Linked by Eugenia Loli-Queru on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 17:27 UTC, submitted by RevAaron
Opera Software It was announced back in February that Opera would be coming out for the Nintendo DS. Opera and Nintendo announced a release date of July 24th for Japan (with the US and Europe to follow soon after) and a price of around $30 at a special this last weekend. But just how good is this pint sized web browser on Nintendo's hot new handheld? Check out the first hands-on review for some juicy details.
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I Doubt this....
by zetsurin (2.6) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 17:52 UTC
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I seriously doubt this browsing environment will even remotely approximate the desktop experience as the reviewer touts here. I have a Nokia 770 which is superior in specification in every way to the DS, and I still wouldn't class it as 'desktop-like' and I'd go as far as saying it's downright slow for some sites and routinely runs out of memory on more demanding sites. And it's running Opera just like the DS. I'm going to write this one off as some over-enthusiasm until I see it for myself. Imagine scrolling around the screen left and right a million times just to read the average online article. Gimmick.

Edited 2006-06-23 17:55

RE: I Doubt this....
by Conan (2.6) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 21:42 UTC in reply to "I Doubt this...."
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It's worth pointing out that this browser comes with a 4MB RAM cartridge that plugs into the GBA slot on the DS (and it will come in normal and Lite sizes). That, along with the memory already present on the DS, may help explain the performance.

Also, it has two viewing modes, one of which would prevent the "scrolling left and right a million times to read an article" problem you mention.

Other hands on reports are available, and so far, all of them have been fairly positive. I wouldn't write it off as a gimmick just yet.

RE[2]: I Doubt this....
by WorknMan (3.64) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 22:29 UTC in reply to "RE: I Doubt this...."
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It's worth pointing out that this browser comes with a 4MB RAM cartridge that plugs into the GBA slot on the DS (and it will come in normal and Lite sizes). That, along with the memory already present on the DS, may help explain the performance.

Which probably means you won't be able to load it up on a Supercard. Who wants to carry 2 cartridges around just to browse the web?

RE[3]: I Doubt this....
by Conan (2.6) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 23:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I Doubt this...."
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I'm sure the practically insignificant number of people who use flash carts might think about that, but I hardly expect it would bother the +99% of regular users.

But how much do you want to bet that some of the higher end flash carts will start coming with more (and compatible) onboard ram if this takes off?

Interesting
by zizban (3.76) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 18:05 UTC
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I have to agree with the reviewer that the idea of browsing the web wirelessly on a $129 device is awesome. It replace your PDA but if you find an open node and want to quick check your gmail or stocks, this thing would be perfect.

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On current DS wireless games you must buy a USB dongle that connects you to the internet via a PC. I'd love to use Opera on my DS but I don't want to have a Windows PC always booted for this purpose. Are Nintendo going to allow this to connect to any wireless network or is it going to face the same restriction as the current crop of wireless games?

bile Member since:
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You can connect to any (for the most part) 802.11b compatible AP. The usb dongle is for those without an AP.

Ascay Member since:
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But unfortunately only to APs without or with just WEP encryption. WPA or WPA2 is not supported.

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Or without a dongle

backdoc Member since:
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My son has a DS and he plays MarioKart simply by connecting to our wireless router. It's simple to connect to any wireless network.

backdoc

werpu Member since:
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>On current DS wireless games you must buy a USB dongle >that connects you to the internet via a PC. I'd love to >use Opera on my DS but I don't want to have a Windows PC >always booted for this purpose. Are Nintendo going to >allow this to connect to any wireless network or is it >going to face the same restriction as the current crop of >wireless games?

You misunderstood something, any wlan router who can do dhcp can do it, the ds basically connects itself into an existing wlan network and requests an ip address from it, transparently.
The USB dongle is nothing more than a wlan adapter/router and it is not, I repeat, not mandatory for hooking up the DS to the internet.

Call me a skeptic...
by setuid_w00t (1.88) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 18:37 UTC
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...but I don't think a review from *.opera.com can be taken without a seriously large grain of salt.

If you believe everything the reviewer says then here's another website that you might find useful:
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver/facts/

RE: Call me a skeptic...
by Yogurth (3.6) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 20:47 UTC in reply to "Call me a skeptic..."
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You should really make some difference between Personal Blog and enterprise site dude. Would You feel any better if same guy posted this on Blogger?

size of the module?
by smashIt (1.76) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 22:12 UTC
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does anybody know if the lite-module fits into the old ds?
I'm very intrrested in this but i don't want to buy it again when i replace my ds with a lite

Why not
by CVDpr (-0.04) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 23:09 UTC
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Firefox for DS? Bloated, Memory?

RE: Why not
by Johann Chua (2.68) on Fri 23rd Jun 2006 23:17 UTC in reply to "Why not"
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Firefox is a RAM hog on desktop PCs, and AFAIK there hasn't been any version that runs on embedded devices with limited resources.

RE[2]: Why not
by binarycrusader (3.6) on Sat 24th Jun 2006 06:11 UTC in reply to "RE: Why not"
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Firefox is a RAM hog on desktop PCs, and AFAIK there hasn't been any version that runs on embedded devices with limited resources.

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/FAQ.html#q1.3
"Minimo is a small version of Firefox with many of the same features offered."

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/minimo/

I suppose that whether or not that qualifies for "embedded devices with limited resources," depends on what you mean by "limited resources" or "embedded devices."

Of course, in my personal opinion, Opera is a better fit for tiny devices like the DS anyway -- even if I don't enjoy using it in Windows.