Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 10th Jun 2006 16:50 UTC
Apple A few weeks ago, I wrote in my weekly column about people like Dvorak, whom I accused of writing sensationalistic articles just for ad revenue. For most of us, that was a prime example of kicking in open doors. Since those doors are all kicked in now anyway, Dvorak now actually has admitted that he writes controversal articles for the sole puprose of ad revenue. And it got taped.
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sensational
by MattK on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:06 UTC
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2005-11-14

That's a pretty sensational post Thom. ;-) Trying to generate ad revenue?

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RE: sensational
by Kroc on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:54 UTC in reply to "sensational"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I suspect most OSNews readers are using Firefox with adblock anyway, and OSNews only ever advertises Crucial anyway ;)

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RE: sensational
by MattK on Sun 11th Jun 2006 01:13 UTC in reply to "sensational"
MattK Member since:
2005-11-14

BTW, Thom, eugenia and the gang. Pure sarcasm from my post above.

I think you guys are doing a great job with the site. Keep it up.

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Not surprising
by Celerate on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:07 UTC
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2005-06-29

This won't surprise most people, it's long been public opinion that Dvorak was just spewing brown matter for cash.

Also, the video is down, the story hit /. only two hours after OSNews. Fortunately, someone on /. put up this link to a torrent of the video: http://s3.amazonaws.com/scripting/dvorak.mov?torrent

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RE: Not surprising
by MonkeyPie on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:15 UTC in reply to "Not surprising"
MonkeyPie Member since:
2005-07-06

Yes, and thank God for that tool of pirates too. I had been trying to download the video until I happened upon the Slashdot link. Nice speedy seeds too.

Bittorrent though "evil" does a great job at what it was designed to do.

(Please recognize the sarcasm...)

JRM7

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RE[2]: Not surprising
by rayiner on Sat 10th Jun 2006 18:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Not surprising"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Holy crap. 20MB downloaded as soon as I opened the torrent. Wow.

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And what ?
by Duffman on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:11 UTC
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2005-11-23

On OSNews there is always troll news for ad revenue.

I am just waiting you to admit that you post troll news for sole purpose of ad revenue ...

Edited 2006-06-10 17:12

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RE: And what ?
by Thom_Holwerda on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:16 UTC in reply to "And what ?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

I am just waiting you to admit that you post troll news for sole purpose of ad revenue ...

As said a million times-- OSNews doesn't get ad revenue. All our "revenue" from ads (which is not at all a lot of money) goes directly to the server guy. We, as in, Eugenia, David, Adam, and I, get zero, squat from it.

It's all volunteer work.

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RE[2]: And what ?
by Celerate on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:21 UTC in reply to "RE: And what ?"
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

PSSST! Guys! The bandwidth cost this month is going to be higher than normal. See if you can kick up some dirt and being in a little extra dough.

Just joking :-)

Sorry Thom, I know there's already enough people making accusations.

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RE[2]: And what ?
by Kroc on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:56 UTC in reply to "RE: And what ?"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I think the quality of the site, moderation system, speed and good advert placement prooves what you say anyway. But then there's always people who like the sound of their own voice. J.C.D included.

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RE[2]: And what ?
by vikramsharma on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:56 UTC in reply to "RE: And what ?"
vikramsharma Member since:
2005-07-06

Thanks for doing such a wonderful job keeping us informed, I did not know it was all volunteer work. Keep up the good work guys.

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RE: And what ?
by samad on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:43 UTC in reply to "And what ?"
samad Member since:
2006-03-31

I don't think OS News staff don't have bloated salaries and dubious careers on Tech TV

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RE[2]: And what ?
by samad on Sat 10th Jun 2006 17:49 UTC in reply to "RE: And what ?"
samad Member since:
2006-03-31

Oh yeah, and Dvorak's incredulous "journalism" (I use the term lightly) is only exceeded by his pejorative articles.

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O gee, and look at that
by jeffbax on Sat 10th Jun 2006 18:25 UTC
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2005-07-27

Every site in the universe posting this stupid f--king article.

If you guys keep posting them, they just get the same attention.

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Why?
by mipeligro on Sat 10th Jun 2006 18:26 UTC
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2006-06-03

If the guy's that bad, stop paying attention to him.

Anything else is just feeding the troll, no?

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RE: Why?
by klynch on Sat 10th Jun 2006 22:52 UTC in reply to "Why?"
klynch Member since:
2005-07-06

Yeah, but he doesn't look quite like a ad revenue generating fool to other ad revenue generating fools who have strings to pull...

If he's not exposed then other people will just keep listening. That and the bashing is kind of entertainment.

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People...
by kaiwai on Sun 11th Jun 2006 01:37 UTC
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2005-07-06

People are giving Dvorak a hard time, but are his silly little 'rants for ad revenue' and different to the so-called 'studies' by the Yankie Group, IDC, and the likes; so-called promises of "Itanium shipments by 2008 will be worth $10billion" and other fanciful tea-leaf readings and "Windows NT will replace UNIX"? neither have happened, and yet, we have MBA wizzkids, running businesses into the ground, taking these soothsayers words as if they held more weight than my prediction that America's top export by 2050 will be pink fluffy bunny rabbits.

