Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 15th Sep 2006 16:56 UTC, submitted by SEJeff
Ubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu With a slight delay, the next development snapshot of Ubuntu Edgy Eft has been released. As usual, it is available for x86, PowerPC, and AMD64. Edgy Eft's final release is scheduled for coming October. The proposed goals for Edgy Eft are listed on Ubuntu's Launchpad.
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v WPA PSK
by nick_h on Fri 15th Sep 2006 17:18 UTC
RE: WPA PSK
by zerohalo on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:08 UTC in reply to "WPA PSK"
zerohalo Member since:
2005-07-26

Don't we already have WPA working in Dapper with NetworkManager?

Having said that, I haven't been able to connect to a WPA -TLS network (Windows) at work using a private key, instead of passphrase. I have been able to connect to other WPA passphrase-protected networks. I figured it was something wrong with either my connection or the server, but maybe it's because it's not properly implemented in Dapper-NetworkManager yet?

I don't see WPA on Edgy's goal list.

Reply Score: 1

RE: WPA PSK
by Nezumi on Fri 15th Sep 2006 20:40 UTC in reply to "WPA PSK"
Nezumi Member since:
2006-04-02

The state of the RT61 driver and wireless (esp WPA PSK/TKIP) is sadly keeping me away from the Linux desktop at the moment.

I must make it clear that I don't 'blame' (for want of a better word) the 'community', but I do feel that the general state of wireless on Linux is a sore point.

I'm confident it'll happen in time, i'm just frustrated because the rest of a Linux environment is where I want to be.

For me, Kubuntu is more exciting than anything due from Redmond... And trust me, I've seen /all/ of the Vista/Longhorn releases...

Reply Score: 5

RE[2]: WPA PSK
by leech on Sat 16th Sep 2006 00:08 UTC in reply to "RE: WPA PSK"
leech Member since:
2006-01-10

I will say that I have not had a single problem with getting my wireless to work. But then again, when I bought my laptop, I made sure of one thing. That everything on it I wanted to use was supported by linux. By this I mean it has an Intel Wireless card, nVidia graphics, etc. Intel's cards have open source drivers (unfortunately they have a firmware for them that is not provided by standard Debian, so I had to download that separately to get wireless when I went back to Sid.

Besides, Intel wireless cards are very well priced as well, and most laptops use the mini-pci wireless cards. So it shouldn't be too difficult to replace them.

Reply Score: 5

RE[3]: WPA PSK
by netpython on Sat 16th Sep 2006 07:38 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: WPA PSK"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

And the company gets rewarded for their good effort:-)

Reply Score: 2

Eh...
by maxx_730 on Fri 15th Sep 2006 17:31 UTC
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2005-12-14

No release notes/announcement?

Reply Score: 1

RE: Eh...
by diegocg on Fri 15th Sep 2006 17:39 UTC in reply to "Eh..."
diegocg Member since:
2005-07-08

http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot3

It looks like it's not official still - you can check https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-Septemb... to read the announcement, it's still not there but it'll be soon

Reply Score: 4

v WTF
by Eric Martin on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:02 UTC
RE: WTF
by rayiner on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:05 UTC in reply to "WTF"
rayiner Member since:
2005-07-06

Um, the only acronyms in there are the well-known CPU names. Everything else is a word.

It simply means that the third preview release of the next version of Ubuntu has been released.

Reply Score: 4

RE[2]: WTF
by digitaldisaster on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:51 UTC in reply to "RE: WTF"
digitaldisaster Member since:
2006-01-02

Indeed, there is only one acronym in the story, and that is AMD which is a well known company, or at least should be among people visiting this site. The only other thing they could possibly have been refering to is x86 which is an abbreviation of 80x86 and not an acronym!

Reply Score: 4

RE: WTF
by macisaac on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:17 UTC in reply to "WTF"
macisaac Member since:
2005-08-28

odd comment from someone who used "WTF" as their subject line...

