Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 27th Jul 2006 17:38 UTC, submitted by Coldfirex
SkyOS The SkyOS team has released a long-awaited update to its operating system. This new update brings full desktop compositing, various toolchain updates (everything is now compiled with GCC 4.1.1), new versions of various applications, 440 fixed bugs, and much more.
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CTP
by dcibils on Thu 27th Jul 2006 17:55 UTC
dcibils
Member since:
2005-12-28

Give me a CTP! Then I'll buy it.

Reply Score: 1

RE: CTP
by Kroc on Thu 27th Jul 2006 20:51 UTC in reply to "CTP"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Why not give your support with your money, and you'll help everybody get a CTP sooner?

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: CTP
by dcibils on Thu 27th Jul 2006 21:32 UTC in reply to "RE: CTP"
dcibils Member since:
2005-12-28

I wouldn't mind supporting them with my money. But give me something to see it in action. A 24-hour trial demo with some "copying files is not available in this demo" restrictions!

After that, I will for sure sign up for the beta, rc or whatever.

I've only seen screenshots and changelogs so far, very impressive indeed.

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: CTP
by Emerson on Fri 28th Jul 2006 06:29 UTC in reply to "RE: CTP"
Emerson Member since:
2005-09-19

I did, now I hope they use my money to implement an automated password dispensary system for placed orders.

Mostly kidding, but it is a little annoying to wait for a url in these days where they're usually delivered within five minutes.

Reply Score: 1

cache
by Darkness on Thu 27th Jul 2006 18:25 UTC
Darkness
Member since:
2005-08-27

if server is down, the newspost on skyos.org site is basicly the second newspost from the google cache page with an extra remark that build 6132 has been released as beta.

So you can read the changes in that 2nd post:

http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:YDc98F9QRssJ:www.skyos.org/+sky...

Reply Score: 3

Yea Yea.
by pupdawg on Thu 27th Jul 2006 19:53 UTC
pupdawg
Member since:
2006-04-03

New build... major new features... never done... nothing to see here. Do a damn feature freeze and release it. ;)

Reply Score: 4

RE: Yea Yea.
by makc on Sat 29th Jul 2006 13:39 UTC in reply to "Yea Yea."
makc Member since:
2006-01-11

You must be the kind of user who judges an os by the skin of the interface (Yes, some don't have one and it's no bad) ;)

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swap?
by ferrix on Fri 28th Jul 2006 00:45 UTC
ferrix
Member since:
2005-07-06

Their site is down at the moment so I can't check if this new build finally has the one and only feature I've been waiting for: is swap finally enabled?
Because until that's done, it cannot run (officially) on machines with less than 512mb of RAM and this is one thing that truly frustrates me about SkyOS. While I have a couple of old machines 'to play with' I could use for SkyOS, none of them have enough memory...
(Yes, I paid for access to beta and I've been waiting for more than a year now for a build I could actually use)

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RE: swap?
by ormandj on Fri 28th Jul 2006 01:17 UTC in reply to "swap?"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

Go buy a 5 dollar 256 meg stick of ram? Whip out the big notes and buy a 512 meg stick? It's not like you'd want to run anything on any machine with under 512mb anyways. As for swap being enabled, I *briefly* looked at the site earlier when it was up, and I do not remember reading about the swap being enabled. that MAY or MAY not be true, that's just from the brief scan I did.

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RE[2]: swap?
by djohnston on Fri 28th Jul 2006 05:15 UTC in reply to "RE: swap?"
djohnston Member since:
2006-04-11

5 bucks for a 256 mb stick of RAM? Post the link. I'd like to see it.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: swap?
by ormandj on Fri 28th Jul 2006 05:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: swap?"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

http://cgi.ebay.com/PC133-256MB-RAM-Memory-Desk-top_W0QQitemZ150013...

eBay is your friend for old crappy systems and old crappy ram. Price may go up with bidding, but it'll end likely under 10$. That's just one such auction, there are thousands, do a search for "256mb ram".

