Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sun 18th Jun 2006 22:16 UTC, submitted by proftv
ReactOS ReactOS 0.3.0 RC1 has been released. Get it from the download page; the changelog doesn't seem up yet, so no information on any improvements. As for the code audit, it is at 90.5% complete. Read the associated Wiki page for more information.
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Detlef Niehof
Member since:
2006-05-02

Comparing Windows (TM) and ReactOS or Wine shows clearly that free and open source software can't compete with proprietary software in any way. There are a lot of features on Microsoft (TM) Windows (TM) that are not supported by either ReactOS or Wine, and it is doubtful we'll ever see them implemented:

- Digital Rights Management

Because of this shortcoming, there's no way to restrict usage of the contents on your hard disk.

- Product Activation

You can't e.g. use your Microsoft (TM) Windows (TM) activation key to activate your copies of ReactOS and Wine as well, since neither of them provides a Product Activation feature.

- WinFS

Store your data as a searchable database. Although it is not yet supported by Microsoft (TM) Windows (TM) as well, it will be implemented in Windows (TM) before either ReactOS or Wine.

I don't get why people still believe in free and open source software.

Def

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Def and Detlef Niehof are not registered trademarks of Detlef Niehof.

Reply Score: 5

superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

it's a bit unfair to say these things, isn't it?

first, Reactos is very new, and developed by just a few people. compare this to MS Windows, being worked on since what, 1990? and by how many fulltime engineers?

second, reactos is just copying windows. and as windows doesn't give much info about itself, they have to spend a lot of time figuring out how windows does stuff.

Compare this to linux, in serious development since before 2000 by several thousands of developers.

Compare apples to apples, and I think you can say the Linux Kernel is much more advanced than the current Windows Kernel.

As a DE and development environment, KDE is generally equal or ahead of Windows.

And well, Windows lacks most of the userland apps most linux distributions offer in the form of the GNU tools, so I guess that's another free software win.

OK, MS has some things better. MS Office, for example, kicks the free software offerings' asses. OO.o is too slow, and due to bad design very hard to develop for. Koffice would be easier to extend and turn into serious competition for MS Office, but apparently it's not sexy enough, big company's prefer throwing money in the black hole OO.o is.

Another plus for MS is the huge amount of apps available, tough that's not their accomplishment. And many of these apps have free and almost-as-good equivalents (apps like Kalzium, free on linux, are very expensive on windows...).

And of course, MS keeps its specifications closed and mangles many open protocols, so it is hard for non-microsoft users to interact with MS' products. Actually I would say that's a big no-no, but many people seem to see it as an advantage ("MS word can open MS word documents, OO.o cannot" - while OO does a nice job, and MS word is unable to open ODF files - while THAT is a official ISO standard file format!).

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superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

clearly, i didn't see his sarcasm at first ;-)

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Nor did I. It was superbly masked ;)

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suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

One of the best posts I have seen in a while LMAO! Sublime!

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gilboa Member since:
2005-07-06

/+1 good one.

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vitae Member since:
2006-02-20

Indeed, an impressive bit of trolling.

Edited 2006-06-19 17:40

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Just FYI...
by brewin on Sun 18th Jun 2006 23:29 UTC
brewin
Member since:
2005-06-30

According to developers, 0.3.0 RC2 will be the release if no new bugs are found. The changelog will be released then. Also, 0.4 is being developed concurrently with 0.3, so it should be out relatively soon after 0.3.

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0.3 = The Network Release
by Anonymous Coward on Sun 18th Jun 2006 23:48 UTC
Anonymous Coward
Member since:
2005-07-06

I'll have to toss together a test machine... I wonder if it can run Apache...

Reply Score: 1

RE: 0.3 = The Network Release
by zizban on Mon 19th Jun 2006 00:48 UTC in reply to "0.3 = The Network Release"
zizban Member since:
2005-07-06

Why dopnt you go look on the website or ask on irc?

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RE: 0.3 = The Network Release
by whitehornmatt on Mon 19th Jun 2006 05:21 UTC in reply to "0.3 = The Network Release"
whitehornmatt Member since:
2005-07-07

It can't run Apache yet, but it can run the TinyWeb server as done by someone in this thread on the forums http://www.reactos.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2062 which is promising. But as ReactOS is getting better everyday it should be able to run Apache soon.

