Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:35 UTC
BeOS & Derivatives Lots of Haiku and Zeta news this weekend. Firstly, the latest Haiku image is now making use of the new, improved Deskbar and Tracker with support for scalable vector graphics. Also Stephan Assmus' award winning icon set, Stippi, has been included. Secondly, better support for Japanese is now available on Zeta. Thirdly, there is now a driver for Intel Extreme chipsets for both Zeta and Haiku. Lastly, BeOSNews.com has a guide on using Aspell on BeOS.
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funny
by Eugenia on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:47 UTC
Eugenia
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2005-06-28

What's up with the marijuana icon on the upper left hard drive? ;)
http://joomla.iscomputeron.com/images/stories/916/haiku.png

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RE: funny
by Thom_Holwerda on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:49 UTC in reply to "funny"
Thom_Holwerda Member since:
2005-06-29

Marijuana is green.

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RE[2]: funny
by Eugenia on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:53 UTC in reply to "RE: funny"
Eugenia Member since:
2005-06-28

Not if you dry it out. ;)
The shape certainly looks like it. They should have used the Haiku kind-of-leaf for an icon.

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RE[3]: funny
by Minty Fresh on Mon 6th Nov 2006 21:57 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: funny"
Minty Fresh Member since:
2005-07-06

I've seen green, red, even brown, blackish, and orangey.

I agree, the leaf by itself would've been better.

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RE[3]: funny
by StephenBeDoper on Mon 6th Nov 2006 23:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: funny"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

The shape looks more like a maple leaf.

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RE[3]: funny
by jbrader on Tue 7th Nov 2006 03:33 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: funny"
jbrader Member since:
2005-11-12

If it's at all decent it stays pretty green even when it's dry. If your stuff is turning brown I recommend finding a new supplier.

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RE: funny
by Valhalla on Mon 6th Nov 2006 23:05 UTC in reply to "funny"
Valhalla Member since:
2006-01-24

I guess now we know where Stippi gets his inspirational jive from ;)

anyway, it's looking very nice and professional. I'm guessing the biggest hurdle between now and an r1 release is getting the new network stack up and running.

edit: stippi provides some interesting information regarding the haiku svg icon implementation on the haiku homepage: http://haiku-os.org/node/280

Edited 2006-11-06 23:10

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RE: funny
by Wintermute on Tue 7th Nov 2006 01:02 UTC in reply to "funny"
Wintermute Member since:
2005-07-30

I think it looks cool. It's kinda like a suggestion that Haiku is open, in many ways...

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RE: funny
by kwanbis on Tue 7th Nov 2006 02:16 UTC in reply to "funny"
kwanbis Member since:
2005-07-06

you haven't seen a marijuana leaf don't you?

http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/images/2003/12/22/leaf.gif

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leaf
by hagiz on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:22 UTC
hagiz
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2006-01-24

too thick leaves to be a marijuana leaf if you ask me. Not very similar, could be any three with 5 split leaves..

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nice
by dacloo on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:23 UTC
dacloo
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2006-07-22

I love the clean look of Haiku, more than Zeta's added bevel-shiny-crap. Great progress is being made.

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RE: nice
by Clinton on Tue 7th Nov 2006 08:38 UTC in reply to "nice"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

Here's what I think of the BeOS and Haiku intefaces:

They are certainly nice and clean, but...

I used to use BeOS back in the day and I thought it was great. It had some amazing capabilities. However, it was almost impossible to convince people of that because of the UI.

I tried to get some of my friends and family to use BeOS, but they wouldn't because to them the UI looked cheap and old (their words, not mine).

While I'm not a big fan of wasting CPU cycles and memory to make my virtual desktops turn into a cube or my windows wiggle like Jell-o, I think Haiku needs to give potential users an interface that showcases its abilities and makes people say, "Wow!" Right now it doesn't.

I think it was OS X's "Wow!" factor that made people take notice of Apple. Prior to that, most PC people wouldn't have given Apple a second thought (I know I never did).

