Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 27th Jun 2006 13:31 UTC, submitted by Vai777
In the News CNN made a top 10 list of people who do not matter anymore in the tech industry. Among them, Steve Ballmer, Linus Torvalds, Jonathan Schwartz, Rob Malda from Slashdot, and Ken Kutaragi (responsible for the Playstation). This list is actually a by-product from their top 50 list of people who do matter; which containts, among others, Steve Jobs.
Order by: Score:
Don't matter?
by OMRebel on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:06 UTC
OMRebel
Member since:
2005-11-14

I'm sorry, but saying the CEO of the world's most successful software company doesn't matter sounds like sour grapes. I'm no MS fanboy by any means, but for that to be the first person listed takes away any credibility to this article, IMHO.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Don't matter?
by Scott on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:10 UTC in reply to "Don't matter?"
Scott Member since:
2005-09-11

You have to remember that Balmer's spotlight was him calling for developers. ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE: Don't matter?
by ma_d on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:38 UTC in reply to "Don't matter?"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

And failing to respond to the articles reasoning for saying he's unimportant but simply responding with an obvious argument ruins yours.

What's your point?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Don't matter?
by junior on Tue 27th Jun 2006 16:21 UTC in reply to "Don't matter?"
junior Member since:
2005-07-07

Ballmer is a loudmouth idiot. It is pleasing to see his ugly face pop up first in the list that is in no particular order.

Reply Score: 2

These lists
by Scott on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:09 UTC
Scott
Member since:
2005-09-11

... do not matter. ;) You can go on and on about who's who, but the fact remains that everyone of these people play an important role, even if that role is retrospective. The lists... are entertainment at best -- not bad at that either.

Reply Score: 5

RE: These lists
by skeezix on Tue 27th Jun 2006 20:23 UTC in reply to "These lists"
skeezix Member since:
2006-02-06

I think the claim that all these important people 'do not matter' must be a tongue-in-cheek sort of idea. These people chosen are obviously a lot more important in the IT world than you or I are. But I think the point of the article is to use a clever, attention-catching device, however flawed it is, to make nonetheless significant points about these people's changing roles.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: These lists
by Scott on Wed 28th Jun 2006 02:30 UTC in reply to "RE: These lists"
Scott Member since:
2005-09-11

Good point.

Reply Score: 1

v Don't forget...
by suprchunk on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:20 UTC
noise
by transputer_guy on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:25 UTC
transputer_guy
Member since:
2005-07-08

These damned CNN money people don't matter, nor do all the other lists of most beautifull, most rich, most elegible, most charming, most well dressed, most newsworthy blah blah. They all make me puke.

While Linus isn't much in the limelight for the hypesters, he still deserves much due respect, whether you use Linux or not.

I guess Isaac Newton. Leonardo da Vinci, Einstein don't matter either, none of them is contributing much these days either.

Reply Score: 5

CNN doesn't matter
by halfmanhalfamazing on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:33 UTC
halfmanhalfamazing
Member since:
2005-07-23

Who reads the crap they publish anymore? Who watches their channel?

Bunch of losers willfully looking for only part of the story................

Reply Score: 2

RE: CNN doesn't matter
by _LH_ on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:59 UTC in reply to "CNN doesn't matter"
_LH_ Member since:
2005-07-20

You have looked the who matters list, haven't you?

The people they think matter is mostly a list of some people who are in right now. Nobody will remember half of the most important list in few years. The reasons why they picked these people is that their ventures are pop right now. But those are the same services and companies that will eventually fail because they have no commercial viability.

And the list of people who don't matter. It's a list of people who really matter but who aren't currently as hip as they used to be.

Reply Score: 2

Give me a break!!
by solidsnake on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:35 UTC
solidsnake
Member since:
2006-06-04

When did the tech industry become like Hollywood?

Reply Score: 2

RE: Give me a break!!
by ThanhLy on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:37 UTC in reply to "Give me a break!!"
ThanhLy Member since:
2006-03-14

When did the tech industry become like Hollywood?

When technology fuels Hollywood productions and newspapers/tabloids run stories about scandals and controversy just like any other industry.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Give me a break!!
by TomB7 on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Give me a break!!"
TomB7 Member since:
2006-01-03

So, when does Ballmer hit the best/worst dressed list?

Reply Score: 4

Big Deal
by Sphinx on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:38 UTC
Sphinx
Member since:
2005-07-09

I'm sure all those people got to where they are by worrying about whether some bottom feeder news ragazine thinks they're hip or not.

