Linked by Thom Holwerda on Wed 20th Sep 2006 13:11 UTC, submitted by martini
OS/2 and eComStation Serenity Systems International is pleased to announce the first public beta of OpenOffice.org 2.0 for eComStation and OS/2. This build is based on the 2.0.3 sourcecode of OpenOffice.org, making it on par with the current Windows releases. Beta 1 is available for immediate download in English, German, Italian and Dutch to all customers of the Support Agreement for OpenOffice.org for eComStation and IBM OS/2, via their download-area at the Mensys Online Shop.
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Too bad
by Jondice on Wed 20th Sep 2006 13:21 UTC
Jondice
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2006-09-20

Too bad ecomstation is prohibitively expensive, even the academic version is $190.00. It would be nice if they simply had a non-commercial license that was <$50.00 if not somthing like OpenVMS's hobbyist program.

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RE: Too bad
by Sparrowhawk on Wed 20th Sep 2006 14:06 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
Sparrowhawk Member since:
2005-07-11

My understanding is that eComStation pricing is dictated to a large degree by the per-license fee that IBM charges Serenity for the OS/2 element of each copy of eCS sold. I think that Serenity would love to sell eCS more cheaply, if it could.

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RE: Too bad
by netpython on Wed 20th Sep 2006 14:17 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
netpython Member since:
2005-07-06

Why is it relatively expensive compared to retail linux distros?

Got my answer in the above post i think.

Edited 2006-09-20 14:18

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RE[2]: Too bad
by deb2006 on Wed 20th Sep 2006 14:24 UTC in reply to "RE: Too bad"
deb2006 Member since:
2006-06-26

I don't know any retail linux version for $ 190,00. Do you? BTW: We're not talking about any enterprise Linux version.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by dylansmrjones on Wed 20th Sep 2006 19:26 UTC in reply to "RE: Too bad"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

A 1-person license for RHEL WS is 280 DKK, that'll be 47.57 USD. And that's one-third of the price for a XP Home license.

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RE: Too bad
by rcsteiner on Wed 20th Sep 2006 14:44 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

Yup. The pricing effectively reduces their potential market to current OS/2 users like myself and to a few business users. And maybe to a few very curious people who are willing to spend that kind of money.

It's a shame.

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RE[2]: Too bad
by twenex on Wed 20th Sep 2006 15:14 UTC in reply to "RE: Too bad"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

Yep, I'd be more than willing to try out OS/2 if I could get it more easily - even a time-limited LiveCD would be better than the current options.

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RE[3]: Too bad
by Jondice on Wed 20th Sep 2006 16:21 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
Jondice Member since:
2006-09-20

They do have a free liveCD, but, that isn't really what I'm looking for - I know the basic feature set already, and I know that I couldn't justify spending $190.00 on it.

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RE[3]: Too bad
by rcsteiner on Wed 20th Sep 2006 21:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Too bad"
rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

There *is* a liveCD for eComStation:

http://www.ecomstation.com/democd/

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RE: Too bad
by orfanum on Wed 20th Sep 2006 16:19 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
orfanum Member since:
2006-06-02

I agree wholeheartedly - C'mon IBM (if they are the ones placing this barrier on the retail price), if you won't open source OS2, at least give it a better chance in its renewed guise of eComStation!

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RE: Too bad
by dylansmrjones on Wed 20th Sep 2006 19:27 UTC in reply to "Too bad"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

I agree. Even the academic version is double what I can pay at the moment. It'll take three months to get the amount unless I want to eat porridge for dinner everyday ;)

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uh
by davegetrag on Wed 20th Sep 2006 15:07 UTC
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2006-03-31

mensys? menses? I think whoever came up with the name needs a good kick!

(okay mod me down)

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RE: uh
by Brmbolec on Wed 20th Sep 2006 20:03 UTC in reply to "uh"
Brmbolec Member since:
2005-07-23

Owner of that company is Menso. I think it's not a weird name in Netherlands, maybe sounds bad in english only ;)

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eComStation Demo - download
by frik85 on Wed 20th Sep 2006 15:47 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-26

eComStation Demo - download:

http://www.ecomstation.com/democd/

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Does IBM still sell OS/2?
by tomcat on Wed 20th Sep 2006 17:23 UTC
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2006-01-06

Just curious.

