Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 17th May 2006 00:57 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless As promised, Nokia announces today the 2006 OS update for the 770 Internet Tablet adding Google Talk, a full screen finger keyboard, improved memory performance, and new refreshed look. Additional applets have also been added for faster access to internet services.
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Nokai 700
by digitaldisaster on Wed 17th May 2006 01:24 UTC
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2006-01-02

The 770 just keeps on getting better, I'm not regretting investing in one at all. The huge range of software available for it and the openess of the whole system makes it a clear Palm/PocketPC/Symbian beater for me. I didn't know it had a microphone though...

Edited 2006-05-17 01:32

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RE: Nokia 770
by Eugenia on Wed 17th May 2006 01:26 UTC in reply to "Nokai 700"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Because it was not used in the first version of the firmware, it was not mentioned in the manual. But yes, there is a mic, it's the little hole at the bottom of the device.

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RE[2]: Nokia 770
by digitaldisaster on Wed 17th May 2006 01:30 UTC in reply to "RE: Nokia 770"
digitaldisaster Member since:
2006-01-02

Cool, I just did a bit of googling and the headphone jack can take hands free headsets it seems so you can add a mic that way as well. I guess you could also use a bluetooth headset if software support for that was added

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GT goodness
by Symgeosis on Wed 17th May 2006 03:23 UTC
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2005-09-13

I am *really* excited about the Googletalk client being on the 770. I hope this means we can expect to see a public release of the client for the rest of the Linux community.

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RE: GT goodness
by _LH_ on Wed 17th May 2006 06:07 UTC in reply to "GT goodness"
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2005-07-20

>I am *really* excited about the Googletalk client being on the 770. I hope this means we can expect to see a public release of the client for the rest of the Linux community.

Nokia says their client is based on libjingle so just make your own client: http://code.google.com/apis/talk/index.html

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RE[2]: GT goodness
by Dekkard on Wed 17th May 2006 13:40 UTC in reply to "GT goodness"
Dekkard Member since:
2006-01-07

try gajim. As I have been led to understand it.. googletalk uses the jabber protocol..gajim works for me.

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RE: GT goodness
by kaiwai on Wed 17th May 2006 05:11 UTC
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2005-07-06

Why do you need a 'google talk client' when there are perfectly able Jabber clients out there that work without a hitch.

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RE[2]: GT goodness
by Terracotta on Wed 17th May 2006 08:51 UTC in reply to "RE: GT goodness"
Terracotta Member since:
2005-08-15

It works, but the TALK part doesn't work yet under any linux client. I hope a video part of the protocoll is being developed as well.

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RE[3]: GT goodness
by RenatoRam on Wed 17th May 2006 10:29 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: GT goodness"
RenatoRam Member since:
2005-11-14

Tapioca is a linux gTalk voice enabled IM.

And PSI has a devel version working with libjingle.

Just wait a couple of months :-)

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RE[2]: GT goodness
by VirAkaForte on Wed 17th May 2006 13:42 UTC in reply to "RE: GT goodness"
VirAkaForte Member since:
2006-02-08

"Why do you need a 'google talk client' when there are perfectly able Jabber clients out there that work without a hitch."

yeah.. why create msn when there is a perfectly good icq protocol out there..
why create anything new?
why create linux when there are a already working(kinda) windows system on the market?

Edited 2006-05-17 13:42

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great screen and OS but.........
by REMF on Wed 17th May 2006 05:24 UTC
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Member since:
2006-02-05

are their any plans to create a version with a:
> beefier CPU
> nVidia GoForce 5500 GPU/APU
> SD expansion slot

then i will have to buy one!

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RE: great screen and OS but.........
by nzjrs on Wed 17th May 2006 05:49 UTC in reply to "great screen and OS but........."
nzjrs Member since:
2006-01-02

you mean to turn the 770 into a completely different device? perhaps a desktop pc?

Kudos to nokia for sticking with the 770. I think it has the potential and I also like that nokia is giving back to FOSS

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ChiliJ Member since:
2005-08-12

LOL.

But the beefier cpu and expansion slot does makes sense..

I don't care about phone features in this type of device, but I hope the next generation will have 3G support too.

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hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

it have bluetooth, get yourself a 3G phone with that and presto...

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ChiliJ Member since:
2005-08-12

Yeah, however, from Eugenia's earlier review in this site, 770's bluetooth integration with other devices is not that great..

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hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

it all depends on what devices you try it with i think.

basicly its linux at the core, so im guessing that its using the linux bluetooth driver. but if the device at the other end is troublesome (i have found that nokia phones can behave strangely when it comes to bluetooth) there is nothing you can do.

still, i much prefer bluetooth over having to trow away a whole device each time there is a updated phone system in place. but its a matter of preference. i dont recall what devices she tested it with right now...

