Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 24th Oct 2006 10:15 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
Windows "Yes, as a complete suprise it seems that Microsoft has released the final version of their long-time-in-the-making Anti-Spyware program, Windows Defender. The build is marked as 1.1.1592.0 and it seems it can be installed over previous versions (beta 2 that is; it cannot be installed over beta 1, previously known as Microsoft Anti-Spyware Beta)."
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v More bloatware
by drdoug on Tue 24th Oct 2006 12:41 UTC
v RE: More bloatware
by andyleung on Tue 24th Oct 2006 13:39 UTC in reply to "More bloatware"
RE[2]: More bloatware
by REM2000 on Tue 24th Oct 2006 13:48 UTC in reply to "RE: More bloatware"
REM2000 Member since:
2006-07-25

what ??

Reply Score: 3

RE[2]: More bloatware
by Doc Pain on Tue 24th Oct 2006 14:49 UTC in reply to "RE: More bloatware"
Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

No, this product is to attract all viruses and spy to it so Windows can be more clean.

Sorry, you're not right in here. The capabilities for spreading malware, for having automated advertising ans SPAM, for data espionage, for remote controlling etc. that are included in "Windows" attract the viruses, not the "Defender".

Probably this software has a way to separate all viruses from windows, makes itself sick but not windows, so it's more like a qurantine software.

That's right, but it will take time, in fact, very much time. It costs MICROS~1 time and money to include the gained knowledge about different viruses, trojans, malware etc. in their product development. Just imagine how the amount of SPAM filling the Internet would decrease if "Outlook" wouldn't be that remote-controllabe.

BTW: "Windows" administration and the work to do the proper settings often can't be done by the average users. Proof: SPAM. Users simply say: "I don't care about security, I just go there and clickity-click." Products like "Defenter" will strengthen this mis-belief, I assume.

Time will tell if "Defender" can do good work in protecting other people on the Internet from beeing victims of data sabotation.

Reply Score: 1

RE[2]: More bloatware
by mypinkshrimp on Tue 24th Oct 2006 19:15 UTC in reply to "RE: More bloatware"
mypinkshrimp Member since:
2006-08-08

No, this product is to attract all viruses and spy to it so Windows can be more clean. You know even Windows doesn't have antivirus, all viruses go to it,

I actually got a headache trying to make sense of this. However...

if they say "Anti-virus", all virus "vendors" who would say "is it really? let me try". Probably this software has a way to separate all viruses from windows, makes itself sick but not windows, so it's more like a qurantine software.

This I understand, and agree with. Should be fun seeing what happens.

Reply Score: 1

Re[2]: More Bloatware
by Bobmeister on Tue 24th Oct 2006 14:34 UTC
Bobmeister
Member since:
2005-07-06

Agreed...that comment seems incoherent.

Reply Score: 1

Too bad it won't install over Beta 1
by mahlerrd on Tue 24th Oct 2006 14:54 UTC
mahlerrd
Member since:
2005-07-06

Too bad it won't install over Beta 1, because on several machines I've tested it on, Beta 1 won't uninstall. Even following the kbase articles that attempt chopping it out with a hypothetical axe doesn't work.

Perhaps this is worth taking anther stab at evicting Beta 1...

Reply Score: 1

Genuine Advantage Validation
by egon_spengler on Tue 24th Oct 2006 16:40 UTC
egon_spengler
Member since:
2005-11-20

I followed the link to the download site from the article, and was confronted with the Genuine Windows validation. Since I was currently in Ubuntu using Firefox, it was a bit difficult. However, I downloaded the Genuinewhatever.exe, ran it in wine, pasted the resulting string back into the validation process, and now have the Windowshowsis.msi that I copied over to my XP/Linux data partition for later install, when I wander back to the dark side for my gaming fix.

Reply Score: 0

RE
by Kroc on Tue 24th Oct 2006 17:22 UTC
Kroc
Member since:
2005-11-10

"...long-time-in-the-making Anti-Spyware program, Windows Defender"

You mean the long-time-in-the-rebranding of Anti-Spyware program Giant Antispyware. Microsoft didn't 'make' WD.

Remember Microsoft's motto:
"When in doubt, buy them out."

Reply Score: 1

RE
by NotParker on Tue 24th Oct 2006 17:45 UTC in reply to "RE"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

Remember Microsoft's motto:
"When in doubt, buy them out."


Well ... it seems to have gotten them 97% of the desktop market.

Of course RedHat has bought Sistina, JBoss, Cygnus and more. Does that make them Microsoft-lite?

Reply Score: 3

RE
by Kroc on Tue 24th Oct 2006 18:39 UTC in reply to "RE"
Kroc Member since:
2005-11-10

Microsoft specifically have a habbit of buying out companies because they're late to the market. Case in point: Internet Explorer.

Reply Score: 2

RE
by jayson.knight on Tue 24th Oct 2006 20:31 UTC in reply to "RE"
jayson.knight Member since:
2005-07-06

*sigh* it's simple math, and is a formula used by IT departments all the time: which will cost less...developing the component in-house or purchasing it from a 3rd party. Most of the time it's more cost-effective to by the pre-built package and then tweak it to your liking.

Reply Score: 1

RE
by n4cer on Tue 24th Oct 2006 21:59 UTC in reply to "RE"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

Internet Explorer was a case of licensing code, not buying a company.

Reply Score: 0