Here's another list:

New Sites Barely Surviving On Delusions Of Former Glory
CNN

Reply Score: 5

What the heck are they smoking?
by Gullible Jones on Tue 27th Jun 2006 14:52 UTC
Gullible Jones
Member since:
2006-05-23

Balmer? Still matters because he'll probably be making policy decisions regarding Windows Vista. Yeah, that's pretty big.

Hastings? It doesn't look to me like the DVD is endangered. In fact, there is at the moment an advertisement right under the list entry that would seem to contradict this notion.

Kutaragi? Well, let's see how Blu-Ray turns out. And remember, Sony is still making other stuff. Lots of other stuff.

Leiberfarb? I see their gripe about him, but really, the idea that safe storage media like the DVD will disappear is quite ridiculous. Backups are the best way to preserve your data and an optical storage medium consisting of a plastic disk with spots or pits is a marvelous way to back things up.

Schwartz? They must be kidding, seriously.

Torvalds? Linux is the kernel, not the OS. Torvalds rights code for the kernel and a lot of the commits go through him. The way the kernel goes is important for obvious reasons, so he still matters, even if he's not in control of distribution development.

Whoever wrote this thing is quite the ignoramus...

Reply Score: 5

RE: What the heck are they smoking?
by ma_d on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:42 UTC in reply to "What the heck are they smoking?"
ma_d Member since:
2005-06-29

The article is about the future, not right now. In the future this author seems to think it unlikely that people will get media in the mail, but more likely they'll get it via the net.

I'd say you're right though. Considering that broadband penetration in the US is not anywhere near 90% I'd say netflix is going to have a large market of non-broadband users for a long time. However, this doesn't give netflix any real room to expand. All they can do is put blockbuster out of business, woopedy doo. And that does make them fairly unimportant in the tech industry, not that they ever really were.

If he picked 10 people who trivially didn't matter it wouldn't be worth reading, but he's trying to pick famous people who we all believe matter and say why they really don't. And he made pretty good points about all of them.

Reply Score: 1

RE: What the heck are they smoking?
by TomB7 on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:23 UTC in reply to "What the heck are they smoking?"
TomB7 Member since:
2006-01-03

"Balmer? Still matters because he'll probably be making policy decisions regarding Windows Vista. Yeah, that's pretty big. "

The only valuable decision Ballmer could make would be to shoot Vista in the head and admit it's time to bring Windows into the 21st century with a UNIX foundation.

Reply Score: 2

RE: What the heck are they smoking?
by tomcat on Wed 28th Jun 2006 00:31 UTC in reply to "What the heck are they smoking?"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

I have to agree with you on this. The fact of the matter is that DVDs are going to be with us for at least the next decade. HD quality DVDs will eventually supplant DVDs; however, that will take time and substantial investment on the part of consumers. Similarly, until the cost of magnetic media falls below the cost of plastic media (ie. DVDs), plastic media will remain popular.

Reply Score: 1

uh
by deanlinkous on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:02 UTC
deanlinkous
Member since:
2006-06-19

cnnmoney? the home of money, fortune, business2.0, and fortune small business...

I would say when print magazines have to start banning together to afford a website - that is when magazines are obviously hurting. I think that sends a clear message that magazines do not matter. So now they have to make up wild tabloid-esque stories to try and get come clicks since nobody is turning pages anymore either.

Reply Score: 2

Bunk!
by eggs on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:22 UTC
eggs
Member since:
2006-01-23

I declare shenanigans! This is a list of people who don't matter and I am not on it.

Reply Score: 5

RE: Bunk!
by skeezix on Tue 27th Jun 2006 20:30 UTC in reply to "Bunk!"
skeezix Member since:
2006-02-06

You, dear sir or madam, are a man or woman after my own heart. I chortled uncontrollably after reading your witty, yet undeniably veracious, statememt.

(Although you are an OSNews staff member. That has to count for something?)

Reply Score: 1

CNN ugly
by Bonus on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:42 UTC
Bonus
Member since:
2005-12-23

Has anyone looked at the blood red out of date CNN logo and website. The CNN mug that looks like a Stalin keepsake. Please. Fox News looks and feels like something cica 1987 off of the back of a dirty magazine cover. Some faux broze rubbish.

I wipe my ass with them.

