Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 11th May 2006 19:18 UTC
Internet & Networking Plans for an area of the internet dedicated to pornography were killed last night in a vote by overseeing organisation ICANN. In a split 9-5 board decision, the organisation acted ruthlessly, against its own previous position, in order to put an end to an increasingly difficult and controversial issue - the approval of a .xxx top-level domain.
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by Kroc on Thu 11th May 2006 19:45 UTC
Kroc
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2005-11-10

I've never seen the point. How does a new TLD make room for more addresses when no sane normal company would want analgangbang.com anyway? Don't all the porn websites all have porn names to begin with?

Although introducing a .xxx would mean that hundreds, maybe thousands of companies would have to immediately buy up several extra domain names to protect their existing .com's from being shadowed by another company. And that adds up to lots of tax dollars ;)

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RE
by Ronald Vos on Fri 12th May 2006 23:30 UTC in reply to "RE"
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

I've never seen the point. How does a new TLD make room for more addresses when no sane normal company would want analgangbang.com anyway? Don't all the porn websites all have porn names to begin with?

Not necessarily. For example, Madonna.com was first used, supposedly in a non-cybersquatting manner, by an Italian porn company. I could name more examples, but I'd rather not here ;)

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SamuraiCrow
Member since:
2005-11-19

The idea of having a "red light district" on the internet seems like one idea of funneling porn into a single, easily blockable, TLD or face a fine. Who'd police the rest of the internet for porn, on the other hand, remains to be a bigger issue. There are already laws regulating use of cables to transmit smut that are underenforced here in the U.S. so why introduce another one? There should be better ways to police the internet against illegal porn than this.

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SamuraiCrow : Puhlease...gimme a break!
by 1c3d0g on Thu 11th May 2006 20:11 UTC
1c3d0g
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2005-07-06

Illegal Porn? Are you retarded or something? Since when did porn become illegal? ;)

And don't act all innocent now, we know you've watched porn on the Web, everybody has.

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leech Member since:
2006-01-10

Actually, there are lots of places where porn is illegal. Utah comes to mind first off. Secondly, there are 'types' of porn that are illegal everywhere, like child porn. In which case you should be beat into a bloody pulp for that stuff.

Just my opinion of course....

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raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

I for one have never watched porn on the internet. In fact, I don't think I have seen any type of shellfish on the web.

Wait, sorry, p o r n ? I thought you said prawn !

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SamuraiCrow Member since:
2005-11-19

And don't act all innocent now, we know you've watched porn on the Web, everybody has.

Not by choice. :-P

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seems like a great idea
by Imrahil on Thu 11th May 2006 20:45 UTC
Imrahil
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2006-05-11

It seems perfectly reasonable, yet the commercial interests involved are far too powerful. Our corrupt government says they want easier protection from smut yet they will do nothing about it.

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.gay
by Joe User on Thu 11th May 2006 20:54 UTC
Joe User
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2005-06-29

Why not a .gay extension?!
Gimme a break...

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RE: .gay
by raver31 on Fri 12th May 2006 05:27 UTC in reply to ".gay"
raver31 Member since:
2005-07-06

There cannot be a .gay extension purely for cultural reasons. Some people around the world think gay means the old defination of "being in a joyous state"
Those people would be in for a shock if .gay was to be allowed.

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.xxx is bad for 2 reasons...
by sigzero on Thu 11th May 2006 21:20 UTC
sigzero
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2006-01-03

#1 They can't force anyone into the .xxx domain, so instead of controlling where porn is they just create another TLD for porn to propagate to.

#2 WHO gets to decide what porn is?

Everyone has their own opinion of what porn is and isn't about so you could never get a consensus on #2.

The .xxx domain is a bad idea that should have been dropped and I am glad it was.

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Good move
by ronaldst on Thu 11th May 2006 21:23 UTC
ronaldst
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2005-06-29

in these backward times, it's good to see that there are still people who uphold decent core values.

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v RE: Good move
by Angel--Fr@gzill@ on Thu 11th May 2006 21:39 UTC in reply to "Good move"
RE: Good move
by DeadFishMan on Thu 11th May 2006 22:39 UTC in reply to "Good move"
DeadFishMan Member since:
2006-01-09

You did vote for G. W. Bush, didn't you?

