Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 26th Jul 2006 17:40 UTC, submitted by Hakime
Apple Powered by its OS X Tiger operating system and buzz surrounding the iPod, Apple Computer has gained traction in the personal computer market. Macintosh computers used to be popular with the creative crowd, but now are finding a place on the desks of corporate America. According to the Wall Street Journal, JupiterResearch surveyed technology decision makers at 258 medium and large businesses and projected that 33 percent would be running Macs next year, while only 21 percent were doing so now.
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Signs, Signs, everywhere are Signs
by The Baron on Wed 26th Jul 2006 18:15 UTC
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Yet another sign that Apple is failing </sarcasm >

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worries
by Cookie Monster on Wed 26th Jul 2006 18:32 UTC
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Looks like Microsoft has got something to worry about besides wasting their huge cash reserves on doomed atttempts to enter new markets. Of course, if they were smart enough to optimize the OS X version of Office they could pretty much garuntee that every Mac business sale was a sale for them. But they're just not that smart...

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RE: worries
by Tuishimi on Wed 26th Jul 2006 18:52 UTC in reply to "worries"
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2005-07-06

You make a good point. Microsoft Office is so ubiquitous that even if Mac OS X captured another few percentage points in the OS market, Microsoft could benefit from it instead of being worried about selling XP/Vista. Last I checked, Office costs a fortune and a half, much more than the OS itself... and if most businesses are running XP then they are likely running Office.

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RE: worries
by rm6990 on Wed 26th Jul 2006 18:58 UTC in reply to "worries"
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It would help if they would at least get a native Intel version out there....

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RE[2]: worries
by TownDrunk on Wed 26th Jul 2006 19:29 UTC in reply to "RE: worries"
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Good point. Has there been anything released about when we can expect an intel (Universal) version from MS?

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Reason is simple
by shadow_x99 on Wed 26th Jul 2006 18:52 UTC
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Corporation see the advantages of having a machine that can run the 3 different OS ( Windows XP, Mac OS X & Linux ) via boot camp.

Corporation that develop software reduced their machines count by replacing Dev/QA machines with iMacs so that the Developpers/QA teams can develop & test on the 3 OS at the same time.

As soon as boot camp got out, the company replaced all the G5 & X86 with brand new iMacs with Boot Camp Installed!

Edited 2006-07-26 18:56

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RE: Reason is simple
by rm6990 on Wed 26th Jul 2006 18:54 UTC in reply to "Reason is simple"
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Yes, because all of corporate America consists of software companies writing applications for multiple operating systems.

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RE[2]: Reason is simple
by Gryzor on Wed 26th Jul 2006 19:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Reason is simple"
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Yes, because all of corporate America consists of software companies writing applications for multiple operating systems

... yet neither all of corp America consists of Office Users...

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Huh?
by Ronald Vos on Wed 26th Jul 2006 19:36 UTC
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"There still is the perception, although it is less and less, that IT departments don't want to deal with Macs because they are Unix-based."

Can anyone support this? This sounds simply outrageous.

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RE: Huh?
by ThanhLy on Wed 26th Jul 2006 20:56 UTC in reply to "Huh?"
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2006-03-14

Count the number of "professionals" in an IT shop with MCSE's. If Windows is all they know, of course they won't bother with alternatives.

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RE: Huh?
by butters on Thu 27th Jul 2006 04:00 UTC in reply to "Huh?"
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It's not quite outrageous, but it's still wrong. Maybe some MS-centric IT departments try to avoid UNIX-y stuff, but IT departments wanted even less to do with Macs before they were UNIX-based. The more accurate statement would be:

"There still is the perception, although it is less and less, that IT departments don't want to deal with Macs because they don't come with Windows."

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RE[2]: Huh?
by OMRebel on Thu 27th Jul 2006 15:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Huh?"
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"There still is the perception, although it is less and less, that IT departments don't want to deal with Macs because they don't come with Windows."

Actually, most IT departments don't want to deal with Macs because they do not offer anything to the company but additional costs. The purpose of a platform switch is to save money, while either maintaining or increasing productivity and services. If a switch was made to OSX, then you would see a huge jump in spending. This is where Linux comes in. Older machines that have been replaced by newer Windows machines can be wiped and have Linux loaded on them, and then put into immediate use without any additional costs.

For those that work in IT departments, we have seen the trend of IT budgets being tightened up. CFO's are not interested in spending more money. They are looking for ways to cut spending. This is why OSX is not a consideration for the majority of companies out there. Unless the company does graphic designs or web development, they have no reason to choose OSX over Linux.