UNIX is still alive and kicking, Itanium is stuck in a niche, and Windows NT is still being laughed at like the uncoordinated kid on the sports team.

As for this site, I doubt that Thom has the time to organise a complicated network of trolls to target this site and cause problems; unfortunately for every one good post, there are a whole heap of wankers out there who seem to have converted to a new technology and have become the born again zealot; the Linux user who has used Linux for 3 months, but been a windows zealot since year dot; the so-called 'computer expert' whose only exposure to IT is via a PC loaded with Windows XP; the so-called Mac expert whose technical expertise goes no further than to bitch about consistancy and wanking on about how MacOS is based on FreeBSD (which is completely incorrect).

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RE: People...
by the_leander on Sun 11th Jun 2006 12:47 UTC in reply to "People..."
the_leander Member since:
2005-07-01

@Kaiwai

I do believe you've made the post of the month with that one.

"Windows NT is still being laughed at like the uncoordinated kid on the sports team. "

Still chuckling at that!

Edited 2006-06-11 12:47

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RE: People...
by MikeekiM on Sun 11th Jun 2006 14:49 UTC in reply to "People..."
MikeekiM Member since:
2005-11-16

Like this is news...

Don't forget Limbaugh and Kooky Coulter.
Without spewing BS they'd be out on the street,
instead of walking the street metaphorically.

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Dvorak
by nealsaferstein on Sun 11th Jun 2006 03:08 UTC
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2006-06-03

Life would not be fun without him!

Neal Saferstein
Neal Saferstein

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Have you all lost sight of the fact...
by bolomkxxviii on Sun 11th Jun 2006 11:40 UTC
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2006-05-19

Dvorak gets paid to write. Anyone who thinks his articles are purely his opinion needs to come back to Earth. It is just entertainment. If you are not entertained by his stuff, quit reading it. The rest of us will continue to enjoy what he writes and will take it with a grain of salt like we always have. Until there is an "open source" movement in writing, the people cutting the paychecks will continue to decide what gets written and when. It is called capitalism. Enough of a rant.

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Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

You must mean "without cost" and not "open source." There is plenty of free writing available on the Internet. Things like blogs, web forums, usenet, and so forth. If anything, directly paid authorship is probably the minority on the Internet. The nature of the content differs in some cases, but considering that Dvorak is not a particularly imaginative polemic being different can only be a benefit.

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Confirmation
by Sphinx on Sun 11th Jun 2006 17:04 UTC
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2005-07-09

Nice to have confirmation on what we've known all along, Dvorak's column isn't even suitable for wrapping fish.

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v Ugh
by marcushe on Sun 11th Jun 2006 18:37 UTC
RE: Ugh
by libray on Mon 12th Jun 2006 10:42 UTC in reply to "Ugh"
libray Member since:
2005-08-27

If the sole bases for him generating revenu is based on the information here about his Mac antics, then why is it now all of a sudden something big? Dvorak has been writing predictions since the early days in PC Mag. I remember he made the (informed?) prediction that software would stop using version numbering schemes and instead use years for their model. This was when Windows 3.11 was the king of the block and we had already lived through years of software using the same cumbersome scheme. Yes, if that was entertainment, then it was good entertainment as I did see his point and the coming evolution even though that era is now passing.

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So what?
by JeffS on Mon 12th Jun 2006 16:56 UTC
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2005-07-12

Isn't getting hits, and generating ad revenue, what your series "What sucks about DEs" all about?

I mean, the rants in this series are otherwise rather pointless, aren't they?

Sure, a little constructive criticism can help improve things.

But just look at the comment count for those articles.

Well done, Thom, with your Dvorak strategy!! ;-)

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RE: So what?
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 12th Jun 2006 23:36 UTC in reply to "So what?"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Read this comment: http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=14864&comment_id=132306

Then you'll understand 'getting hits' or ad revenue is of no interest to us.

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Why not?
by nealsaferstein on Tue 13th Jun 2006 02:25 UTC
nealsaferstein
Member since:
2006-06-03

This is completely scary, now you have to worry that any of than you say can be filmed by a cell phone and posted on the net. Does anybody see the vast problems and room for abuse.

Neal Saferstein

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RE[2]: People...
by Soulbender on Tue 13th Jun 2006 06:43 UTC
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2005-08-18

"People are giving Dvorak a hard time, but are his silly little 'rants for ad revenue' and different to the so-called 'studies' by the Yankie Group, IDC, and the likes"

No, they're all assholes.

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Overall Precentage?
by nealsaferstein on Thu 15th Jun 2006 15:56 UTC
nealsaferstein
Member since:
2006-06-03

What is the revenue models for google ad-sense?

Neal Saferstein
Neal Saferstein

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