Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 12th Oct 2006 15:05 UTC, submitted by Tomasz
SkyOS SkyOS has gotten DMA support. "There's support for VIA, AMD, Intel and SiS chipsets, more will come. What does it mean? Less CPU usage and a huge speed increase for the supported PATA/SATA controllers, just check the changelog for initial benchmarks." It is available as an update for beta testers, which besides the DMA update, also includes updated drivers.
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speed up
by Darkness on Thu 12th Oct 2006 16:00 UTC
Darkness
Member since:
2005-08-27

This should speed up installation quite a lot. Lack of DMA support was slowing down the unpacking of packages a lot.

It looks like the next release will be a major upgrade compared to current release
http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/447

Edited 2006-10-12 16:00

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wow, does Linux have DMA support?
by stephanem on Thu 12th Oct 2006 16:31 UTC
stephanem
Member since:
2006-01-11

OK, I know what DMA is - LMAO at these OS developers tooting their horn about something that should have been there since day 1.

Does anybody developing software these days take computer science classes???

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helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Have you ever USED SkyOS? It ran plenty fast even with PIO.

Holy crap, stop bashing people just because you can. Are you making an OS? No? So shutup. Or atleast critisize in a constructive manner.

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falemagn Member since:
2005-07-06

> Have you ever USED SkyOS? It ran plenty fast even with
> PIO.

I have, I paid for it and... well, it was pretty damn slow. Installation took over one hour here, and opening just about any programs used to take a very long time.

Also - albeit unrelated - the gui was pretty slow as well, and the mouse a bit jerky.

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helf Member since:
2005-07-06

huh, thats kinda weird. Ran pretty fast on my machine. I haven't tried the latest builds though.

anyways, DMA is a welcome addition no matter what ;)

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jaboua Member since:
2005-09-08

Expecting ANYTHING to be full featured in day 1 is just arrogant, development takes time... They even specificly mention that SkyOS is still BETA on their page.

Anyway, there was a problem and they fixed it. That's what we call improvement. It doesn't matter if they had it five years ago or not, it's what they have now that matters.

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Darkness Member since:
2005-08-27

Does anybody developing software these days take computer science classes???
yes, I did. And although you learn what DMA is and how it works, I doubt you will see a real implementation, let alone if you have to implement it yourself...

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WereCatf Member since:
2006-02-15

Hmmmm...How fast can YOU write a driver for any of SiS, Intel, Via or some other chipset that supports everything, including DMA? 1 day? Somehow I *very* much doubt that!

Implementing DMA isn't that easy as you think it is. The basic idea behind it can be explained easily, but it is completely different thing to actually implement it. Oh, and expect no 1-day software to support everything, and even less be bug-free! I rather wait months for a good driver rather than have experimental support for something, and then lose everything due to filesystem corruption.......

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Gone fishing Member since:
2006-02-22

A closed mouth gathers no foot. Sky OS is not Linux, not a Linux distro or anything similar. Best not to comment if you have done no research.

http://www.skyos.org/?q=node/408

Oh and Linux does have DMA support.

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transputer_guy Member since:
2005-07-08

Back in undergrad EE hardware labs I recall we did do something with DMA, maybe wrote some code for a 6802 and peripheral (maybe a pdp8), but then again it was pretty much all a replay of material put in front of us and of course the tutor was in the lab with any answers.

Since then I've done hardware ASICs with DMA support and the software guys still had a hard time of it even with us helping as much as possible. Its not just a matter of knowing where the control bits are but understanding somewhat how the hardware interacts with everything.

Anybody facing a motherboard and chipset and expecting to get much done with it quickly is going to be dissapointed, I bet you can find very little hardware docs for any chip at all other than really dated stuff or under NDA. For that reason I prefer hardware that does as little as possible but as fast as possible and let the software do most of it but the industry is doing the exact opposite. Its kind of amazing anyone else but MS gets anything done at all.

I also would have expected DMA before video graphics compositing but the latter is more interesting.

Reply Score: 1

Woh
by ma_d on Thu 12th Oct 2006 16:58 UTC
ma_d
Member since:
2005-06-29

It looks to me like this is just disk DMA support, so I guess the OS supported DMA for other devices already in some method? I'm sure they weren't going byte by byte off of network cards...

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dma support?
by jcgf on Thu 12th Oct 2006 17:03 UTC
jcgf
Member since:
2005-11-14

I would also think that this would be one of the first things to work on. I've never used skyos, but using windows, freebsd, or solaris without dma never worked out for me.

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Awesome Job Robert :)
by mattst88 on Thu 12th Oct 2006 17:26 UTC
mattst88
Member since:
2005-08-27

Again, great work. And to think what I've accomplished in the same time... ;)

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RE: Awesome Job Robert :)
by Kelly Rush on Thu 12th Oct 2006 21:54 UTC in reply to "Awesome Job Robert :)"
Kelly Rush Member since:
2005-06-30

You always do a great job Matt. We're very glad to have you around. ;)

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RE: wow, does Linux have DMA support?
by anevilyak on Thu 12th Oct 2006 21:22 UTC
anevilyak
Member since:
2005-09-14

By that kind of logic, Linux should've had O(1) scheduling since day one. Did it? Not even close. Did they tout the horn about it hardcore once they had it, despite most commercial OSes having had similar scheduling algorithms for an eternity? You betcha.

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ValiSystem Member since:
2006-02-28

Using schelduler as counter example is totally pointless. You can have correct performance for desktop computing with a stupid scheduler. O(1) scheduler has an interest when you're running many concurrent process (waiting in queue, not locked in IO or sleeping). For servers with huge load, then. On the desktop, processor is idle at least 80% of the time, scheduler overhead might reduce reponseness, but not performance.

DMA is needed for performance, since modern hardware does almost all its data transfert through DMA. Locking CPU to, for example, write data to cache instead of rendering your web page will slow down your system much more than a O(n) scheduler with n = 4 on worst case. But i'am sure it would be still the case with n = 100.

I'm pretty surprised to see SkyOS implement DMA after a window compistor, for example.

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