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RE[2]: 0.3 = The Network Release
by el3ktro on Mon 19th Jun 2006 11:11 UTC in reply to "RE: 0.3 = The Network Release"
el3ktro Member since:
2006-01-10

Aren't you supposed to run IIS on it ;-) ?

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RE[3]: 0.3 = The Network Release
by elektrik on Tue 20th Jun 2006 14:30 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: 0.3 = The Network Release"
elektrik Member since:
2006-04-18

Well, could you run IIS on .3 of windows? =]

Reply Score: 1

Parallels
by Tom K on Mon 19th Jun 2006 02:11 UTC
Tom K
Member since:
2005-07-06

I couldn't get this to work under Parallels -- granted, I didn't try too hard. Someone tell me why the LiveCD version still looks for a valid partition table/partition on the main hard disk?

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Congrats!
by suryad on Mon 19th Jun 2006 02:50 UTC
suryad
Member since:
2005-07-09

I am really glad that they are close to being done with their audit. It was truly disheartening when I heard about the alleged plagiarism of Microsoft code. I wish I had a spare machine accessible right now so I could give this a shot. I guess I will wait for the final release of 0.4 as it would give me a decent enough timeframe to put together a play machine and try out this wonderful alternative OS! Thanks for all the hard work ReactOS devs!

Reply Score: 5

RE: Congrats!
by ciphernaut on Mon 19th Jun 2006 12:26 UTC in reply to "Congrats!"
ciphernaut Member since:
2006-01-12

if you take a close look at their download page, you will notice that you do not need a spare machine to run it.

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RE[2]: Congrats!
by suryad on Mon 19th Jun 2006 17:22 UTC in reply to "RE: Congrats!"
suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

Yes I did...and you are right...the unfortunate but natural side effect of reading the headline, going YIPPEE!! and posting really quick without going ahead and checking out more information on their website. Thanks for the heads up!

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screenshots
by chrishaney on Mon 19th Jun 2006 03:18 UTC
chrishaney
Member since:
2005-11-15
Code audit
by ValiantSoul on Mon 19th Jun 2006 03:55 UTC
ValiantSoul
Member since:
2005-07-20

WOW! 90% Great job ReactOS team! I'm very surprised its that far along so quickly for something so complicated

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RE: Code audit
by smitty on Mon 19th Jun 2006 04:42 UTC in reply to "Code audit"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

Hmm, from the wiki:

The homepage is updated daily with the current progress. It will take a relatively short time to reach 60%, however once 90% has been reached, expect the progress to slow down considerably.

Reply Score: 4

inetman
Member since:
2006-05-30

C'mon Guys, don't vote him down, ...
If he complies, that DRM, Product Activation and WinFS are the reasons not to use FOSS, then this is to be meant ironical, isn't it ?
:-)

@Article:

I personaly think that ReactOS even if it is a nice example of what can be done, is some how a waste of time and skill. In my opinion creating another free Operating System isn't the right way, this guys seem to be really good in what they are doing, so I would like to them helping the WINE team or creating a driver compatiblity layer to run _any_ Windows driver on Linux ....

Just my 2 cents...

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evert Member since:
2005-07-06

I strongly agree. Please, vote him up, he did not deserve a -3. In fact, it was hilarious, too bad some people don't have a sense of humor.

About the WINE part, I understood that there is a lot of collaboration. A Windows Win32 compatible OS with a lot of GNU / FOSS software could be perfect to get people away from the enslavement of Evil;-)

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Detlef Niehof Member since:
2006-05-02

Please, vote him up, he did not deserve a -3. In fact, it was hilarious, too bad some people don't have a sense of humor.

Thanks for that. Sure it was a joke, although maybe not a particularly good one. I really do hope that ReactOS will take off, of course, but I guess that was very obvious from my first post.

Def

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smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

I didn't think it was that great, but it was good for a chuckle. I think certain people only read the first couple of lines and didn't realize he was joking before they modded him down ;)

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elektrik Member since:
2006-04-18

Re: "a waste of time" statement the following questions:

1. Why would I buy a proprietary O.S. that I have to be 1 copy for each machine when I could get an open source version I could copy to *any* computer in my household?
2. Why would I want MS to dictate to me how I use my legal freedom with MP3, etc. I don't have Sony breathing down my back everytime I record a TV show on my VCR?
3. Why would I want WinFS when there is/will be better implementations of a FS than WinFS-ReactOS, being an Open source project can/will be able to take advantage of such a filesystem?