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RE[2]: Good move
by sigzero on Fri 12th May 2006 00:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Good move"
sigzero Member since:
2006-01-03

Yes, because we all know it is just a Republican issue. Oh wait, it isn't. It is a morals issue.

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RE[3]: Good move
by Bending Unit on Fri 12th May 2006 05:02 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Good move"
Bending Unit Member since:
2005-07-06

Reading your comments, it seems it is a US issue. "Decent core values", "ugly", "immoral". That's f--ked up.

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But
by joelito_pr on Thu 11th May 2006 22:49 UTC
joelito_pr
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2005-07-07

What If I'm a webdesigner who wants a domain like linu.xxx, or all.uni.xxx?

I mean, sure it's meant for porn but the sufix can have some very interesting legitimate uses

Edited 2006-05-11 22:50

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RE: But
by elsewhere on Fri 12th May 2006 03:48 UTC in reply to "But"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

What If I'm a webdesigner who wants a domain like linu.xxx, or all.uni.xxx?

Well, if you were interested in generating traffic, you'd effectively be locking yourself out of viewers trying to access from public schools, institutions and most likely anywhere in Utah.

I mean, sure it's meant for porn but the sufix can have some very interesting legitimate uses

Ay, carumba! You're implying porn isn't legitimate?

Many of the things we take for granted on the net today were driven by and pioneered by porn. Online porn drove streaming media, e-comm, webchat, conferencing, traffic management etc. I strongly suspect porn drove adoption of broadband for residential customers. For years, porn sites were the only ones figuring out how to make money on the web, and to this day still represent one of the largest chunks of e-comm transactions today.

Hell, back in the day companies like Cisco would "unofficially" test new gear on popular porn sites because they were the one sure source of real-world high load web traffic.

You don't have to enjoy porn to respect what it has done for us all. ;)

/tongue-in-cheek-but-ironically-true

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RE[2]: But
by joelito_pr on Fri 12th May 2006 04:56 UTC in reply to "RE: But"
joelito_pr Member since:
2005-07-07

then i should have specified, "othe legitimate uses" I didn't meant to imply that the porn industry was not legigtimate.

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RE[2]: But
by poohgee on Sun 14th May 2006 15:43 UTC in reply to "RE: But"
poohgee Member since:
2005-08-13

-> < Porn develops the web we so love ;) >

Amen - ;) - very neccessary post & true .

"xxx" - domain ?

Hmmm I think as said before that this something which should have been pushed years ago in order to categorize websites by their suffix .

BTW is there a ".god" - that would sell well .

Endings for all the differents beliefs & opinions out there ;)

Actually cant we simply get rid of that system & have descriptive names for sites for example ?

No http or slashes or www or all these suffixes ... its really looking a bit dated to my eyes .

:)

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Why are the anti-porn brigade against this?
by Dave_K on Thu 11th May 2006 23:44 UTC
Dave_K
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2005-11-16

I've never understood why they're so against .xxx when it could potentially make it easier to control access to those sites. If they don't want their kids browsing playboy.com, wouldn't creating a porn ghetto on the Internet be a step in the right direction?

I'm sure they'd prefer to wipe pornography off the planet entirely, but while there's so much demand for it that's rather unlikely to happen. Is this just a knee-jerk reaction to anything vaguely porn related?

Maybe without .xxx it's easier for them to stick their heads in the sand and pretend that internet pornography doesn't exist, and isn't actually a multi-million dollar business.

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sigzero Member since:
2006-01-03

Did you read any of the posts before yours?

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v ICANN can eat my short
by werfu on Thu 11th May 2006 23:56 UTC
v RE: ICANN can eat my short
by sigzero on Fri 12th May 2006 00:10 UTC in reply to "ICANN can eat my short"
RE[2]: ICANN can eat my short
by CrimsonScythe on Fri 12th May 2006 00:39 UTC in reply to "RE: ICANN can eat my short"
CrimsonScythe Member since:
2005-07-10

Yeah, because they're doing such a bad job with for instance the international phone system? Or are you just giving us a typical ignorant american "all about UN sucks" comment? (I'm not trolling here, but I just haven't seen anyone but americans make these statements.)

