Linked by Adam S on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:03 UTC
Gifts, Contests, Easter Eggs After several months, we're very proud to finally bring you the result of the OSNews Alternative OS Contest. It took us a while to publish them all, but we are done now. Read on for the results.
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v LoseThos
by TDavis on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:13 UTC
RE: LoseThos
by Adam S on Tue 26th Sep 2006 13:02 UTC in reply to "LoseThos"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

Who is the crowd for LoseThos? What type of user are you aiming for? I know it's a hobby OS of yours, and appears to do what you want it to, so I applaud you for that.

But honestly, this is a direct quote from your website: "I love my operating system the way it is and don't give a crap what you think."

Who are the people using this operating system besides you? If people are providing you feedback and you're simply not interested, why would anyone want to use this OS? Operating Systems THRIVE on feedback. This is why Linux and FreeBSD are growing.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: LoseThos
by TDavis on Tue 26th Sep 2006 13:08 UTC in reply to "RE: LoseThos"
TDavis Member since:
2006-06-10

LoseThos is for home computers. Security is not an issue. Everybody on this site obsesses on security. LoseThos is for programmers. Security means lack of freedom as a programmer. In losethos, you have kernel priviledge at all times, so you can turn-off interrupts or do other protected instructions. Needless to say, most people on this site find it an affront.

Reply Score: 2

RE[3]: LoseThos
by ebasconp on Tue 26th Sep 2006 15:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LoseThos"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I do not understand your point of view.

I am a programmer and I like to program for the PEOPLE or for other programmers which will program for the PEOPLE.

Programmers doing programs just for programmers does not make sense.

If your Operating System is oriented for programmers... the people which program for your operating system, what orientation must have?

Reply Score: 1

RE[4]: LoseThos
by devurandom on Tue 26th Sep 2006 15:26 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: LoseThos"
devurandom Member since:
2005-07-06

I personally share your point of view, but programming is also a bit of work of art. Programming for programming's sake makes sense: it's fun, it is a learning experience, it makes you test and learn new programming techniques (that you can apply to useful programs later). I prefer to code with a pragmatic target, but I appreciate elegance and fun in programming, and I'd just like to be good enough to participate to the International Obfuscated C Contest.

In addition, more often than note "just-for-fun" projects have later became important for people. No one would have given a dime on a monolithic hobbish hacked Unix clone tightly tied to i386 architecture that was done just for fun by an IT student. But now I'm running Linux.

Reply Score: 2

RE[5]: LoseThos
by ebasconp on Tue 26th Sep 2006 15:48 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: LoseThos"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

I don't say that only the end user has to be the target of your work, but at the end of the chain, one end user will be at front of what you did (using an application that uses a library that uses another library that uses the library you have programmed).

If LoseThos does not have the vision to reach to the end user, his work will be useful for a tiny community of programmers.

Anyway, I hate the "I will not hear you, I do whatever I want" style of the owner of this proyect.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: LoseThos
by markjensen on Tue 26th Sep 2006 15:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LoseThos"
markjensen Member since:
2005-07-26

Needless to say, most people on this site find it an affront.

I think you might be placing your own point of view on my thoughts. What bothers me is the constant spamming of your site/OS. While I am honestly impressed with what you seem to have done (I am not a programmer, so these skills are something I do not posess), I am personally very annoyed at your actions of spamming, arguing and insinuating insults at other members here. A look at your past posts shows this is a habit of yours.

Perhaps you ought to consider this as another possible (and more likely) reason to the poor response you seem to get.

Reply Score: 5

RE[4]: LoseThos
by smitty on Tue 26th Sep 2006 21:11 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: LoseThos"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

I'll second that. I don't really have much of a desire to use his OS, but I can certainly appreciate what it does and what he has done. His attitude on these forums has been a real turn off though.

Reply Score: 1

RE[3]: LoseThos
by t3RRa on Tue 26th Sep 2006 21:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LoseThos"
t3RRa Member since:
2005-11-22

Off topic tho.. i wonder what is your aim/goal for your own OS. what advantage does your OS provide to programmers better than (Free/MS)DOS? I am wondering because there's no information on your website whatsoever. BTW, I think it doesn't look good that you are complaining here that your article has not been published. If you can publish your article somewhere, maybe on your losethos website, I will definitly have a look.

Back to the topic, I've read GEOS article very interestingly too. I was really interested in Ensemble long long time ago when I was using DOS on XT. But I had no chance to play with it. Anyway, congratulations, Kroc! ;)

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: LoseThos
by devurandom on Tue 26th Sep 2006 15:22 UTC in reply to "RE: LoseThos"
devurandom Member since:
2005-07-06

If he doesn't give a crap about what you think, I guess your feedback about feedback (meta-feedback?) won't have that much effect...

