Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 13th Jul 2006 19:18 UTC
SuSE, openSUSE "We're glad to announce SUSE Linux 10.2 Codename 'Basilisk Lizard' Alpha2. It's downloadable from today on and will be the last community/consumer distribution called SUSE Linux. We'll rename SUSE Linux into openSUSE." And the release announcement lists some changes, with a referral to CD1, where the changelog can be found. And there was much rejoicing. No, really.
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what is SUSE 10.2 going to be made up of?
by REMF on Thu 13th Jul 2006 21:37 UTC
REMF
Member since:
2006-02-05

it has been intimated before that 10.2 may not get released until start of 2007, and this was backed up by a roadmap that listed alpha releases until 5th Oct 06, this appears to be confirmed by the press release above stating that Beta 1 would only see the light of day in Nov 06.

So here are a few tentative questions in search of some well informed speculation on the packages that will make up 10.2:

1) X.Org 7.2 with improved XGL support is due to be released in Oct 06........................?
p.s. let us hope nVidia don't release their bi-annual driver update before they can accomodate the new X.Org version.

2) KDE4 is due as a 'technical preview' in Oct 06. Can this be considered a release candidate suitable for integration into SUSE safe in the knowledge that problems will be sorted before 10.2's own release candidates escape into the wild in January 07?

3) I have heard mention of a K.Office 1.6 (assuming that KDE4/Koffice2 do not arrive in time) is going to be released sometime........ any idea when?

4) Gnome 2.16 is due for around Oct 06, i presume this should make it in? will we also get the SLED10 Desktop style in openSUSE 10.2?

Reply Score: 3

SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

1) DavidR is looking to replace Xorg with the XGL server so i don't think that will be a issue.

2) Personally I think there's no way KDE4 will make SUSE 10.2 in any form.

4) Should make it in, 2.15 is going into 10.2 as we speak.

(edit, typo)

Edited 2006-07-13 22:01

Reply Score: 3

halfmanhalfamazing Member since:
2005-07-23

------------1) DavidR is looking to replace Xorg with the XGL server so i don't think that will be a issue.------------

Where did you read that?

The main reason I ask is because of the DRI drivers that are integrated into X.org. Hopefully they'll find a way to integrate them into XGL.(specifically, I need the DRI R200 drivers otherwise I'm S.O.L.)

*EDIT* I read your post about the podcast. Do you have any links where more info could be found?

Edited 2006-07-14 01:46

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SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

At the moment XGL sits on top of Xorg as a OpenGL layer, DavidR wants XGL to be it's own Xserver and not relying on xorg.

Here are the Novell Open Audio podcasts

http://www.novell.com/company/podcasts/openaudio.html

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Pedentry
by Isolationist on Thu 13th Jul 2006 21:39 UTC
Isolationist
Member since:
2006-05-28

This now means I can no longer be pedantic in reminding n00bs that the distro is called SuSE instead of openSUSE? ;)

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RE: Pedentry
by elsewhere on Fri 14th Jul 2006 02:02 UTC in reply to "Pedentry"
elsewhere Member since:
2005-07-13

This now means I can no longer be pedantic in reminding n00bs that the distro is called SuSE instead of openSUSE? ;)

I dunno, a lot of people in the industry were confused by the branding, not just the n00bs.

Pedantic would be pointing out that Novell officially changed SuSE to SUSE some time back. ;)

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@ Slackerjack
by REMF on Thu 13th Jul 2006 23:26 UTC
REMF
Member since:
2006-02-05

could you explain point number 1?
i don't quite understand. ;)

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RE: @ Slackerjack
by SlackerJack on Thu 13th Jul 2006 23:31 UTC in reply to "@ Slackerjack"
SlackerJack Member since:
2005-11-12

Well from I heard him say on the Novell podcast he said he wanted to not use Xorg with XGL, since Xgl is running on top of xorg ast the moment.

So when you run XGL it will just be XGL and not Xorg running.

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RE[2]: @ Slackerjack
by NxStY on Fri 14th Jul 2006 10:04 UTC in reply to "RE: @ Slackerjack"
NxStY Member since:
2005-11-12

That's xegl. It's still in early development and wont make it into 10.2.

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Focus
by mariux on Thu 13th Jul 2006 23:38 UTC
mariux
Member since:
2005-11-13

I really wish they would take the time this time to fix some really simple stuff that every user uses, but that still doesnt work in neither SLED 10 (rc3) or OpenSuSE 10.1

1. Wifi: Give me networking that works out of the box with my ipw2200 (ubuntu has done it), and a damn applet that lists the available networks. I imagine i could write something like that in a day by just wrapping some iwup/iwlist commands. Can't possibly be that hard for them to do.

2. Give me a packagemanager/updater that works. No bullshit, just works.
A system updater in the kind of distro that Suse is should never leave you with an error when trying to update a base system which you have done nothing to.

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RE: Focus
by bob8 on Thu 13th Jul 2006 23:51 UTC in reply to "Focus"
bob8 Member since:
2006-07-13

1. Network listing is avaliable, see "Network Manager" it's in SLED 10 (rc3) which it seems you haven't actually used.
2. Never had any problems with SLED 10 (rc3).

Edited 2006-07-13 23:52

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RE: Focus
by kejar31 on Thu 13th Jul 2006 23:52 UTC in reply to "Focus"
kejar31 Member since:
2006-01-08

2. just use the smart package management. It works great with no problems what so ever and its very easy to install.

here are the instructions.

http://dev-loki.blogspot.com/2006/05/how-to-install-and-use-smart-o...

