Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 3rd Oct 2006 22:10 UTC
Windows A common complaint heard from people who tested Vista, is that maximised windows turn black. At the Shell Blog, a fix has been presented: "In the end, we decided that we like the black and think it is the right thing to do, but we want to respect the user's color choice for users who bother to make a change. So - starting in today's build, we have significantly backed off the amount of black that is mixed in with the user's color for maximized windows. This is not particularly noticeable with the default color, but with the more intense colors like Red and Orange, you will appreciate the difference."
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v The old saying is....
by timbobsteve on Tue 3rd Oct 2006 22:40 UTC
FINALLY
by Nelson on Tue 3rd Oct 2006 17:52 UTC
Nelson
Member since:
2005-11-29

Thank you Microsoft. This was probably one of my biggest issue with Vista's UI. (2nd only to the glaring inconsistencies)

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Just because users thought it was a bug...
by Dias on Tue 3rd Oct 2006 23:33 UTC
Dias
Member since:
2006-02-20

It's not that people haven't liked it, it's only because people thought it was a bug. And because of this they was forced to change it.

Bad thing since I think that it was a really nice idea to turn it black on maximising, this way user would focus only on a content of the window.

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Nelson Member since:
2005-11-29

It's still black, it's probably a less obvious in your face black and it blends better with your color preferences.

There are however no screenshots atm so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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v ?
by dcwrwrfhndz on Tue 3rd Oct 2006 23:40 UTC
RE: ?
by Tyr. on Wed 4th Oct 2006 00:41 UTC in reply to "?"
Tyr. Member since:
2005-07-06

?

My sentiments exactly. So I looked up what the hell this is about. Apparently when maximised all "glass"-portions of the window turn dark (almost black) :

http://blogs.msdn.com/cjacks/archive/2006/06/21/641735.aspx
http://www.mstechtoday.com/screenshots/vista/5342/maximized.PNG

Very difficult to find screenshots of maximised Vista apps, probably because it is indeed quite ugly :-)

Also according to one blogger : "it is worth pointing out that when a window is maximized, any glass area appears black, which is the reason that most windows rendered fully in glass, do not offer a maximize button (to the dismay of Goths I guess :-p)" ( http://www.danielmoth.com/Blog/2006_07_01_mothblog_archive.html )

Leave it to MS to turn eye-candy into eye-poison :-)

Edited 2006-10-04 00:44

Reply Score: 5

yes!
by steve23063 on Wed 4th Oct 2006 00:35 UTC
steve23063
Member since:
2006-02-11

Wow, I am SO glad to hear they listened to our complaints. It will honestly be so much easier on my eyes..and nerves :-P

edit: OK I think I need to see a screenshot. They say they significantly backed off the black and yet it's not really noticeable with the default color...

Edited 2006-10-04 00:53

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Didn't need fixing
by Zoidberg on Wed 4th Oct 2006 00:37 UTC
Zoidberg
Member since:
2006-02-11

I liked it the way it was to be honest. ;)

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I don't get it
by tuttle on Wed 4th Oct 2006 08:39 UTC
tuttle
Member since:
2006-03-01

When a window is maximized, there should not be any window border at all. It should occupy the whole screen.

Of course there would need to be a small area for the minimize buttons in the top-left corner. But other than that, a border just eats valuable screen space.

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v How kind
by mallard on Wed 4th Oct 2006 10:11 UTC
I thought the black was good
by dr_gonzo on Wed 4th Oct 2006 10:39 UTC
dr_gonzo
Member since:
2005-07-06

It's the transparency they need to remove! Look at the screenshots of WMP for example. It looks pretty confusing to have controls on top of a transparent surface.

I think it looks confusing to have the title bar transparent too.

I'd say that I hope they have an option to turn it off but I'll (hopefully) never have to use it.

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RE: I thought the black was good
by MollyC on Wed 4th Oct 2006 13:44 UTC in reply to "I thought the black was good"
MollyC Member since:
2006-07-04

There's a control panel that gives you complete control over the level of transperency, including "completely opaque".

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Vista Menubars
by OSGuy on Wed 4th Oct 2006 12:08 UTC
OSGuy
Member since:
2006-01-01

I haven't used Vista but I can imagine how it is...No menu bars! I have IE7 installed and even though the menu bar can be shown, it is still not the top most control. I hate it and I can't get used to it.

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v woops
by borat on Wed 4th Oct 2006 12:11 UTC
RE: woops
by Thom_Holwerda on Wed 4th Oct 2006 12:34 UTC in reply to "woops"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

maximised? thom try firefox 2, it has a built in spell checker ;)

Mine is set to EN-GB. I write in RP.

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Rapid response to non-bug!?!
by cmost on Wed 4th Oct 2006 15:31 UTC
cmost
Member since:
2006-07-16

"It's not that people haven't liked it, it's only because people thought it was a bug. And because of this they were forced to change it."

It's too bad Microsoft didn't solve real bugs with the same voracity. I'm sure the marketing boys simply jumped down somebody's throat in an effort to avoid bad press before the launch. This is what got the job done.

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