Making a (possibibly) better functioning/more versatile version of Windows than windows? Doesn't sound like a wast of time to me

Just my $.02 ;-)

Edited 2006-06-20 14:37

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Re: inetman
by anevilyak on Mon 19th Jun 2006 06:02 UTC
anevilyak
Member since:
2005-09-14

They do in fact help the wine team, and vice versa. There's a lot of cross pollination between the two projects to my knowledge.

Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Danger hiptop 2.0; U; AvantGo 3.2)

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RE: Re: inetman
by Celerate on Mon 19th Jun 2006 06:43 UTC in reply to "Re: inetman"
Celerate Member since:
2005-06-29

I have to ask, why do I keep seeing posts with browser ID strings at the end? Is that a side effect of the mobile site, or are people just trying to come off at 1337 d00dz?

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RE[2]: Re: inetman
by MYOB on Mon 19th Jun 2006 11:44 UTC in reply to "RE: Re: inetman"
MYOB Member since:
2005-06-29

Side effect of the software OSNews runs, which puts the browser string in when its a mobile or (I think?) text-mode browser used to comment.

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RE: Re: inetman
by mmebane on Mon 19th Jun 2006 23:00 UTC in reply to "Re: inetman"
mmebane Member since:
2005-07-06

Actually, Wine is no longer accepting code from ReactOS due specifically to fears of legal issues from reverse engineering. They seem to believe that the only truly safe way RE method is black-box, and even clean-rom RE is out. :/

Anyway, I believe code is still flowing the other way, and good luck to ReactOS!

Reply Score: 1

90.5% clear ?
by fredb1974 on Mon 19th Jun 2006 06:51 UTC
fredb1974
Member since:
2006-01-31

Wow. It tooks some months, but this far, no copyrighted code found.

Looks like another SCO-like FUD ? ;)

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RE: 90.5% clear ?
by Morin on Mon 19th Jun 2006 10:49 UTC in reply to "90.5% clear ?"
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

> Looks like another SCO-like FUD ? ;)

No, it was an anti-FUD measure. Nobody said that copyrighted code was copied. Instead, by the audit the team made sure that nobody who ever looked at copyrighted code writes portions of the according ReactOS code. This is called clean-room reverse engineering and is done because that way it's easier to prove that no copyrighted code made it into the project, just in case someone tried to sue them for it.

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RE[2]: 90.5% clear ?
by dylansmrjones on Mon 19th Jun 2006 15:00 UTC in reply to "RE: 90.5% clear ?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

And because it's a necessity according to US law.

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Windows compatibility
by ratatask on Mon 19th Jun 2006 07:55 UTC
ratatask
Member since:
2006-01-28

How good is ReactOS for running windows appliations at this point ?
Do MS Office works ?
What about a few other random applications, say
LispWorks - www.lispworks.com, Skype, or Filemaker ?

Reply Score: 1

RE: Windows compatibility
by frik85 on Mon 19th Jun 2006 08:04 UTC in reply to "Windows compatibility"
frik85 Member since:
2006-01-26

Screenshots of many apps:
http://www.reactos.org/?page=screenshots

Compatibility Database:
http://www.reactos.org/support/

MS Office 95 and OpenOffice 1.x work.
I don't know about LispWorks, Skype, or Filemaker although I know for sure that Unreal Tournament, Deus Ex, Firefox, SeaMonkey, Adobe Photoshop 3-5, Paint Shop Pro 4, MS Visual Basic 6, DOSBox, IrfanView and a lot of more work.

Reply Score: 2

mikesum32
Member since:
2005-10-22

I voted it up at -5.

I was thinking that I'd try to explain it was sarcasm, and should not be modded down. I decided not to, but glad some others took the initiative. I guess some people just glance at things and don't really read.

Back on topic, I'm glad for reactos. I just downloaded the live cd the other day,and now they release a new one. Good thing it's so small.

The wiki seams a little sparse. I wonder how far drivers/driver compatibility have come.

I remember first hearing about this 2 years ago when captive NTFS came out, I thought it was a bad idea, but I'm all for it now.