Reply Score: 2

RE: CNN ugly
by Bonus on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:44 UTC in reply to "CNN ugly"
Bonus Member since:
2005-12-23

Back dated, slow, messy, addridden sloppy, baggy pants, old money, faded glory, wahed out colors....etc :-)

Reply Score: 2

Linus
by sbenitezb on Tue 27th Jun 2006 15:49 UTC
sbenitezb
Member since:
2005-07-22

Sure, he doesn't matter. He manages to make Linux the most powerful OS, and he doesn't matter... Who really doesn't matter is the guy who wrote this article.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Linus
by orestes on Tue 27th Jun 2006 16:03 UTC in reply to "Linus"
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

You make it sound as if he got the Linux kernel to where it is today single handed.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Linus
by Tom K on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:21 UTC in reply to "Linus"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

Correction: Windows is the most powerful OS. Where Windows goes, the industry goes. If Microsoft wants DX9, shader-compliant GPUs in all Vista machines shipped, Microsoft will get DX9, shader-compliant GPUs.

What kind of leverage does Linux have among the manufacturers? Almost none.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Linus
by deanlinkous on Wed 28th Jun 2006 00:09 UTC in reply to "RE: Linus"
deanlinkous Member since:
2006-06-19

nah the industry goes where the people go, but since windows is preinstalled and nobody had a choice it has always been assumed that since everyone was using windows that windows was going where everyone wanted things to go... (i think i confused myself, where was I going with this)

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: Linus
by Tom K on Wed 28th Jun 2006 02:31 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Linus"
Tom K Member since:
2005-07-06

No, Windows is where it is because Microsoft offers backwards-compatibility that dates to the late 80's/early 90's, as well as guaranteed support for most operating system products for 10 years.

They are a serious business, and they stand behind their product, even if it's not top-notch in all cases. Microsoft was there from the start, and they have had a big hand in shaping the industry.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Linus
by Gullible Jones on Tue 27th Jun 2006 22:50 UTC in reply to "Linus"
Gullible Jones Member since:
2006-05-23

Linux is not "the most powerful OS". There is no such thing as "the most powerful OS", different ones fill different rolls. Linux is great on servers, but put it in a role that needs a realtime OS and you won't get very far. QNX works wonders on embedded systems, but it would choke on a server. The simple fact is that no matter how fervently one worships a given operating system, it will never be able to fill every single role perfectly.

Reply Score: 1

Do not matter?
by protagonist on Tue 27th Jun 2006 16:10 UTC
protagonist
Member since:
2005-07-06

For my money CNN heads the list of companies that do not matter anymore. I am no Windows fan, but to say Bill Gates and others on the list do not matter anymore is kind of like saying the Titanic was unsinkable.

It is fluff like this that illustrates just why so many people do not pay attention to the major news outlets anymore.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Do not matter?
by Get a Life on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:36 UTC in reply to "Do not matter?"
Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

I think that's sort of the opposite, though. The fluff pieces create clicks. News organizations are primarily interested in securing ad revenue regardless of delivery method. Informing people is the pretense but not really the goal and sometimes not even the method chosen to obtain such revenue. During the dot com period such organizations were spewing stupid by the truckload. Some people still ate it up. I think that's what they enjoy.

Reply Score: 1

Hey Waht about me?
by transami on Tue 27th Jun 2006 16:34 UTC
transami
Member since:
2006-02-28

I don't matter! Me! Me! Me! Over here! Me! Yes, Me. I don't matter either!

Why is no one recognizing?.... ;)

Reply Score: 3

Linus does matter
by marcushe on Tue 27th Jun 2006 16:49 UTC
marcushe
Member since:
2005-09-30

sure, he might be an ultra-annoying super geek, but he unfortunately still matters.

Edited 2006-06-27 16:49

Reply Score: 1

The list is bunk, but . . .
by Fuji257 on Tue 27th Jun 2006 16:52 UTC
Fuji257
Member since:
2006-01-24

Linus really does not matter.

When the GNU community were looking for a full featured kernel that the author was willing to infect with the GPL virus it's not like there was a lot choice. A great need existed and Linux was coincidentally there to fill it.

It's not as if Linux was cherry picked due to some technological greatness - - it was just simply available. The "It'll do" mentality started when Linux was "selected" and continues in the GNU, GPL, and Linux communities today.

Reply Score: 0

RE: The list is bunk, but . . .
by monodeldiablo on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:17 UTC in reply to "The list is bunk, but . . ."
monodeldiablo Member since:
2005-07-06

The fact that you're so bitter that it exists is proof enough that Linux and its creator still do matter.

Grow up. It's an OS, not a religion.

Reply Score: 0

RE[2]: The list is bunk, but . . .
by deanlinkous on Wed 28th Jun 2006 00:03 UTC in reply to "The list is bunk, but . . ."
deanlinkous Member since:
2006-06-19

Actually linus needed/wanted/wished for some help. You make it sound as if the gnu community was the predator and the linux kernel the prey...