Now, before I get flamed by OSX fans/users, I will point out that Apple has made large strides in developing a good OS in OSX. But, until Apple opens up OSX to run on "PC"s, then they will be behind Linux when it comes to platform migrations in the office place. If a company can see that they can switch to OSX without having to purchase additional hardware (and the price of the OS is around $100 USD), then OSX would be a consideration. But, it just makes too much sense, right now, to choose Linux over OSX as an alternative OS.

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Onslaught of articles.
by Finchwizard on Wed 26th Jul 2006 22:19 UTC
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Prepare for the onslaught of articles as Vista approaches release.

As someone managing a School, there's good points for Windows and good points for Macs.

Sure Macs would make life easier, not sure if many people have really used OS X server and clients, with all the imaging you can do, Remote Desktop, Media potential, and even simple restricting of whether the app can run or can't.

For education at least, I can see Macs really improving a lot of productivity. Not sure what it's like in other business's.

I don't think Unix has anything to do with why they won't put it in, maybe they fear because they don't know much about it, so they stick with what they know.

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RE: Onslaught of articles.
by butters on Thu 27th Jul 2006 04:18 UTC in reply to "Onslaught of articles."
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2005-07-08

An onslaught of articles I can handle. An onslaught of articles as bad as this one? Not so sure. I don't know about anyone else, but this article made me feel borderline retarded.

Since when is there a free program that let's Mac users run Windows on Mac OSX? Boot Camp doesn't do this, and Parallels isn't free.

The author somehow correlate Apple's hardware/software integration with the platform's resistance to malware. It's a stretch to imply any relationship between these ideas, but if I had to, I would say that this integration could *possibly* make the Mac platform a little *easier* to exploit. In practice, probably not.

Then he suggests that Macs run the same types of software that Windows does. I guess millions of Apple customers are delighted to hear that Macs now run win32 executables and link their dlls!

The author must have asked everybody in Winchester, PA about Macs, which is a great way to get a good sample. He even asked the manager of a Costco who obviously doesn't realize that the poor sales of Macs relative to HP computers is probably due to the fact that they didn't restock when they ran our of Macs.

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RE[2]: Onslaught of articles.
by evangs on Thu 27th Jul 2006 06:36 UTC in reply to "RE: Onslaught of articles."
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Qemu is free. It's performance sucks badly though.

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33 percent?
by Anonymous Penguin on Wed 26th Jul 2006 22:28 UTC
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Well, when you reach such a high share, it would be wise to consider substantial price cuts.

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RE: 33 percent?
by evangs on Thu 27th Jul 2006 06:37 UTC in reply to "33 percent?"
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2005-07-07

And what pray tell would those price cuts achieve?

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RE[2]: 33 percent?
by Anonymous Penguin on Thu 27th Jul 2006 07:10 UTC in reply to "RE: 33 percent?"
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2005-07-06

Obvious, an even higher share, and not only on "the desks of corporate America".

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yes!
by SK8T on Wed 26th Jul 2006 22:44 UTC
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2006-06-01

time to switch i think! I'm so happy about this progress

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What i see where I work
by grrr on Thu 27th Jul 2006 00:27 UTC
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What i see where I work there is a lot of new macs being bought but only for research and marketing types going to conferences showing presentations macing folders and websites. I do not see our internal application's (delphi,foxpro,visual basic) ported to mac.

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RE: What i see where I work
by Governa on Thu 27th Jul 2006 01:10 UTC in reply to "What i see where I work"
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I would expect your 'internal apps' to be professinal stuff... but delphi? foxpro? visual basic?

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RE[2]: What i see where I work
by grrr on Thu 27th Jul 2006 01:21 UTC in reply to "RE: What i see where I work"
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No they are for admistration of customers and production we are a fusion of some small nonprofit ... All future projects are going to be developed in java so there is hope

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RE: What i see where I work
by TomB7 on Thu 27th Jul 2006 13:42 UTC in reply to "What i see where I work"
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2006-01-03

Visula Basic is easily replaced by Realbasic. The rest of you needs sound like simple database stuff, no?

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RE[2]: What i see where I work
by grrr on Thu 27th Jul 2006 19:33 UTC in reply to "RE: What i see where I work"
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Yes I know I am a totaly crazy mac fanboy I think it is posible but I am not the boss. But when did database stuff become easy?