Reply Score: 3

Great stuff overall
by XemonerdX on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:21 UTC
XemonerdX
Member since:
2005-07-03

Cool initiative and cool submission overall... The GEOS review was indeed outstanding.

Reply Score: 2

AROS
by Pixie on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:36 UTC
Pixie
Member since:
2005-09-30

Anyone?

Reply Score: 3

RE: AROS
by bogomipz on Wed 27th Sep 2006 08:41 UTC in reply to "AROS"
bogomipz Member since:
2005-07-11

I found the AROS article to be a very interesting read, and I thought it was part of the contest at the time I read it. This seems not to be the case because its summary doesn't mention the contest. On the other hand, the FreeDOS article summery doesn't either, so maybe Adam simply forgot about the AROS article or somehow thinks it didn't meet the qualifications?

Reply Score: 1

GEOS was a great read!
by Ford Prefect on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:40 UTC
Ford Prefect
Member since:
2006-01-16

see topic

Reply Score: 2

Good initiative
by maxx_730 on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:43 UTC
maxx_730
Member since:
2005-12-14

I really enjoyed reading all the great articles. Thank you, osnews and submitters!

Reply Score: 5

Good
by hhcv on Tue 26th Sep 2006 12:50 UTC
hhcv
Member since:
2005-11-12

Excellent

Reply Score: 3

Some good reading
by Sphinx on Tue 26th Sep 2006 13:21 UTC
Sphinx
Member since:
2005-07-09

Kudos!

Reply Score: 3

Congratulations!
by TaterSalad on Tue 26th Sep 2006 13:31 UTC
TaterSalad
Member since:
2005-07-06

Congratulations to Kroc and Andrew. This was a very nice contest and goes back to what OSNews is about. I hope we see some other contests similiar to this, or maybe the same kind in a year to see how these alternative OS's have progressed. I'd like to get a shout out to James Ingraham for his QNX article.

Reply Score: 2

RE: Congratulations!
by alcibiades on Tue 26th Sep 2006 14:02 UTC in reply to "Congratulations!"
alcibiades Member since:
2005-10-12

Me too. It was a really nice idea, a great response by everyone who wrote in, and some very good reads. Quite right to give something to everyone who was published also. It was partly the sheer variety that made it so interesting.

Reply Score: 1

A suggestion
by cujo on Tue 26th Sep 2006 15:51 UTC
cujo
Member since:
2005-07-06

Why not run a contest like this every so often (quarterly would be nice)? Make a rule that you can't submit a review on an OS that was done in the previous contest.

Heck, the prizes wouldn't even have to be that interesting. It would just be nice to see reviews like this more often.

Bravo to the contributors and the OS devs.

Reply Score: 1

Worthy winner
by mypinkshrimp on Tue 26th Sep 2006 17:38 UTC
mypinkshrimp
Member since:
2006-08-08

I think the winner was well-deserved. The article/review is a good model for anyone intending to write about an old OS.

Reply Score: 1

The original article:
by Kroc on Tue 26th Sep 2006 17:53 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

It's been over thirty days since being published on OSNews.com, so I can now link you to the original article (without paging) which you may enjoy

http://camendesign.com/kroc/stuff/geos/

Reply Score: 1

v RE: The original article:
by TDavis on Tue 26th Sep 2006 18:05 UTC in reply to "The original article:"
RE: The original article:
by Adam S on Tue 26th Sep 2006 19:00 UTC in reply to "The original article:"
Adam S Member since:
2005-04-01

The self-imposed limitations of our CMS, written to work in ALL brosers, prevented us from publishing the article unaltered. I'm glad people can reference your original work now.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: The original article:
by Kroc on Tue 26th Sep 2006 19:15 UTC in reply to "RE: The original article:"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

I didn't properly take into account the limitations you have; at the same time though, it gave me the room to write the article as I wanted it to be, and you poor guys worry about the limitations XP.

I felt that the original article was suitable in the middle, and quickly paced; where as on OSNews, the 14 pages meant that the middle seemed slow and uneeded (my own fault). The other contestants seemed to do a much better job of suiting their article to OSNews.

Reply Score: 1

v PAGING for EMT64--Intel Datasheet
by TDavis on Tue 26th Sep 2006 20:32 UTC
v What?
by TDavis on Tue 26th Sep 2006 22:13 UTC
Congrats to winners
by Sigfrodi on Wed 27th Sep 2006 19:49 UTC
Sigfrodi
Member since:
2005-07-06

Congratulations to the winners, I have particularly enjoyed the article about GEOS. Most of the contributions were very interisting, thanks to all participants, I learnt much! ;)

I hope to see such contests again on OSNews. It was définitely worth the efforts ;)

Reply Score: 1