Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 2nd Nov 2006 22:02 UTC, submitted by anonymous
Windows Responding to the myriad complaints over ambiguities and outright uncool (that's a technical term) licensing terms, Microsoft has revised the Vista retail license to remove some of the most major causes of complaint. A previous version of the Windows Vista retail license restricted the number of times you may transfer Vista from one device to another. The license read: "The first user of the software may reassign the license to another device one time. If you reassign the license, that other device becomes the 'licensed device'." The new license has removed this language relating to device transfers.
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Yay!
by kcy29581 on Thu 2nd Nov 2006 22:37 UTC
kcy29581
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2006-05-11

Bloody finally! How could they expect people to buy their software, get a better pc/upgrade it, and then be told "you can't install this any more, naughty you!"

Now to find out more about the Ultimate terms sneakily mentioned as that's the one I'm getting!

Glad to hear it!
by dtravis7 on Thu 2nd Nov 2006 22:47 UTC
dtravis7
Member since:
2005-07-14

I am very happy they finally saw the light and changed the EULA. I build my own systems and always changing stuff around and upgrading parts. Glad they saw the light as I was not going to purchase Vista with that in effect. Very happy as I very much like Vista and now am looking forward to buying a copy or two.

Edited 2006-11-02 22:48

Just goes to show you ...
by WorknMan on Thu 2nd Nov 2006 22:58 UTC
WorknMan
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2005-11-13

At the end of the day, the customer still rules. You make a loud enough stink about something, and they will respond ;)

RE: Just goes to show you ...
by orestes on Fri 3rd Nov 2006 03:50 UTC in reply to "Just goes to show you ..."
orestes Member since:
2005-07-06

It also goes to show just how easily placated the customer base really is.

A new leaf??
by jbrader on Thu 2nd Nov 2006 23:00 UTC
jbrader
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2005-11-12

Wierd a few minutes ago I saw a story on /. that they're making a deal with Novell and now this. Maybe our old friend Bill got visited by three spirits last night.

RE: A new leaf??
by speedbuggy on Thu 2nd Nov 2006 23:29 UTC in reply to "A new leaf??"
speedbuggy Member since:
2006-11-01

Mighta slipped in the shower this morning and was brought back to consciousness with a sense of reality ..

ubit
Member since:
2006-09-08

Was probably never going to be in the final EULA anyways

abdavidson Member since:
2005-07-06

Thats my feeling about this. It was probably never going to be there but this was an easy way to make people feel like they have a victory and hence be more inclined to get into Vista.

Remember as well the no-VM in Home is still there.

Sigfrodi Member since:
2005-07-06

It was probably never going to be there but this was an easy way to make people feel like they have a victory and hence be more inclined to get into Vista.

I just think most people don't care/know about EULA... for them it makes no difference at all that this limitation was in and then removed (they won't even know). But some (many?) among those who care/know will just think "they tried but they failed". If MS did it to get more people inclined to get Vista, I think it was a poor move...

Anyway, that's a good news ;)

Edited 2006-11-03 00:43

Doc Pain Member since:
2006-10-08

"Remember as well the no-VM in Home is still there."

I think this is no problem because users of the "Home" edition won't want to install it in a VM - most of them won't even know what a VM is. :-) As far as I know, the "Home" edition will be pre-installed on machines for the home user (as the name "Home" says). And the home users just won't care. Will they read the EULA or just go there and clickityclick? :-)

Rayz Member since:
2006-06-24

Agreed. It was just a way to generate some much needed good press before the release.

View... of... Microsoft... changing...
by Devon on Fri 3rd Nov 2006 00:24 UTC
Devon
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2005-06-30

can't... control... ARG!!!

I can't help but be skeptical, like ubit and abdavidson above, but with all the strange things that Microsoft has been doing lately (listening to customers?!?) I also can't help but feel that they might actually not be so bad after all. Maybe they aren't trying to fleece and take advantage of their customers at every turn... maybe they're just... misguided?

We'll see I suppose.

Obscurus Member since:
2006-04-20

I think those that view Microsoft as some kind of evil, demonic tool of repression is a tad melodramatic.

Microsoft, like any large corporation wanting to increase its profits, will always test the boundaries to see what they can get away with, but they are not going to risk unnecessary flack (or even potential lawsuits) by going too far if their source of income (their customers) are not happy. Since most copies of Windows are going to be OEM, they really lose very little by allowing a bit of latitude to those customers who by the retail boxed editions, since if they didn't, they would lose a small but very important base of enthusiast users.

People seem to ascribe motives to MS that it doesn't have - they are simply trying to protect their investments (their attempts to do this are arguably misguided), but it is doubtful that they have some sinister intent to deprive people of their rights, although that may sometimes be the end result of their policies.

RE: Just goes to show you ...
by coffeehead on Fri 3rd Nov 2006 10:51 UTC
coffeehead
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2006-11-03

So do i have to upgrade my computers hardware very 2 months

It was unenforceable anyway
by alcibiades on Fri 3rd Nov 2006 12:18 UTC
alcibiades
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2005-10-12

Simply recognising reality of the consumer protection regimes in which they will be selling. It would have inevitably led to a real test of the enforceability of post sale restrictions on use. This would have gone against them, and their less stringent restrictions on other matters which are still too strong would have been blown up along with the Vista ones. So the smart thing was to drop it, and keep the illusion of the current regime's being enforceable.

Virtual machines will probably be blown up as well if tested.

eivind
Member since:
2005-11-09

w00t! ;)

Still not perfect
by Hands on Fri 3rd Nov 2006 16:42 UTC
Hands
Member since:
2005-06-30

You may use the software on up to two processors on that device at one time

This part is a bit vague. Does Microsoft give a solid definition (i.e. one that isn't referenced by a web site only) of what they mean by processors somewhere? There are a lot of possible definitions for what those processors might be.

RE: Still not perfect
by eMagius on Fri 3rd Nov 2006 20:34 UTC in reply to "Still not perfect"
eMagius Member since:
2005-07-06

Does Microsoft give a solid definition (i.e. one that isn't referenced by a web site only) of what they mean by processors somewhere?

Microsoft's gone on the record many times stating that "two processor" means "two sockets", not "two cores".

http://www.microsoft.com/licensing/highlights/multicore.mspx

RE[2]: Still not perfect
by Hands on Mon 6th Nov 2006 16:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Still not perfect"
Hands Member since:
2005-06-30

OK. I already knew that MS has a website defining what they recognize as a processor right now. Neither your post nor the website within it answered my question though.

A website is easily changed. So, I would prefer something more tangible within the EULA itself.

Besides, the website still doesn't answer the question very well. It definitely didn't state what you did in your post.

"Q. What is a "processor"?

A. A physical processor is a single chip that houses a collection of one or more cores. A core is a collection of one or more processor threads and a set of shared execution resources. A processor thread is the architectural state within a processor that tracks execution of a software program thread/task."


By this definition, Intel's new quad core "processors" would be defined as two processors since there are two chips.