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apple's one of microsoft's better friends I'd think. consider that MS provides the office suite that's on the most macs (a guess, but a fairly safe one I'd think). and now, they've even provided a way to install microsoft's operating system on their hardware...

microsoft already won round one of the desktop battle (not necessarily on technical merits of course, but figures like 90odd% do attest that they did something right in the stricly business sense. the future of course is yet to be seen) the server area on the other hand is one that they've desperately trying to get in on, and easily linux is the main barrier there (yeah yeah, I know, they do have a pretty substantial presence already. but it certainly isn't the 90some percent like the desktop, and MS isn't known for liking to compete in a balanced and level playing field)

Don't know where you've been but they haven't been exactly keeping their darkest fears a secret.

http://www.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB20010110S0006

You must live in the pee cee world.


Linux is a not only a serious threat but is actually hurting microsoft in many areas of the server/non-desktop market.

Actually, I think most of the source of Linux's success on the server has been at the expense of traditional Unices, such as AIX and HP-UX, as has Windows advances in the server space

linux have taken over more and more of the good old big irons yes. there is allso the clustering enviroment. and webservers (this is where linux got its start, below apache, on cheap x86 hardware).

microsoft's contribution to the server room is exchange on top of windows NT, and now active directory. to get there they "bested" novell. the same novell thats not pusing suse linux along with their own brand of linux distro.

i dont see microsoft doing much movement towards big irons or clusters. but they are aiming for the webserver space. and thats realy where the linux distros and the microsoft products are facing off...

I don't think anyone over at MS is losing any sleep over Linux. OSS perhaps, but not Linux (as in the kernel) itself.

What OSS? Microsoft isn't losing any sleep over OSS desktop. It's the server side that Microsoft is battling Unix with. Proprietary Unix is gone for the most part, and now it's Solaris, BSD, Linux, and Windows fighting on that front.

Yeah, he seems to have put on a few pounds.

Anyone ever wonder how rich he actually got?
I mean, we can all check on BillG's wealth with a few clicks.

>Yeah, he seems to have put on a few pounds.

Wife + Kids + Family + Job + Boss + lots of travel + finnish love of beer = DUH.

When we first got to know Linus he was a poor single graduate student who spent more time in the university college lab than sleeping, and had little time or money for eating after all....he has a bit of a different life now.

Don't forget to factor in American junkfood. We got more fast food joints and more kinds of food guaranteed to make you fat (if it doesn't kill you) than probably the rest of the world combined. Also there's the age factor. From 30 on, if you're not watching what you eat and exercising, most people do start getting round and it just gets worse from there.

I think you meant 20 because that's when people typically begin to gain adult weight..
Maybe the last generation had this problem at 30?

Mine started hitting me around 25. I'm skinny everywhere but between my ribcage and my belt. And I don't drink alcoholic beverages either. For me, it's a combination of genetics, lack of good exercise and a sit-down desk job.

When we first got to know Linus he was a poor single graduate student who spent more time in the university college lab than sleeping, and had little time or money for eating after all....he has a bit of a different life now.

i prefer the single, thin, free, graduate student life instead. now that explanies linus bad attitude sometimes. I say get married late while in the mean time make a load of cash and spend, spend spend date supermodels like bill gates well he did not actually went on a spending spree nor dated models but he did make a load of cash.

i prefer the single, thin, free, graduate student life instead. now that explanies linus bad attitude sometimes. I say get married late while in the mean time make a load of cash and spend, spend spend date supermodels like bill gates well he did not actually went on a spending spree nor dated models but he did make a load of cash.


I assume the person who modded my score down to zero thinks others wise. but we are all free to choose our own kind of lifestyle.unless we all live in a socalist country where we all fall in the pit of fire together. i want to know why was my score modded to zero? what is wrong with making alot of cash and studying and going out?