I'd suggest you familiarize yourself a bit with what the UN actually does, and maybe look into those "scandals" you were thinking of. If I read your post correctly, that is...

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RE[3]: ICANN can eat my short
by andrewg on Fri 12th May 2006 05:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: ICANN can eat my short"
andrewg Member since:
2005-07-06

Okay, I am not american. I am sure they do some reasonable work? But I really can't think of anything I would pick the UN to manage.

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RE[4]: ICANN can eat my short
by Midnightbrewer on Sat 13th May 2006 01:48 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: ICANN can eat my short"
Midnightbrewer Member since:
2005-08-02

Maybe not the UN, but there definitely needs to be some sort of international oversight on the internet, rather than the US only. This whole "net neutrality" argument is bad enough, but it really puts egg on America's face if ISP's are allowed to create a tiered internet. If they really were doing a good job of managing the internet in everybody's best interest, it wouldn't even be an issue.

To be fair, the ISP partitioning scheme hasn't kicked in yet. If it does, though, I think US oversight should be yanked at that point.

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RE: ICANN can eat my short
by Robocoastie on Fri 12th May 2006 07:54 UTC in reply to "ICANN can eat my short"
Robocoastie Member since:
2005-09-15

werfu said: "those fagets have been bought by the pr0n industry and at the same time the stupid religous right wing. While creating a red light disctrict and enforcing porn to the XXX domain they could have had a great deal for child protection."

Me: that's actually not true at all. In the late 90's a guy (forgive me I don't recall his name) in Seattle that had the nickname at the time "the king of net porn" first proposed the idea of a "red light district" on the net to congress. So the porn industry actually are the ones who WANTED this. They know there's more than enough people who will legitimately/legally use it so there's no need for them to attract minors etc...

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admirable comments as usual
by ronaldst on Fri 12th May 2006 00:14 UTC
ronaldst
Member since:
2005-06-29

Im sure the ppl from the prostitution industry will leave the other places to come to .xxx...

BTW that was sarcasm

.xxx won't do crap to control porn on the 'Net.

IMO there shouldn't even be more than .org, .com and .net.

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that would actually have been cool
by tilde on Fri 12th May 2006 01:03 UTC
tilde
Member since:
2005-11-15

to bad everything that makes sense is not done, and everything that is pointless is.

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.xxx is trying to solve te problem backwards
by theorz on Fri 12th May 2006 01:48 UTC
theorz
Member since:
2006-01-08

This entire idea of creating a domain then forcing people showing/saying things that you don't agree with onto it is backwards.

If you want to create a place where everyone lives by your standards create a gated community. If instead of wasting all this time trying to create a .xxx tld they created a .safe tld and only let sites they approve of onto it they would actually have something today. Parents could use a filter to only allow sites in the .safe domain and be confident that their children are not viewing porn.

Two groups have different views on what is safe, no problem. Each of them can have their own community that lives up to their own standards.

The problem is the people pushing for a .xxx tld are not interested in creating something useful. They are interested in forcing their beliefs onto other people. How else can you explain their choice to pursue the most invasive least practical solution

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RE[3]: ICANN can eat my short
by Soulbender on Fri 12th May 2006 04:39 UTC
Soulbender
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2005-08-18

"Yeah, because they're doing such a bad job with for instance the international phone system?"

You are confusing UN with ITU.

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Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

"Illegal Porn? Are you retarded or something? Since when did porn become illegal? ;) "

Porn is illegal in many countries.

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RE: that would actually have been cool
by Soulbender on Fri 12th May 2006 05:00 UTC
Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

Onthe contrary, abandoning the .xxx domain idea is not pointless. .xxx would never have worked for numerous reasons:

1) Existing pornsites will not relocate to a new, much more expensive domain.
2) You would have to get a universal agreement with ALL registrars and ccTLD's that they force "porn sites" to use .xxx domains. You'd also have to get them all to agree on a common definition of "porn", see 3.
3) Who decides what's porn? Different countries have different views and legislation on this and if you would cater to them all any site that showed even a nipple would be "porn".
More importantly, where do you draw the line? Some governments consider democracy a "dangerous idea". Should we create a .democracy domain so that they easily can block it?