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RE: Does IBM still sell OS/2?
by dylansmrjones on Wed 20th Sep 2006 19:28 UTC in reply to "Does IBM still sell OS/2?"
dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Not AFAIK. But of course I could be wrong. But IBM has EOL'ed OS/2, so I don't think it's buyable anymore.

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RE: Does IBM still sell OS/2?
by flywheel on Thu 21st Sep 2006 09:41 UTC in reply to "Does IBM still sell OS/2?"
flywheel Member since:
2005-12-28

They haven't sold it public for some time - very few IBM employees the last few years even know what OS/2 is.

But on their OS/2 website theres a log-on for Existing and large enterprise customers.

Remember if there's a profit, there's nothing IBM will not sell to anybody.

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Open Office for Windows 95 Beta 1
by Xaero_Vincent on Wed 20th Sep 2006 20:31 UTC
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Member since:
2006-08-18

I tried the eComStation OS/2 Live CD recently and wasn't impressed to say the least. There isn't even support for multiple users from what I could tell!Plus there was no 3D accelerated drivers for my graphics card and sound didn't work for anything. Their biggest showcase seemed to be the included Flash Player 5, which has been obsolete for years. The interface is reminiscent of Windows 98 but doesn't even rival Windows 95 at functionability. Fine OK... it has multiple workspaces like *nix desktops but that is the only interesting thing.

How could they even expect to interest anyone with this mound of steaming dung for free, let alone selling it for a profit? I'm sure!

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Sparrowhawk Member since:
2005-07-11

Version 2.0 addresses some of your concerns:

Multiple users - I believe this is coming in the new version.

Accelerated 2D support for hundreds of graphics cards (plus some 3D I think, but I'm not entirely sure). Mind you, eCS is *not* the right platform if your main use is mainly games and 3D modelling! ;)

I think that there is a Flash 8 player knocking about. At least there are rumours of one. Personally, I can live quite happily without Flash! ;)

The interface may *look* like Win 95 (I think it looks better, but each to their own), but it is far, far superior. Fully OO, scriptable and extendable with user-defined classes, etc.

Personally, I could not recommend eCS to anyone new to OS/2, simply because it's always going to be a struggle to get support/software. However, for OS enthusiasts and OS/2 fans more specifically, it is very good indeed.

Think of what is at current level, for what is such a minority OS:
OO2
Apache Web Server 2
PHP5
MySQL (I think a v5 is available, ceratainly v4 is)
Java is getting there, although it usually lags a little behind Windows/OSX/Linux/etc
Pixel
Firefox
Seamonkey
Thunderbird
Video player the name of whcih escapes me right now... Very good though.
many more...

So it's certainly a perfectly capable home/dev OS.

Yes, it is a shame as many of you have said with regards to the price - eCS deserves a wider audience.

Edited 2006-09-20 21:28

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flywheel Member since:
2005-12-28

AFAIK there will be no 3D Acceleration support - the driver is delivered by a third party developer, which makes it very difficult.

Most hardware manufacturers have no problem releasing their 2D specs for third party developers under NDA (Except nVidia, that releases nothing to nobody) - but when it comes to 3D specs they all refuse, I guess in order to eliminate the risk of a leak.

In short - if you want 3D accelerated drivers for your OS, the hardware manufactorer of your graphics processor/card must deliver it yourselves or you'll have to reverse engineer the driver.

But hopefully, I'm wrong - I would love hardware accelerated OpenGL on my eCS Box :o)

Edited 2006-09-21 09:57

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Weird...
the functionality is way beyond that of Windows.

Try changing the fonts in Windows by dragging the font to the window...

Or changing the color of the titlebar by dragging the color to the titlebar...

It's very functional - it just does things very differently.

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v RE:Open Office for Windows 95 Beta 1
by schwarzy on Thu 21st Sep 2006 08:12 UTC
rcsteiner Member since:
2005-07-12

Well, some of still like using it.

As long as a small market exists, it'll probably continue to be improved.

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

OS/2 (or eCS) probably has the best desktop implementation of all OS'es and still has a high potential.

It's less of a corpse than Vista is.

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schwarzy
Member since:
2005-07-25

"OS/2 (or eCS) probably has the best desktop implementation of all OS'es and still has a high potential."

BWAHAHAH ok, now i understand, you're joking....

"It's less of a corpse than Vista is."

yes, for sure... but this vista "corpse" vill be on 90+ % of pc next year.... BWHAHAHAH!

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