Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 10th May 2006 17:21 UTC
Opera Software Nintendo has turned to Opera as the browser for their upcoming Wii gaming console. "Opera Software today announced that Nintendo's much anticipated new generation game console, Wii, will use the Opera browser. Users of the Wii console will browse the Internet using their consoles. Navigating via the innovative new Wii Remote controller, users can visit Web sites in between gaming sessions."
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v Wii
by Anonymous Coward on Wed 10th May 2006 17:44 UTC
RE: Wii
by Shannara on Wed 10th May 2006 18:05 UTC in reply to "Wii"
Shannara Member since:
2005-07-06

Do you have an explaination as to why you believe this to be a bad name? You say it sounds funny ... how? and why? ... and what's wrong with SAAB?

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RE[2]: Wii
by paul.michael.bauer on Wed 10th May 2006 18:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Wii"
paul.michael.bauer Member since:
2005-07-06

Considering how much time people are going to "waste" on this product, "Wii" is strangly appropriate.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Wii
by situation on Wed 10th May 2006 21:40 UTC in reply to "Wii"
situation Member since:
2006-01-10

Haha, a bit behind the news? The name was announced a while ago, and everyone has already fussed. I'm sure you can find plenty of articles from fanboys of both camps to help explain it to you.

Reply Score: 1

Preemptive
by Johan on Wed 10th May 2006 17:47 UTC
Johan
Member since:
2005-06-30

Screenshots here!

http://wiinintendo.net/?p=110

It looks fantastic, with excellent use of the two screens. Eg, One full page screen to control the other zoomed in screen. It also has handwriting recognition.

As someone said before, the ironic thing is that the Wii broswer will probably be more standard compliant than IE in Vista :-)

Reply Score: 5

RE: Preemptive
by Kroc on Wed 10th May 2006 17:59 UTC in reply to "Preemptive"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

The article is about the Wii, not the DS! Either way this is good news.

And lets please not get into _ANY_ Opera vs Firefox wars please. I don't care which is your favourite browser or who invented what, as long as it's not IE and that you're happy with your choice.

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RE: Preemptive
by Johan on Wed 10th May 2006 18:20 UTC in reply to "Preemptive"
Johan Member since:
2005-06-30

doh'! Oh well, DS, Wii, I'm can't wait to get my hands on both of em!

*Wearing the nintendo fanboy hat since Mario Kart

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Preemptive
by Captain N. on Wed 10th May 2006 18:27 UTC in reply to "RE: Preemptive"
Captain N. Member since:
2005-07-07

Me too!! (Wearing my Nintendo fanboy hat since the very first Legend of Zelda game)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Preemptive
by Indech on Wed 10th May 2006 18:00 UTC
Indech
Member since:
2005-12-06

Do note those are DS screenshots, while this article is talking about their upcoming Wii. (eek, beaten)

I'm quite happy for this outcome, as Opera is a great browser and this should be a great help for their market share.

(btw, trying to click the reply button just refreshes the page for me. Anyone know how to fix that?)

Edited 2006-05-10 18:01

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Preemptive
by Kroc on Wed 10th May 2006 18:02 UTC in reply to "RE: Preemptive"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

If you're on Firefox view your cookies from preferences/options and delete all the ones from OSNews, then refresh the page and things should work fine again.

Reply Score: 2

v Why didn't they go with Open Source?
by stephanem on Wed 10th May 2006 18:26 UTC
Johan Member since:
2005-06-30

I hear that Minimo requires 64mb ram to run, Opera can work in DS's 4mb. Yeah we're talking about Wii, but clearly one is a better browser than the other and liscensing has little to do with it.

Reply Score: 5

stephanem Member since:
2006-01-11

But surely open source programmers are better than closed source programmers (atleast that's what I've been told repeatedly by folks on this board).

Reply Score: 0

Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

The license has little to do with the skill of the programmer. The quality of the program is down to management. Opera is a tight-knit hard working, full time team. Firefox (and I'm a big fan myself), has a lot of part time staff who work for Google and other companies, and progress is very slow.

Reply Score: 2

rm6990 Member since:
2005-07-04

Well anyone who has told you that is an idiot, and you are an idiot as well for believing them. They say the method of open source development is better in the longrun, not that open source developers are automatically more skilled than closed source developers.

And really, if your whole purpose in life is to troll online message boards to get a little bit of glee and amusement by annoying people for a fraction of a second, then you are a very sad individual indeed. Reading through some of your comment history makes it very clear that you are very much against Linux and OSS, so quit pretending to be oh so outraged that they went with Opera instead of Firefox, and grow up.

Reply Score: 1

rm6990 Member since:
2005-07-04

"Why didn't they go with Open Source?"

Cause they didn't want to? Cause Opera is lighter and faster? There are tons of possible reasons. Firefox isn't the end all, be all of the browser industry, and if Nintendo thinks Opera will work out better for them, then I am all for it.