Edited 2006-07-13 23:52

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RE[2]: Focus
by leech on Fri 14th Jul 2006 00:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Focus"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

I think the original point was that 10.1 has a problem with the out of box package manager, which is just plain wrong for any distro to release like that. Smart package manager can be used in any distro, but last few times I've used it, I didn't think it was quite as useful as some of the other package managers I've used (like Synaptic) but maybe that's just because it's in an earlier stage of development.

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RE[3]: Focus
by kejar31 on Fri 14th Jul 2006 00:25 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Focus"
kejar31 Member since:
2006-01-08

I don't disagree with you. Novell made a mistake with Suse 10.1 and their package manager. Zen, which is the package manager in question, still has away to go to ( even in SLED 10 ). With all eles considering though, suse 10.1 is a great distro and the package management is very easy to fix. It is in my opinion one of, if not the best distro's available. If not for the broken package management it would easily be the best.

If only the Suse community were as strong as Ubuntu's ;)

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RE[4]: Focus
by rx182 on Fri 14th Jul 2006 01:13 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Focus"
rx182 Member since:
2005-07-08

If only the Suse community were as strong as Ubuntu's ;)

Someday, it will happen. SUSE keeps getting better very fast, while Ubuntu, like many other distros, keep improving but not so fast...

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RE: Focus
by onjoo on Fri 14th Jul 2006 07:20 UTC in reply to "Focus"
onjoo Member since:
2006-07-14

mariux, what are you talking about?

1. Wifi: it was Opensuse that introduced the new networkmanager. Ubuntu just integrated it to their product. And yes the ipw-firmware is included or can be easily downloaded from repositories.

2. Actually Ubuntus apt is a bit old-fashioned. I think they should start using smart. Yep, new libzypp/Zen/zmd isn't perfect, but with the newest updates the bugmonster has been fixed and is fully working. And like other people have posted, in suse you can use Smart.

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RE[2]: Focus
by Anonymous Penguin on Fri 14th Jul 2006 07:38 UTC in reply to "RE: Focus"
Anonymous Penguin Member since:
2005-07-06

"2. Actually Ubuntus apt is a bit old-fashioned."

Please don't tell me that Debian apt is old fashioned. It is being improved all the time and it is one of the best package managers availabe. Certainly better than the 5 or 6 package managers available for SUSE, all conflicting with one another.

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Basilisk my ass
by moleskine on Fri 14th Jul 2006 02:51 UTC
moleskine
Member since:
2005-11-05

It's too bad that Novell are reserving their best stuff for their commercial offerings which few people are ever going to see while for the rest of us the SuSE name is being watered down into a "community" distro. Except it isn't really. A proper community is a two-way street with vibrant user feedback, like Ubuntu. OpenSuSE so far is much more of a one-way street with a weak user presence and a very controlling role by Novell where commercial considerations come before any users (hence bunging out 10.1 with completely borked package management and dodgy wifi).

Sorry if this rains on people's parade. I am typing this on OpenSuSE 10.1 but am getting a little tired of the whole charade here. No doubt 10.2 will show improvements and I wish it the best of luck. But I can't help feeling that the OpenSuSE project is slowly becoming a pale imitation of what SuSE could (and imho should) be.

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RE: Basilisk my ass
by chocobanana on Fri 14th Jul 2006 03:29 UTC in reply to "Basilisk my ass"
chocobanana Member since:
2006-01-04

I really don't know what you're talking about when you mention package manager and wifi problems.

I got my ipw2200 working out of the box right in the installation process (even did the update there via wifi).

And package management, though I believe it might have been a serious problem right after the release, is now working perfectly for me.

I'm pretty happy with Suse 10.1 on my centrino laptop and I even have the ati drivers and kde 3.5.3 working.

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v SUSAMURAI !!!!!
by Moulinneuf on Fri 14th Jul 2006 04:24 UTC
RE: SUSAMURAI !!!!!
by atezun on Fri 14th Jul 2006 07:13 UTC in reply to "SUSAMURAI !!!!!"
atezun Member since:
2005-07-06

I think this is one of those moments where I'm supposed to go...

huh?

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RE[2]: SUSAMURAI !!!!!
by segedunum on Fri 14th Jul 2006 10:01 UTC in reply to "RE: SUSAMURAI !!!!!"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

I think this is one of those moments where I'm supposed to go...

Indeed. It just shows how silly Novell has made Suse.

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As a long standing SUSE user...
by Anonymous Penguin on Fri 14th Jul 2006 06:29 UTC
Anonymous Penguin
Member since:
2005-07-06

...I hope that SUSE 10.2 will be more about stablity and reliability, rather than forever experimenting with bleeding edge and/or new features.

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Still no ...
by NxStY on Fri 14th Jul 2006 10:53 UTC
NxStY
Member since:
2005-11-12

modular X. ;)

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Confusion
by poultond on Fri 14th Jul 2006 13:06 UTC
poultond
Member since:
2006-06-15

Actually I was a little confused yesterday when I first read this announcement. This is regarding OpenSuSE which I thought is what the free, "community" version was. It's confusing when the OpenSuSE folks put this up on their website and refer to it as SuSE especially with the recent SuSE Enterprise Desktop release announcement.

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