I didn't mod you down but,
I don't think college effects at all except making more connections. Maybe you mean that he should work for a college research lab more in the background. They really are doing, as much or more, in the invention department latley then companies. The companies bring it to market. He may not like the limelight that the dektop brings.
Mark Shuttleworth likes it allot though.
Still on the cellphone he is more poipular then MS I think.

Care to elaborate?

He favors KDE over GNOME, with a derogation post.

I personally just encourage people to switch to KDE. This “users are idiots, and are confused by functionality” mentality of Gnome is a disease. If you think your users are idiots, only idiots will use it. I don’t use Gnome, because in striving to be simple, it has long since reached the point where it simply doesn’t do what I need it to do. Please, just tell people to use KDE.

http://chucker.mystfans.com/2005/12/13/linus-hates-gnome.entry

What does that statement have to do with the Linux kernel and neutrality in that respect? He doesn't maintain desktop environment integration into the Linux kernel.

He is neutral where he is supposed to be neutral. If he gave preference to a kernel developer over the rest you could question his neutrality. The point of the desktop environment doesn't pertain here and hence is moot.

"Interview doesn't really live up this description. It was similar to many other Linus interviews and didn't offer much in the way of personal insight."

I agree, a very generic feel with no vision. Very blasé.
LINUX is pretty generic though. I duel boot WindowsXPPro/Linux. With all the craziness of Bill Gates, I still think he offers a decent, if not morally skewed sometimes, vision.
He is a programmer and not a philosopher though and lately the future has been very unpredictable. I agree we are in the 'Live' era and Bill Gates mentioned how the CD/DVD was dead a while back but then brought up how we need it and is important lately, so a lot of conflicting messages there. Plus Bill doesn't really understand the idea of the purist aspect of coding C/C++, it seems (although he uses it for his .NET CLR), so I am a little miffed at that. Because of such a tyrannical closed mentality they have driven forward with .NET forgetting their roots. On the other hand, Linux can get puritanical, though.

I still like the Windows DIRECT feel with the properties tab menus for each file, instead of KDE's: everything located in the system menu. You feel like you have more power there. Linux still has that central communal servery (co-dependent) feel and Linus always referring to open source software as community based doesn't help break that non-capitalist sentiment to me. I still am a believer in the American way of an individual being the main inventor while depending on the community for competition to keep his ass in line. It's called capitalism.
Just because something is open source doesn't mean it's not capitalist. I still have the thought it offered more competition in a free market.

Today people don't really need new invention there looking for innovation, efficiency and stability so something generic got very popular. I think it's a good thing but I still like Windows although I still want it open sourced so I can see their patches and fix that dang thing properly when it breaks.

2.Windows is the no.1 server now.

From the article:

The trend of Microsoft besting Unix appears to be accelerating, noted IDC. Windows server sales climbed 4.7 percent in the fourth quarter of 2005, year-over-year, while Unix server revenues dropped 5 percent. Linux, meanwhile, posted double-digit year-over-year growth: fourth quarter 2005's numbers were 20.8 percent higher than 2004's.

Hmmm. Unix isn't losing out to Windows, it's losing out to Linux, which is outpacing both in sales growth. Which also doesn't take into account the deployments of non-commercial linux, since they're not measured. I'll also refrain from pointing out that linux solutions tend to be cheaper in price than Unix or Microsoft solutions, so revenue numbers are in no way indicative of unit sales, which I would consider to be a more relevant indicator.

Microsoft can enjoy a hollow victory if you want, I'd say those numbers are actually stronger vindication for linux in the data center. But then again, it's strength and capability there is never really questioned by anyone but the most diehard and misdirected Redmond revisionists.

Come on, that view doesn't reflect real life, and you proberly know it. So please don't write it, just to p*** people off.

I hear some "resistance is futile, you will soon be assimilated". (-:

Oh, I didn't BUY a linux distro, I downloaded it for free and using it, very happily. On the other hand I hear a lot of people who STEAL some Windows and using it, very happily. If Windows wanted to protect itself better, than Linux would gain some interest.