Reply Score: 5

RE: WTF
by netpython on Fri 15th Sep 2006 19:41 UTC in reply to "WTF"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe it's meant for people who actually install and experience easily what has been changed :-)

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No big news in Edgy
by chris_dk on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:48 UTC
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2005-07-12

I don't really see that many big news in Edgy other that the upgrade to the newest Gnome.

Maybe the interesting things will happen in Edgy+1.

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RE: No big news in Edgy
by digitaldisaster on Fri 15th Sep 2006 18:49 UTC in reply to "No big news in Edgy"
digitaldisaster Member since:
2006-01-02

IIRC the development period for Edgy is shorter due to the lengthened development period for Dapper. Having said that replacining init is a huge (and long overdue) task

Reply Score: 5

nice
by netpython on Fri 15th Sep 2006 19:40 UTC
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2005-07-06

With edgy eft they have managed to improve what's good allready.

Gnome 2.16 is very snappy if i may say so.Other features:Bon Echo (firefox 2.0b1),keyboard option (finally it's dead on to select us-intl keyboard layout in order to get the "" euro.Maybe they could include a monitor database as well during install).I didn't have the inmedied need to change the theme settings,not bad exept usplash doesn't behave as it should.

All in all a very impressive test release:-)

Reply Score: 2

Smar Package Manager
by Excel Hearts Choi on Fri 15th Sep 2006 20:13 UTC
Excel Hearts Choi
Member since:
2006-07-08

Did I miss something? I thought Smart Package Manager was supposed to ship with this release? I checked the above links and did not see anything. Does anybody else know anything about this, or did I just make it up? Thanks.

Reply Score: 1

RE: Smar Package Manager
by yanik on Fri 15th Sep 2006 20:29 UTC in reply to "Smar Package Manager"
yanik Member since:
2005-07-13

Never heard that. I hope not! Is there something wrong with apt? apt has super cow power, you know? Beside, I don't think it would be an easy task to make synaptic work with smartpm.

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Smar Package Manager
by Terracotta on Fri 15th Sep 2006 20:42 UTC in reply to "RE: Smar Package Manager"
Terracotta Member since:
2005-08-15

Smart is available in the repos, I use it but it's not as good as aptitude or apt-get yet. The advantage of smart is that it can handle rpm's as well, it can handle rpm-repos and the like too (not that one would want rpm's on a deb system but I guess it's better than using "alien" to convert rpm's to debs). That being said, it's not that difficult to make synaptic work with smart, just change a few commands, smart is based on apt so it's not that different, even the commands are almost all the same except that there's no "smart dist-upgrade", just "smart upgrade", don't know if it acts like "aptitude upgrade" or "aptitude dist-upgrade".

Reply Score: 2

RE: Smar Package Manager
by Excel Hearts Choi on Fri 15th Sep 2006 20:42 UTC in reply to "Smar Package Manager"
Excel Hearts Choi Member since:
2006-07-08

Here it is: https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/smartpm

It looks like it will be under review for future releases. I am under the impression that every other realease (starting with Edgy) will really integrate new features to get feedback about putting them into the "more conservative" releases like Dapper.

Oh, and to just prove that I am not crazy, here are a list of sites that also talk about the inclusion of Smart (the last one was written by Shuttleworth himself):
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=190187
http://trends.newsforge.com/trends/06/06/22/1524249.shtml?tid=138&t...
http://lwn.net/Articles/180562/

Reply Score: 5

Little Changes equals big impression
by nzMM on Fri 15th Sep 2006 20:53 UTC
nzMM
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2006-06-22

At least that's the way i see it, not allot has changed in the sense that you can go "wow, we have this new piece of software which does x, y AND z!"

It's nice, little tid-bits in the right places have been changed, allot of it has been little UI tweaks and the like, and its surprising the way it actually does make a big difference on the desktop.

Of course it has new GNOME and a few other beta and just released bits and pieces, but not Edgy in the strictest sense.

Reply Score: 1

jdodson Member since:
2006-03-29

"Of course it has new GNOME and a few other beta and just released bits and pieces, but not Edgy in the strictest sense."