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RE[4]: swap?
by Emerson on Fri 28th Jul 2006 06:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: swap?"
Emerson Member since:
2005-09-19

Used ram? That's one step away from actively looking for ways to maim your computer.

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RE[5]: swap?
by ormandj on Fri 28th Jul 2006 06:28 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: swap?"
ormandj Member since:
2005-10-09

If the computer doesn't even have 512mb in it to begin with, do you REALLY think it's that big of an issue? Obviously this isn't exactly a mission critical computer we're talking about (the guy wants to run SkyOS on it). If 256megs of ram is too much for him to buy retail, then his only option IS used.

Reply Score: 1

RE: swap?
by Darkness on Fri 28th Jul 2006 09:46 UTC in reply to "swap?"
Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

A freshly booted skyos system takes around 200MB or even less RAM.
The bigger applications like firefox and thunderbird take a lot of ram at this point.

If you are just using the smaller apps, you have enough with 300MB, which is the amount I use for vmware all the time.

And no, unfortunately swap is not enabled yet.

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Development
by Andre4s on Fri 28th Jul 2006 12:06 UTC
Andre4s
Member since:
2006-02-10

How is this OS developed? free time? empoleed devs? not open source if I remember right.

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RE: Development
by Ronald Vos on Fri 28th Jul 2006 12:34 UTC in reply to "Development"
Ronald Vos Member since:
2005-07-06

How is this OS developed?

By one monster-coder who probably sold someone's soul in exchange for the gift of programming non-stop. I don't know how he supports himself, but the paid beta's cover a bit. There's also some extra coders/site-maintainers helping out. I presume they don't get paid a lot, based on SkyOS' income.

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RE[2]: Development
by marshmanthe1st on Fri 28th Jul 2006 15:17 UTC in reply to "RE: Development"
marshmanthe1st Member since:
2005-12-31

Robert the main coder has a Full Time job as well as working on SkyOS, this is how he support's himself.

The other coders work for free.

The money raised by Beta purchases is used for Hardware and Server maintenance.

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Roadmap
by dcibils on Fri 28th Jul 2006 16:55 UTC
dcibils
Member since:
2005-12-28

I know the phrase "When it's done" but does SkyOS has a defined roadmap to complete?

I've seen nice additions and overhauls of it, but what is expected to be delivered to end users ?

For example, Haiku has a roadmap. When all those bars get to green status, there will be Kaiku 1.0.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Roadmap
by sogabe on Fri 28th Jul 2006 17:47 UTC in reply to "Roadmap"
sogabe Member since:
2006-04-27

Haiku does not have a roadmap.

You are most likely referring to this:

http://haiku-os.org/learn.php?mode=status

This is just a development status chart on a kit basis. Addmitted by the project members themselves, this chart is not even up to date.

Edited 2006-07-28 17:51

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: Roadmap
by makc on Sat 29th Jul 2006 13:49 UTC in reply to "RE: Roadmap"
makc Member since:
2006-01-11

dcibils indeed didn't refer correctly to Haiku roadmap, but it's not true it doesen't have one.
The page you linked (and the one dcibils was referring too indeed) shows the status of parts, towards Haiku first goal: R5 compatibility.

Having a roadmap means having defined plans for the future, and Haiku does have ideas on how to go beyond the first release.

Given the development model of SkyOS, I'd also like to know what is the readmap to the first release and if there are already ideas for the future - or if it's just too early to think about it.
Maybe someone has a link? ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: Roadmap
by sogabe on Sun 30th Jul 2006 06:55 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Roadmap"
sogabe Member since:
2006-04-27

For a roadmap to be meaningful, it should show milestones and target dates (that can be adjusted over time if needed).

R5 compatibility may be a goal for Haiku 1.0, but to pretend that that alone is a roadmap for the project is a bit too simplistic (IMHO). Here is a good example:

http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/roadmap.html

Does Haiku have such a roadmap?

Reply Score: 1