are you serious? WinCE can be stripped down as much as you want.

And then on top of that you, have Windows Embedded which is completely modular and you can add and remove whatever you want even finer than CE.

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RE: Embedded
by tomcat on Tue 9th May 2006 18:47 UTC in reply to "Embedded"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

WinCE is more for smart phone and set top boxes.One is going not going to use it for hard real time or deeply embedded stuff; that's the province of QNX because WinCE cannot be slimmed down to the size requirements.

Ummmmm, no. Wrong. Believe it or not, WinCE is one of the most widely deployed embedded OS on the market today. Read this:

http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3435501

Apparently, WinCE is much more modular than many people think.

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RE[2]: Embedded
by tomcat on Tue 9th May 2006 20:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Embedded"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

http://www.internetnews.com/ent-news/article.php/3435501

Yeah, yeah, I know. Vote down this post. It's not like we'd want anybody to actually learn anything about the reality of the embedded market or anything.

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RE[3]: Embedded
by Sphinx on Wed 10th May 2006 13:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Embedded"
Sphinx Member since:
2005-07-09

That may have even been valid 3 years ago if it wasn't from an MS shill in a high tech space that's exploding exponentially at the speed of light. There is a name for old data.

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It's not that bad
by euank on Tue 9th May 2006 16:45 UTC
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2006-01-02

I've been using WinCE on an industrial display project in an extreme environment for over 4 years. It's never failed or complained. Can't argue with that really. Not to mention EVC is a great tool, and beats all other embedded IDE / BSPs we have in my place of work, hands down no contest.

Edited 2006-05-09 16:46

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All
by tomcat on Tue 9th May 2006 20:09 UTC
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2006-01-06

The voting system on this site is totally broken. People are using it solely to silence opposing viewpoints.

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RE: All
by zizban on Tue 9th May 2006 23:45 UTC in reply to "All"
zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

I have to agree with you on that. It is a shame. It should be more like Slashdot: you cannot mod in a topic you posted in. I don't mind opposing viewpoints as long as they aren't trolls or fanboys.

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