Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 23rd Sep 2006 18:06 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris "As part of its server and storage announcements last week, Sun Microsystems said that it finally would be delivering the Trusted Solaris Extensions to its Solaris 10 Unix platform. Trusted Extensions is an add-on to Solaris 10 that gives it beefed up security and makes the platform more attractive to defense contractors, financial services firms, and any other organization that is fervent about security."
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Great news
by 0xbadbeef on Sun 24th Sep 2006 00:56 UTC
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All hail the most secure OS on the market!

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by Xaero_Vincent on Sun 24th Sep 2006 02:03 UTC
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Yeah but can the average person configure it or do they need to be a *nix expert?

Solaris is making a turnaround with OpenSolaris but I'm afraid it has to compete with FreeBSD and Linux, which have far greater fanfare and corporate backing.

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RE: Solaris
by justinc on Sun 24th Sep 2006 02:29 UTC in reply to "Solaris"
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Here are some docs you can read:

As far as fanfare, I know the company I work for has a lot more Solaris servers than Linux, and they had a bad role out of RHEL too, but I believe that was more of a hardware vendor choice that went horrible.

I'm not biased towards Solaris either, I run all three of the mentioned OS's and like them all, however, Sun has been in the Enterprise market for a very long time and have a lot of support, imho.


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RE: Solaris
by amigascne on Sun 24th Sep 2006 02:40 UTC in reply to "Solaris"
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Huh?? Solaris has more market share than any other *nix and more corporate backing. There was certainly a decline over the last few years, however recent reports have them actually regaining some of that loss. Although at the expense primarily of other commercial Unix vendors rather than Linux.

This is interesting news. So it seems they will be releasing in Q4 and have the evaluations sorted out. I'd like to see an article around that time comparing RHEL5/SELinux and Solaris/Trusted Extensions.

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RE[2]: Solaris
by kaiwai on Sun 24th Sep 2006 02:47 UTC in reply to "RE: Solaris"
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The drop in marketshare is more to do with the slowness of Sun to reaction to the changes in the marketplace; the rise of x86 machines, and the decline of RISC based UNIX machines.

Its not to say that RISC UNIX machines don't have their place, far from it, but it now means that they can no longer command the high prices that they once did; with the recent moves by Sun in terms of cutting prices, pushing up performance, including the roll out of x86 Solaris support and x86 machines, they're in a good position to pull back customers who might consider moving to Linux - they can now say, "if you're dead adament for x86, purchasing the x86 machines off us, and run Solaris x86".

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v RE[2]: Solaris
by Xaero_Vincent on Sun 24th Sep 2006 05:41 UTC in reply to "RE: Solaris"
RE[3]: Solaris
by binarycrusader on Sun 24th Sep 2006 06:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Solaris"
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FYI, MacOS X has the most most marketshare of any *nix.

Mac OS X is not UNIX, yet. The next version of Mac OS X will however be certified as UNIX. Until then, it's market share does not count ;)

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RE[3]: Solaris
by Lakedaemon on Sun 24th Sep 2006 08:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Solaris"
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I believe that you are wrong....

Maybee Mac OS X has 3.7% market. But that is of the CONSUMER market.

With all the boxes old and new running Solaris and winning $ for their corporate owner,
I think that the market share of Solaris in the enterprise beats Mac OS X with it's 3.7% of the consummer market, easily

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RE[3]: Solaris
by amigascne on Sun 24th Sep 2006 13:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Solaris"
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Really?? So does Solaris have IBM, HP, Dell, etc. backing it on their server products?

Yes, of course, they could not afford not to. IBM for instance supports Solaris on their blades and xSeries server line. They also have a full application stack (WebSphere, DB2, Tivoli suites, etc.) that they sell and support for Solaris. Same with HP...

FYI, MacOS X has the most most marketshare of any *nix. FreeBSD, Linux, Solaris, HP-UX, AIX, etc. combined maybe owns 1.2% while MacOS X owns 3.7%.

That's desktop market, not server market. MacOS X does not even make a blip on the server market share radar. Solaris currently has 56.9% of the Unix market share according to Gartner.

FYI, I just went to Google News and did a search on "Unix market share". This was the first link in the results:

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RE: Solaris
by mario on Sun 24th Sep 2006 07:05 UTC in reply to "Solaris"
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"Solaris is making a turnaround with OpenSolaris but I'm afraid it has to compete with FreeBSD and Linux, which have far greater fanfare and corporate backing."

I think you are right, at least as far as Linux is concerned, but the fanfare and glitz & glamour is wearing off, little by little. In my departement, the managerial decision was made to move all our products to Linux. A year and a half later, more than half of them are still runningon Solaris, because Linux just couldn't offer the necessary features. And trust me, some of the high echelons have registered these problems - the whole push towards All Linux is proving a mild disaster, and the architects of it aren't as vocal and visible anymore.

On a side note: why was parent's post modded to -1? I see no reason, it contains a question and a reasonable statement.

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v Sun's struggle
by grfgguvf on Mon 25th Sep 2006 12:31 UTC
RE: Sun's struggle
by JonAnderson on Tue 26th Sep 2006 07:13 UTC in reply to "Sun's struggle"
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It's very hard to tell what they are doing wrong. Solaris is a great OS, but they open-sourced it too late. There have not been significant 3rd party contributions to OpenSolaris, and I don't think there ever will be. Because the obvious choice to contribute code to is Linux. MAC is great, but TrustedSolaris is too late as well compared to SELinux. And Zones compared to Xen...

Can you explain why the obvious choice is to contribute code
to Linux?. Seems likes it's a lot easy to contribute to Solaris
due to ABI stability. Why are you comparing Zones to Xen? -
the fact that you do that makes the rest of your post
irrelevent as you clearly don't have a clue what you are
talking about.

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