The .xxx proposal was stupid from the start and it's a good thing ICANN has finally had the sense to drop it.

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porn?
by lighans on Fri 12th May 2006 07:34 UTC
lighans
Member since:
2006-01-14

It's not that new, but reading the story at the registry it looks like internet related thing are introduced in US. Has that been the same for other TLDs, like .com of .co.uk, etc?

Although I think PORN is made to do something with te mind and body in erotic ways, there was nothing in this article that gets me excited. :-)

It's quite known that the most conservative places in the western world are the biggest sellers of PORN-related material. Maybe the .xxx domain was ment to find stuff faster....

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MamiyaOtaru
Member since:
2005-11-11

Actually, there are lots of places where porn is illegal. Utah comes to mind first off.

No surprise there. Though it's also not a surprise that you're using a bit of hyperbole ;)

TFL states: Upon request by a consumer, a service provider may not transmit material from a content provider site listed on the adult content registry.

There are doubts about whether it is constitutional for sure, but it hardly bans the stuff from the state. Upon request by a consumer is the relevant part. It would then be blocked from that consumer (as per his/her request) but not from everyone else, unless they all made the request too. Of course it's all totally infeasible lol. Just saying you're exaggerating the truth a tad.


Anyway, it's really interesting to see how this debate has swung around. A half year or so ago, the prevailing sentiment seemed to be that the ICANN (and USA) were a bunch of prudes for not allowing a .xxx TLD. "You have the .xxx backwards - it was actually a good idea, shot down by the US government because it offended their christian ethics." for example. ( http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=168444&threshold=1&commentsort=...

It's been really amusing to see the consensus swing over to people assuming the prudes want .xxx so they can control it better. Whichever it is, an argument could be made that the US is the center of the porniverse, perhaps all the charges of prudery are somewhat misplaced. Or one can at least be pretty certain the prudery isn't leading to censorship.

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Flatline Member since:
2006-03-06

"an argument could be made that the US is the center of the porniverse"

If you haven't trademarked "porniverse", maybe you should ;)

I'm disturbed, by the way, at the amount of anti-US sentiment in this thread. Not all US citizens drive enormous SUVs to WalMart while eating a Big Mac, waving a gun in the air, shouting "I love Bush" and killing middle Eastern children for oil, so hold off on the hatred a bit.

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bryanv Member since:
2005-08-26

Well put.

I for one, haven't really liked it here the last 6 years. This isn't the way I want my countrymen to act.

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Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

"I'm disturbed, by the way, at the amount of anti-US sentiment in this thread."

Really? I'm surprised at how little there is. I had expect a lot more of the usual anti-US, anti-Europe and anti-UN flamefests.
I guess everyone's busy with the (micro/exo/monolithic)kernel flamefests.

Edited 2006-05-12 14:22

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poohgee Member since:
2005-08-13

+ADD

The one million

I hate / used to hate / might enjoy if / love / fell in love with / no loonger recommend / sucks / is the best

... Mac-OSX "articles" - if not mere blogs .

:)

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US right wing Christians working For Porn?
by vasper on Fri 12th May 2006 14:26 UTC
vasper
Member since:
2005-07-22

Imagine how easier parental control would be if there was an .xxx top level domain and laws said all porn sites would have to be hosted on .xxx !!! Are those right-wing Chirstians crazy or just plain stupid?

.name is used for only names... why shouldn't .xxx be used only for xxx?

Edited 2006-05-12 14:31

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Soulbender
Member since:
2005-08-18

Read the previous replies, .xxx wouldnt work for a number of reasons.

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RE: .xxx is bad for 2 reasons...
by Tuishimi on Fri 12th May 2006 15:55 UTC
Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

re: #2? What? Since when did the World Health Organization get to decide what Porn is?!?!

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Tuishimi
Member since:
2005-07-06

Heh! Funny.

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Good choice guys??
by Edward on Fri 12th May 2006 18:26 UTC
Edward
Member since:
2005-09-17

Why don't they want this? It would be easy to block porn, just block .xxx. Maybe they like kids doing reports on the whitehouse, & putting in a certain adress to get porn by mistake. I just don't understand the goverment sometimes.

Edited 2006-05-12 18:27

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