Reply Score: 1

Are they stupid?
by Mustang on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:11 UTC
Mustang
Member since:
2006-06-27

While Torvalds still oversees any changes made to the innermost core of Linux, most of the innovation is now done by others, and commercial businesses like Red Hat and Novell increasingly steer its future.

Do they know what is Linux? And i didn't know that KDE, Gnome & Cie were from Novell or RedHat.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Are they stupid?
by Get a Life on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:39 UTC in reply to "Are they stupid?"
Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

The various Linux companies make meaningful contributions through employing developers to work on them. However you should be more surprised if a journalist discusses a specialized subject that you're familiar with and doesn't sound stupid.

Reply Score: 1

Picture of Linus
by Tom K on Tue 27th Jun 2006 17:20 UTC
Tom K
Member since:
2005-07-06

Did anyone else notice that Linus looks like a lip stick-wearing, sly and horny transsexual in the photo they put up?

I literally LOL'ed.

Reply Score: 3

RE: Picture of Linus
by suryad on Tue 27th Jun 2006 21:13 UTC in reply to "Picture of Linus"
suryad Member since:
2005-07-09

LMAO

Reply Score: 1

Linus Torvalds
by SlackerJack on Tue 27th Jun 2006 18:23 UTC
SlackerJack
Member since:
2005-11-12

Dont matter?, I wonder if they would say that if there servers for there websites were running on Linux.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Linus Torvalds
by tomcat on Wed 28th Jun 2006 00:33 UTC in reply to "Linus Torvalds"
tomcat Member since:
2006-01-06

Alright, I have to admit it: He does look pretty bad in that photo. But geeks aren't exactly known for their looks, eh?

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Linus Torvalds
by sc3252 on Wed 28th Jun 2006 12:33 UTC in reply to "RE: Linus Torvalds"
sc3252 Member since:
2005-09-06

Are you kidding me, when I saw that picture, I swear I was looking at the emporer from starwars. Evil looking guy.

Reply Score: 1

Top 10 sites that don't matter anymore
by Knuckles on Tue 27th Jun 2006 18:45 UTC
Knuckles
Member since:
2005-06-29

Top 10 sites that don't matter anymore, and write just about anything for a couple of clicks:
1. http://money.cnn.com/
2. http://money.cnn.com/
3. http://money.cnn.com/
4. http://money.cnn.com/
5. http://money.cnn.com/
6. http://money.cnn.com/
7. http://money.cnn.com/
...

Thanks, I'll be here all day.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Linus
by sbenitezb on Tue 27th Jun 2006 21:49 UTC
sbenitezb
Member since:
2005-07-22

Nop. Not single handed. But certainly he got the Linux kernel where it is today.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: Linus
by deanlinkous on Wed 28th Jun 2006 00:11 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Linus"
deanlinkous Member since:
2006-06-19

he AND a whole bunch of others...

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Linus
by sbenitezb on Tue 27th Jun 2006 21:54 UTC
sbenitezb
Member since:
2005-07-22

Correction: Microsoft is the most powerfull OS provider company. Windows doesn't have any power. It's up to Microsoft. And it's not where Windows goes the industry goes. The industry follows money. I meant other thing with 'powerful'. I wasn't talking about money.

In contrast, Linux is not a company, it's just the OS. But certainly it's getting more attention every day from manufacturers.

Reply Score: 1

RTFA!
by Jay S. Lazlo on Wed 28th Jun 2006 05:06 UTC
Jay S. Lazlo
Member since:
2006-06-21

It's amazing how many OSNews readers don't know the difference between past tense and present tense, and how many of them don't read the pertinent articles, e.g. Gates IS on the "Who Matters" list. Please read first before posting!

Reply Score: 1

RE: RTFA!
by shredder on Wed 28th Jun 2006 11:37 UTC in reply to "RTFA!"
shredder Member since:
2005-07-06

It's easier said than done to RTFA. I had to unblock javascript from two domains to read past the first list item. The page was not well designed.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: RTFA!
by Johann Chua on Thu 29th Jun 2006 01:58 UTC in reply to "RE: RTFA!"
Johann Chua Member since:
2005-07-22

I couldn't read the list at all. The page came up blank for me except for the banners on top.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Linus
by sbenitezb on Wed 28th Jun 2006 15:31 UTC
sbenitezb
Member since:
2005-07-22

Well, it can fulfill different roles. Isn't that a powerfull OS?

Reply Score: 1