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RE[3]: What i see where I work
by TomB7 on Thu 27th Jul 2006 20:36 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: What i see where I work"
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I suppose some very hairy DB task could be difficult, but 99% of it is dead simple.

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More "great" articles
by Soulbender on Thu 27th Jul 2006 05:58 UTC
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"There still is the perception, although it is less and less, that IT departments don't want to deal with Macs because they are Unix-based."
"Still"?? Whatever the perception has been, I'm pretty sure the traditional perception of Mac's aren't that they are UNIX-based.

"Macs are Macs because they handle such things as video conferencing with a little camera on the iMac and MacBook."
Uh, and PC's dont have those kind of cameras? How does having a camera make Macs "Macs"?

"Apple software is written a little bit differently," said Steam. "It is more integrated with the hardware. You can't put OS X Tiger [operating system] on an HP computer, whereas Windows goes on hardware."

Say what? Well, you cant run Windows on an iMac either so I guess that makes Windows "more integrated". And what OS isn't "integrated with the hardware"?
Nice grammar too; "whereas Windows goes on hardware".
What does that even mean? OSX doesnt run on hardware?

"Gen Y and Gen X, which for a while had written Apple off, the iPod has brought Apple to the forefront"
Who the heck is Generation Y?

Are there *ANY* good IT journalists left? How about interviewing "experts" who actually have a clue?

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RE: More "great" articles
by collywolly on Thu 27th Jul 2006 09:13 UTC in reply to "More "great" articles"
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2006-06-19

"Macs are Macs because they handle such things as video conferencing with a little camera on the iMac and MacBook."
Uh, and PC's dont have those kind of cameras? How does having a camera make Macs "Macs"?


You need to read the next line,
"It's part of the software package, and you need a high-speed Internet connection, but it's beginning to catch on"

It's a software implementation of a camera! How do they do that???

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RE: More "great" articles
by werpu on Thu 27th Jul 2006 21:52 UTC in reply to "More "great" articles"
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2006-01-18

>Are there *ANY* good IT journalists left? How about >interviewing "experts" who actually have a clue?

Short answer, no

Long answer, someone who is knowledgable in IT usually does not end as it journalist, I do not know what the background of those people writing for mass media it journalism is, but it is definitely not comp sci, probably they majored in english etc...

Serious IT articles cannot be found in business magazines with IT printed on top of it, you can find those in the remaining handful of real it magazines like the german iX, or more hardcore stuff like Sigs...

The so called IT journalism is nothing more than often business papers revolving around computers printed on top and often written by people with more knowledge in writing skills than computers at all, and also written for the same audience.

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RE: More "great" articles
by The Baron on Fri 28th Jul 2006 00:20 UTC in reply to "More "great" articles"
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2005-07-06

I can't wait for another journalist to interview an "expert" like Rob Enderle or Laura DiDido! The only time they make no sense is when their lips move.

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It's about time
by TomB7 on Thu 27th Jul 2006 13:17 UTC
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Business is "monkey see; monkey do". Once a few Fortune 500's figure out what we have known a long time -- that Macs make you more productive-- expect the flood gates to open. I worked in a company that downgraded to Mac to Win 95 and it was a horrible, horrible experience. IT support costs ballooned.

But we couldn't get management to switch us back because 1) they would have had to own up to making a mistake 2) Apple was "doomed" back then. To be sure AAPl was more doomed then than now; now its just Micheal Dell and Ron Enderle doing the "Apple is doomed" speech, and the usability and quality gap between Mac and PC has widened a lot.

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If Microsoft were smart...
by MikeekiM on Thu 27th Jul 2006 14:17 UTC
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2005-11-16

If Microsoft were smart, they'd dump IE, and build Asp.Net to support Foxfire.
- No Browser development expense!
- Near 100% web site compatibility with Microsoft software1.
- No business arm twisting to build some dumb tech: ActiveX.

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RE: If Microsoft were smart...
by TomB7 on Thu 27th Jul 2006 14:24 UTC in reply to "If Microsoft were smart..."
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2006-01-03

Agreed. They have effectively dumped IE already-- finish the job.

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Unix Backends...
by MikeekiM on Thu 27th Jul 2006 14:19 UTC
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Why wouldn't a company with a Unix backend system:
AIX, Solaris, HP-UX, Linux...

Run desktop Mac systems?
There's a clear productivity benefit to having Apples/Microsoft desktop solutions, while you develop and support unix from the Apple "Terminal" window.

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