Maybe if they went with Firefox it would be a slap in the face of the proprietary but much more advanced browser Opera. Did you ever think of that? :-P

Oh, and by the way, those downloads you grab from Mozilla.com contain proprietary software, just to let you know.

(Using Camino right now myself)

Reply Score: 5

WorknMan Member since:
2005-11-13

Why didn't they go with Open Source?

Maybe because they don't see open source as a religion?

Reply Score: 2

Mr. T Member since:
2006-05-10

"Why didn't they go with Open Source?"

If you BUY a product you have someone to blame if the product breaks.

Reply Score: 1

raboof Member since:
2005-07-24

Why didn't they go with Open Source?

If you BUY a product you have someone to blame if the product breaks.


Actually, given the 'defensive licensing' nowadays common in IT land, this is mostly a bogus argument imho.

Reply Score: 1

situation Member since:
2006-01-10

Probably because Firefox is becoming a bloated unstable pig? I used to be a huge fan of it, now I don't even recommend it to people anymore. All the fame had a negative effect on it.

Reply Score: 1

deathshadow Member since:
2005-07-12

>> This is a slap in the face of the open source browser firefox.

Frankly, it could use a few good slaps to keep them honest. Maybe (we can hope) it will be a wake-up call.

A large company like Nintendo EVER choosing a open source product like firefox for their hardware is REALLY unlikely - see, they are in the business of MAKING money... and frankly, trusting a bunch of 'volunteers' to spend time fixing (or not fixing) the product is not going to end up high on the list of options. It would cost them more money to bring on a staff to maintain the build for their hardware than it would to just pay a company like MS or Opera to do just make one for them - not to mention learning curve time needed for 'in house' porting.

Besides, Firefox has made how many inroads on embedded devices and thin clients so far? Opera on the other hand is THE weapon of choice on mobile and other thin clients not running Windows CE. (and it's even available on a couple of those)

Between Opera Mobile and Opera Mini, they are a full generation AHEAD of anything Gecko based in the non-desktop market.

Reply Score: 1

Nintendo made a good choice...
by madcrow on Wed 10th May 2006 18:42 UTC
madcrow
Member since:
2006-03-13

Opera is a nice browser and let not forget that it's big embedded deals like this that allowed Opera Corp. to make the PC version intro real freeware rather than adware.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Nintendo made a good choice...
by essdeekay on Thu 11th May 2006 09:41 UTC in reply to "Nintendo made a good choice..."
essdeekay Member since:
2006-01-31

It wasn't just the embedded deals, a lot of revenue comes from selling referrals to the likes of Google, Amazon and eBay:-
http://www.gigaom.com/2005/09/21/google-made-opera-browser-free/

Reply Score: 1

Opera is small and fast
by reduz on Wed 10th May 2006 18:59 UTC
reduz
Member since:
2006-02-25

And I'm _really_ glad that unlike SEGA, they didnt go with a Microsoft solution.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Opera is small and fast
by Finalzone on Fri 12th May 2006 07:27 UTC in reply to "Opera is small and fast"
Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

Planetweb Browser for Dreamcast sucks until version 3 while Dream Passport is way better than the former on its time.
http://www.dricas.com/dp/

Reply Score: 1

user agent?
by Eugenia on Wed 10th May 2006 19:32 UTC
Eugenia
Member since:
2005-06-28

Anyone knows the user agents of the DS and Wii Opera browsers? To check the user agent you can visit this page with your nintendo browser: http://www.osnews.com/ua.php

Edited 2006-05-10 19:33

Reply Score: 5

Per unit royalty
by abdavidson on Thu 11th May 2006 03:21 UTC
abdavidson
Member since:
2005-07-06

I see on Operawatch they got over 3/4mill US$ to cover engineering/dev costs for the Wii/DS platforms and a per unit royalty.

I'm surely not the only one that would *love* to know what that is...

Reply Score: 1

HelloWorld82
Member since:
2005-08-27

which proprietary software does mozilla contain ?
(Ijust asking... )

Reply Score: 1

Nintendo chose to outsource
by seishino on Thu 11th May 2006 11:18 UTC
seishino
Member since:
2005-09-10

Nintendo is not a company notorious for doing things in-house. They generally hire external companies to do their dirty work, rather than staffing up. Japan has a tradition of hiring for life, means every time you bulk up you commit your company to the next 40 years.

They needed a browser for the DS. Opera is well known in the embedded realm as one of the smallest and least bad. Firefox would not have fit, and they had no obvious choices for people who would make it fit, so they went with Opera.

Now with the Wii they need a browser. They can either use established contacts at Opera, or they can try to find someone capable of adapting Firefox for it and worry about supporting two different browsers on two platforms. They chose to go with their DS browser provider. It seems like the right choice to me.

Reply Score: 2

good choice
by spikeb on Thu 11th May 2006 23:13 UTC
spikeb
Member since:
2006-01-18

opera is old hat at the whole embedded thing, so going with them makes perfect sense.

Reply Score: 1