Yeah well, Shuttleworth did leave it up to the developers to come up with what wanted to be implemented in Edgy, and by and large its process/cleanup and features like upstart(an amazing project, but nothing really bling, bling worthy unless it reduces load time considerably which it could). Gnome 2.16 was pretty conservative as well, mostly focusing on speed and polish.

Edgy Eft is not quite as edgy as it was originally pronounced to be, but it will still be a great release.

Still, the new UI polish is nice to look at, but for my development(work) machine, Dapper will be fine.

At home I might try Eft, the new totem/firefox plugin looks really cool. Oh and trying out Jokosher without compiling GStreamer CVS would be nice.

Reply Score: 1

g2devi Member since:
2005-07-09

These three features are also interesting:
https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/common-customiza...
https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/dependency-remov...
https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xen-edgy
https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/home-user-backup

It appears that Xen will have some support in Edgy (though not full support as was first expected) as will AIXGL (unofficially) since X.org 7.1 is in Edgy. There's also some work in the "common-customizations" spec to try to make it easier to have custom customizations like EasyUbuntu and Automatrix. The "home-user-backup" hopes to make packing things up easier and the "dependency-removal" spec also looks interesting. The premise is that after a few releases or after a lot of experimenting with packages, your system becomes clogged with a lot of library DEBs that used to be needed but no longer are. The "dependency-removal" spec will try to fix this issue. When you uninstall a DEB, it will look for any library DEBs that this DEB was installed with, and if they are no longer needed by any other DEB, it will uninstall them.

Edited 2006-09-15 23:05

Reply Score: 4

dsmogor Member since:
2005-09-01

Just a hint, aptitude implements it over apt. If you olny use aptitude you already have dependency removal.
By the way, it's a shame such a basic feature haven't been emplemented in apt yet.

Reply Score: 3

WPS PSK
by nick_h on Fri 15th Sep 2006 22:08 UTC
nick_h
Member since:
2006-02-19

Just having native WPA-PSK would be the clincher for me.

It isn't hard to get it running, but my grandma couldn't do it...

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Reply Score: 1

RE: WPS PSK
by zerohalo on Sat 16th Sep 2006 00:07 UTC in reply to "WPS PSK"
zerohalo Member since:
2005-07-26

Unlikely that any grandmas would need to connect to a WPA-PSK wireless network ... :-)

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: WPS PSK
by netpython on Sat 16th Sep 2006 05:37 UTC in reply to "RE: WPS PSK"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

My mother did have to,but i just bought a wireless nic with a chipset known to be supported.

Reply Score: 2

upstart is already in there!
by HanZo on Sat 16th Sep 2006 01:39 UTC
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Member since:
2006-03-10

an amazing project, but nothing really bling, bling worthy unless it reduces load time considerably which it could

I have installed upstart and it already manages some of the boot up process... it may be my subjective impression but boot time seems to be shorter, and so seems to be shut down.

Reply Score: 1

RE: upstart is already in there!
by aent on Sat 16th Sep 2006 18:28 UTC in reply to "upstart is already in there!"
aent Member since:
2006-01-25

Shutdown is a lot faster since Ubuntu now doesn't really care much about making sure programs that don't have a real state aren't waited for on shutting down. For example, it doesn't really matter if HAL is killed before shutdown as when power is cut to the computer, no data will be lost. Its a waste of time to wait for HAL to clean itself up if its not going to matter in a couple of seconds. Bootup seems about the same speed for me now though...

Reply Score: 1

Edgy Eft
by blitze on Sat 16th Sep 2006 07:03 UTC
blitze
Member since:
2006-09-15

Only just installed Knot 2 but the 64bit version.

Seems a nice release and I will let the computer do an upgrade over night so Knot 3.

Am finding some things a pain on the 64bit version like getting Opera going but there are answers on the forums which point me in the right direction.

Still, not as easy to get 32bit apps going as it is on Vista 64 RC1

Now I only have to get sound enabled on both. Vista will have to wait a month before I get beta drivers for my sound hardware but Edgy, hmmm, why didn't it detect my Echo Gina3G automatically?

More time to spend with the system.