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ChiliJ Member since:
2005-08-12

Agree with your idea.

Hope the next generation will have stunning bluetooth integration capabilities! .. and hope 3G phones will start becoming cheaper.

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hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

did some digging and it looks like atleast the original 770 firmware came with the device in a permanent state of non-discovery and non-connectivity.

ie, if the 770 didnt initiate the bluetooth connection, the phone may not even know its there. there was allso some strangeness around file transfers. but then that does not surprise me. while my rather aged T610 shows all files i have on it over bluetooth, allways, my sisters samsung have the ability to have each file tagged as downloadable or not. and it defaults to not on new pictures and stuff like that.

basicly it seems there is enough wiggle-space in how the bluetooth protocol can be managed that pairing can be hit and miss, at best.

would be interesting if eugenia would do a new review of the 770 with the latest firmware, to see if some of the original problems got cleared up.

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digitaldisaster Member since:
2006-01-02

The 770 uses a TI OMAP processor like many smartphones do. This has an ARM9 core and . There are newer OMAP processors with faster ARM11 cores at higher clock rates and 2D/3D accelerated GPUs based on the same PowerVR MBX core used in Kyro Graphics Cards and the Dreamcast. These also have DSPs cores intergrated to rmove the need for a seperate baseband processor in a smartphone.

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Virtual mem
by konttori on Wed 17th May 2006 08:08 UTC
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2005-11-14

This may sound like a small thing for every hacker out there, but it also seems like the new release will bring along official support for virtual mem, which is a pretty nice thing to have on such a low mem device.

"Option for extended virtual memory (RS-MMC up to 1 GB)"
[source]
http://europe.nokia.com/nokia/0,,75023,00.html

This makes it quite a bit more capable device indeed.

Oh, and also the fullscreen finger kb is a welcome addition.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/content/view/177/2/

Edited 2006-05-17 08:10

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RE: Virtual mem
by hobgoblin on Wed 17th May 2006 16:15 UTC in reply to "Virtual mem"
hobgoblin Member since:
2005-07-06

just hope all the writing dont burn out the flash card...

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RE: Virtual mem
by tsuraan on Thu 18th May 2006 02:37 UTC in reply to "Virtual mem"
tsuraan Member since:
2006-01-16

Yeah, I've enabled swap on my 770 (there's a page on the applications page detailing how to use the MMC card as a real extension to the device). It works decently, but don't remove the MMC if you have swap on it ;) It makes things angry...

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RE: great screen and OS but.........
by REMF on Wed 17th May 2006 19:00 UTC
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2006-02-05

"you mean to turn the 770 into a completely different device? perhaps a desktop pc?"

how so? having good 3D accelerated video and sound would be a good thing.
having a useful expansion slot would also be nice.

"LOL.
But the beefier cpu and expansion slot does makes sense..
I don't care about phone features in this type of device, but I hope the next generation will have 3G support too."

and a GoForce 5500 chip does not.........?
remember, i am talking about the gOforce mobile appliance chips and not the gEforce desktop variants...........

"The 770 uses a TI OMAP processor like many smartphones do. This has an ARM9 core and . There are newer OMAP processors with faster ARM11 cores at higher clock rates and 2D/3D accelerated GPUs based on the same PowerVR MBX core used in Kyro Graphics Cards and the Dreamcast. These also have DSPs cores intergrated to rmove the need for a seperate baseband processor in a smartphone."

cheers for the info.
but i would prefer a GoForce 5500 chip, maybe thats just me, but Q3 at 800x480 sounds like a ball, especially with hi-def sound.

Edited 2006-05-17 19:02

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posting from my 770
by slashdev on Wed 17th May 2006 20:47 UTC
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2006-05-14

this thing is awesome. oready for wifi out of tthe box. easy to set uup and the screen rrealestate is perfect for surfing!

my first grip though is the version of flash, it comes with flash 6 and the rss news app is a bit slow.

Browser: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; ; Linux armv5tejl; U) Opera 8.02 [en] N770/SU-18_0.2006.04-1_PR

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install kde
by collinm on Thu 18th May 2006 00:02 UTC
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2005-07-15

can we install kde on this machine?

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RE: install kde
by tsuraan on Thu 18th May 2006 02:42 UTC in reply to "install kde"
tsuraan Member since:
2006-01-16

I'm pretty sure the hardware can support it, but it would be a lot of work. Nokia's done some really nice integration stuff with the maemo API and the (extremely) limited set of buttons the 770 has, so KDE would have to be modified to support that. Qt does have an embedded version that can run directly on a framebuffer, and Linux can support the OMAP video in fb mode, so a properly motivated person might be able to port KDE to the 770. I don't think anyone's working on it though.

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