Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 16th Oct 2006 19:49 UTC, submitted by Dolphin
OSNews, Generic OSes NeoSmart has just released EasyBCD 1.5, complete with support for Vista, Windows NT/2k/XP, and Windows 9x/ME. EasyBCD 1.5 adds experimental support for dual-booting any of these along with Linux, Mac OS X, or BSD - straight from the Windows Vista bootloader without any additional configuration needed. "Windows Vista's new bootmanager is a double-edged sword. It's one of the most powerful booting scripts in existence, and a far cry from the very limiting boot.ini of legacy Windows operating systems. But it overwrites the MBR without a second thought, and doesn't provide any means for users of alternate operating systems and boot managers to use their old system. That's where EasyBCD 1.5 comes in!"
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Woo-boy!
by MattPie on Mon 16th Oct 2006 20:32 UTC
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2006-04-18

But it overwrites the MBR without a second thought, and doesn't provide any means for users of alternate operating systems and boot managers to use their old system.

Wow, Vista is just sounding better and better. It's a shame I won't be able to run the home versions in a VM so I can stop it from screwing with my disk.

Edited 2006-10-16 20:33

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RE: Woo-boy!
by Bit_Rapist on Mon 16th Oct 2006 20:57 UTC in reply to "Woo-boy!"
Bit_Rapist Member since:
2005-11-13

But it overwrites the MBR without a second thought, and doesn't provide any means for users of alternate operating systems and boot managers to use their old system.

Wow, Vista is just sounding better and better. It's a shame I won't be able to run the home versions in a VM so I can stop it from screwing with my disk.


That's where EasyBCD 1.5 comes in! ;)

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v RE: Woo-boy!
by NotParker on Mon 16th Oct 2006 20:57 UTC in reply to "Woo-boy!"
RE[2]: Woo-boy!
by smitty on Mon 16th Oct 2006 21:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Woo-boy!"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

He's referring to the new licensing that requires you to get Business or Ultimate editions if you want to run Windows in a VM. Not that there is anything technical stopping you...

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RE[2]: Woo-boy!
by Ford Prefect on Mon 16th Oct 2006 21:08 UTC in reply to "RE: Woo-boy!"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

You didn't get it. Vista Licensing forbids using the Home version in a VM. So he can't use it in a VM and would have to use it on his real system, where it would screw his disk (in particular, MBR).

And this sucks. So I don't even think of buying it.

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RE[3]: Woo-boy!
by NotParker on Mon 16th Oct 2006 23:59 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Woo-boy!"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

You didn't get it. Vista Licensing forbids using the Home version in a VM.

Where does it say that?

The clause says: "You may not use the software installed on the licensed device within a virtual (or otherwise emulated) hardware system."

What this means is that if you install Vista Home on your PC (the licensed device), you can't then turnaround and use the same license for the VM version. If you haven't already installed it on a "real" computer, you can install it in a VM.

Edited 2006-10-17 00:00

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RE[4]: Woo-boy!
by smitty on Tue 17th Oct 2006 00:27 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Woo-boy!"
smitty Member since:
2005-10-13

It's not entirely clear in my mind (IANAL) whether you can install it on a VM or not. You are right about that clause only saying that you can't use the same copy of windows on a real machine and within a VM. Read the following clause, though:

Before you use the software under a license, you must assign that license to one device (physical hardware system). That device is the “licensed device.” A hardware partition or blade is considered to be a separate device.

Can a virtual machine be a "licensed device"? Otherwise, you would have to assign the license to an actual machine and then the previous clause would prevent you from using it within the VM. Also, if it does count would the new 1 transfer only rule prevent you from (legally) installing it on a newer version of the VM?

Edited 2006-10-17 00:31

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RE[4]: Woo-boy!
by Ford Prefect on Tue 17th Oct 2006 07:58 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Woo-boy!"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

Well, as the license has to be bound to a physical hardware, and it clearly states, that even on this particular physical hardware, you aren't allowed to run it in a VM, it's clear to me there is now way to get it run legally inside a VM.

If you could bind the license to your person, or any particular environment, it would be something else. But they want you to bind it to a physical device in the first place.

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OS X?
by thavith_osn on Mon 16th Oct 2006 22:01 UTC
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2005-07-11

I wasn't able to read the article, I got a "this account has been suspened" message...

... so I don't understand this one? How does this work? Can I use Tiger right out the box or do I need to use a build from the OSX86 project which would be naughty wouldn't it?

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RE: OS X?
by Mellin on Mon 16th Oct 2006 22:03 UTC in reply to "OS X?"
Mellin Member since:
2005-07-06

you can forget support on mac os x installed on anything else than a apple branded computer

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Account Suspended
by djohnston on Mon 16th Oct 2006 22:21 UTC
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2006-04-11

Link to the article shows Account Suspended page.

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comparison
by karolus on Mon 16th Oct 2006 22:38 UTC
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2006-06-13

Windows Vista's new bootmanager is a double-edged sword. It's one of the most powerful booting scripts in existence

Just wonder, how it compares to GRUB/LILO ?

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RE: comparison
by Ford Prefect on Mon 16th Oct 2006 22:52 UTC in reply to "comparison"
Ford Prefect Member since:
2006-01-16

I'm wondering too and have to note that everytime Neosmart writes about something "most powerful" this could also be a "been there, done that" feature.

There was an article about the new boot manager here on OSNews some months ago and it didn't show me anything special. In particular, GRUB seems way more powerful to me, not even talking about GRUB2..

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Can't resist ...
by MacTO on Tue 17th Oct 2006 00:13 UTC
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2006-09-21

So Microsoft is telling them to get their GRUBby little paws off the boot sector. ;)

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MIRROR
by Dolphin on Tue 17th Oct 2006 00:31 UTC
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2006-05-01
RE: MIRROR
by Dolphin on Tue 17th Oct 2006 13:15 UTC in reply to "MIRROR"
Dolphin Member since:
2006-05-01

The original site is back up now..

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Just 1 more reason
by Edward on Tue 17th Oct 2006 12:02 UTC
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2005-09-17

not to get Vista. Like it is really going to let you boot other OSs anway.

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