Reply Score: 1

K800i
by netpython on Sat 16th Sep 2006 07:33 UTC
netpython
Member since:
2005-07-06

I bought a Sony Ericson K800i cybershot cell phone yesterday.I whas a bit afraid i had to install windows in order to download video,mp3,mp4 etc from the phone.

The phone just got mounted like any other device automagically on edgy eft:-) awsome.

Reply Score: 2

RE: K800i
by netpython on Sat 16th Sep 2006 10:25 UTC in reply to "K800i"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Update:Vista RC1 BOFD picture;http://netpython.blogspot.com

Edited 2006-09-16 10:26

Reply Score: 1

Cds only
by siki_miki on Sat 16th Sep 2006 10:30 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-17

Damn, they don't have DVD images for prereleases. I don't intend to download gigs of packages on my traffic-limited home connection (as I can download iso elsewhere). Is there a solution?

Maybe something from this spec:
https://features.launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/cdrom-based-dist...

Reply Score: 2

pppoeconf
by macisaac on Sat 16th Sep 2006 15:04 UTC
macisaac
Member since:
2005-08-28

trying it here on my G4, nice stuff overall I have to admit.

however, if like me you run using pppoe for your network here's a tip to preventing you from deleting it from your hard drive after getting it installed..(like I almost did): pppoeconf is slightly busted as is. after some googling (in my osx partition) it's an easy fix, comment out lines 22-24 in the pppoeconf script, so that zenity isn't called as the $DIALOG. (for some reason zenity isn't working right it seems)

Reply Score: 2

gnome system tools
by h-milch-mann on Sat 16th Sep 2006 22:36 UTC
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2005-10-27

Edgy is really nice but one thing really annoys me - gnome system tools. A user in the admin group can run all tools without an extra password check like in all other apps that require root privileges. A "normal user" can run the tools too, but sees no info (users and groups) and gets an error when she tries to change something. This looks really unpolished and it seems it won't be fixed until release.

Reply Score: 4

vmware
by netpython on Sun 17th Sep 2006 08:16 UTC
netpython
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2005-07-06

Edgy Eft runs without any problems under vmware on Vista RC1.

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RE: vmware
by spikeb on Sun 17th Sep 2006 10:09 UTC in reply to "vmware"
spikeb Member since:
2006-01-18

haha

Reply Score: 1

wpa under dapper
by JATF on Sun 17th Sep 2006 12:54 UTC
JATF
Member since:
2006-06-19

it doesn't work with dappers release of network manager. edgy's newer release of nm probably does. for convenience i use knetworkmanager on dapper. i agree with the people who say *nix wireless security support is bad. no one should have to use wep.

Browser: Opera/8.01 (J2ME/MIDP; Opera Mini/2.0.4459/1316; en; U; ssr)

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What's so great about the new init?
by deb2006 on Sun 17th Sep 2006 14:31 UTC
deb2006
Member since:
2006-06-26

Well, now there's a new init ... Can someone tell me what's so grat about it? I don't get it. Startup and shutdown times are about the same as in Dapper ...

Reply Score: 1

devnull Member since:
2005-07-06

Upstart, the new init system from Ubuntu is not installed by default under Edgy you need to apt-get dist-upgrade or
wait for the update icon to appear right top. After that you will notice the startup/shutdown time will be less. Keep in mind its also beta so do not expect to much at this point.

Reply Score: 1

Bnonn Member since:
2005-09-02

No, Upstart is installed by default in Edgy (see < http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/knot3 >). The point of Upstart is not to provide a faster bootup; although this may be a side-effect of using Upstart, it's really quite irrelevant to its purpose. Upstart is intended to provide an event-based system that is better able to guarantee a robust boot process and deal with the events from the modern kernel and removable hardware. The point of it is to improve the way that Ubuntu deals with the dynamic nature of modern PCs, which sysvinit is really quite bad at doing since it was designed for non-dynamic, monolithic servers.

Please refer to < https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReplacementInit >.

Edited 2006-09-17 22:37

Reply Score: 2

nice
by davegetrag on Mon 18th Sep 2006 01:17 UTC
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2006-03-31

really nice if you like ubuntu...

Reply Score: 1