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superstoned Member since:
2005-07-07

i missed the sarcasm part ;-)

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Xen?
by Karma_Police on Mon 19th Jun 2006 08:22 UTC
Karma_Police
Member since:
2006-06-19

What about xen support? Does it work? anyone tried it?

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RE: Xen?
by frik85 on Mon 19th Jun 2006 08:28 UTC in reply to "Xen?"
frik85 Member since:
2006-01-26
RE[2]: Xen?
by Mark Williamson on Mon 19th Jun 2006 09:33 UTC
Mark Williamson
Member since:
2005-07-06

One of the ReactOS developers attempted a port to Xen 3.0 whilst it was still in heavy development (and changing rapidly) but I think he gave up because of API churn in Xen, and because he had other things to do in ReactOS-land.

Hopefully the port will be revived at some point, the code would be at least partially portable to the latest Xen.

Also, I think it'd be worth investigating using ReactOS virtual machines to run Windows drivers and export those devices back to Linux.

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GUI bugs
by mormon on Mon 19th Jun 2006 11:05 UTC
mormon
Member since:
2005-08-13

I think they should do something with GUI bugs. Is it really so hard to implement GDI and create good controls? One is too much space between items on menubar. Fonts are at wrong positions. There are problems with sizes of components. It all looks very bad (for me). I think, those are bugs which already appeared in Wine.

Does ReactOS use Windows drivers?

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RE: GUI bugs
by frik85 on Mon 19th Jun 2006 12:28 UTC in reply to "GUI bugs"
frik85 Member since:
2006-01-26

Several GUI glitches will get fixed before 0.3.0 release (wine code regression, etc.).

"ReactOS aims to achieve complete binary compatibility with both applications and device drivers meant for NT and XP operating systems, by using a similar architecture and providing a complete and equivalent public interface."

ReactOS come with several open source standard driver.

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Drivers...
by werfu on Mon 19th Jun 2006 13:22 UTC
werfu
Member since:
2005-09-15

I hope this time we'll get a device manager and some driver compatibilities... so we could use current Windows driver with it. I'd like to see some skinning possibilities too (ie www.crystalxp.net) and it could give some serious trouble over to MS. Imagine if it ever get to work with Active Directory, now they would kick MS btt...

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RE: Drivers...
by frik85 on Mon 19th Jun 2006 13:34 UTC in reply to "Drivers..."
frik85 Member since:
2006-01-26

http://www.reactos.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware

The Plug&Play support has been improved and there is a simple device manager and service manager in ReactOS 0.3 RC1.

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Hardware support /drivers.
by Eric Martin on Mon 19th Jun 2006 16:22 UTC
Eric Martin
Member since:
2005-11-11

You need it or it kills any new OS.

There are alot of new os' that have cool features but are worthless because they don't have drivers.


We need a NEW way to write drivers like Scitech does.
Like some program that actually compiles specs into code!!!!!

We need alternative to X.org windows.

DirectFB ? Seems like they don't have enough drivers. Writing drivers is a bitch. We need alternatives. Scitech gets this.

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RE: Hardware support /drivers.
by Morin on Mon 19th Jun 2006 19:07 UTC in reply to "Hardware support /drivers."
Morin Member since:
2005-12-31

> We need a NEW way to write drivers like Scitech does.
> Like some program that actually compiles specs into code!!!!!

The problem is how to write down specs in a formal, yet OS-agnostic way. I'm not saying it's impossible (I have considered experimenting a bit in that direction but didn't due to lack of time), but it's hard. Guess I'll give it a try when the summer exams are over ;)

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Not a joke
by bufalo_1973 on Mon 19th Jun 2006 19:58 UTC
bufalo_1973
Member since:
2006-05-10

How "compatible" is ReactOS with viruses, worms and trojan horses?

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superstoned
Member since:
2005-07-07

sure, windows 1.0 in 1985. but microsoft already had a bit more than 1 person working on it, isn't it? Same with KDE - Linux and KDE started way more slowly, and still have to work with much less manhours compared to Windows. well, maybe that's not true for Linux vs the Windows kernel...

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BSOD
by msg43 on Tue 20th Jun 2006 00:21 UTC
msg43
Member since:
2005-10-01

Sweet I got BSOD from a non microsoft product! I was playing around with it in a vm and it looks pretty cool. Good job Reactos.

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superstoned
Member since:
2005-07-07

Indeed ;-)

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