Haiku needs something like that. Clean is nice, but nowadays, flash, gradients, and animations sell. Have the option to turn it off, of course, but it needs to be there to get people excited about Haiku, I think.

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Nice to see some Haiku progress
by twenex on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:35 UTC
twenex
Member since:
2006-04-21

Yes I'm sure there's always lots being made, but I don't follow Haiku closely enough that trolling through lots of BeOS sites is worthwhile.

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v RE:
by Yomama on Mon 6th Nov 2006 22:48 UTC
Looks great
by wonea on Tue 7th Nov 2006 00:09 UTC
wonea
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2005-10-28

I keep watching the cvs for checkins, lovely watching Haiku progress. Love the look.

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RE: funny
by Polari on Tue 7th Nov 2006 01:04 UTC
Polari
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2006-02-24

I'm pleased I'm not the only one that thought that. I'm not really a fan of that particular icon, but as a set it's looking good.

Would be good to see the generic icon in Haiku colours, green, orange and yellow as opposed to red, blue and yellow.

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RE[2]: funny
by umccullough on Tue 7th Nov 2006 01:48 UTC in reply to "RE: funny"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Would be good to see the generic icon in Haiku colours, green, orange and yellow as opposed to red, blue and yellow.

Agreed!

In fact, this was reason I really liked Kabuto - because the generic icon was very Haiku-ish in color.

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definately not marijuana
by philter on Tue 7th Nov 2006 01:12 UTC
philter
Member since:
2006-01-31

Doubt anyone cares...it's not a big deal, but it's not weed (unless the designer has never seen a weed leaf). Marijuana leaves are compound. That looks like it's supposed to be a maple leaf or gum tree.

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it's maple a maple leaf...
by stippi on Tue 7th Nov 2006 01:22 UTC
stippi
Member since:
2006-01-19

... in fall.

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soapdog Member since:
2005-07-25

You know, I can look at haiku with that icon set for hours and never get tired, this is really a good sign.

thanks for your hard work stippi!

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RE: it's maple a maple leaf...
by parrotjoe on Tue 7th Nov 2006 02:00 UTC in reply to "it's maple a maple leaf..."
parrotjoe Member since:
2005-07-06

Maybe it automatically changes as the seasons change :-)

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umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

Maybe it automatically changes as the seasons change :-)

And what hemisphere you're in...

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dylansmrjones Member since:
2005-10-02

Perhaps it could be based on weather descriptions?

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pretty sad
by Fuji257 on Tue 7th Nov 2006 02:32 UTC
Fuji257
Member since:
2006-01-24

that Zeta/BeOS/Haiku can manage to get 1280x1024 res with millions of colours but Xorgs drivers are still hosed with a paltry showing of 1024x768 no acceleration, and misidentifying the GMA950 . . .

don't mod me down now you linux nuts; just go to your favorite distro's web board and search for "GMA950", it's been a problem chip for linux now for an embarrassing amount of time that everyone knows about and you can't blame intel cause the reference drivers with source is available.

GO HAIKU!!!!

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RE: pretty sad
by helf on Tue 7th Nov 2006 04:22 UTC in reply to "pretty sad"
helf Member since:
2005-07-06

Isn't haiku using generic VESA3 with that chipset? I dont know at all, but if thats the case, then its really nothing special. even windows XP will do that ;)

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Kernel
by BenBen on Tue 7th Nov 2006 09:39 UTC
BenBen
Member since:
2006-10-09

I'm not checking this project daily but last time I checked they were still trying to have a working kernel... Is it over now ? I mean, is Haiku able to display that Tracker/ UI using 100% "haiku stuff" ? Or are they still running their tests on the original BeOS kernel ?

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RE: Kernel
by ahwayakchih on Tue 7th Nov 2006 10:03 UTC in reply to "Kernel"
ahwayakchih Member since:
2006-03-22

Haiku uses "own" (NewOS based) kernel for a long time now.
If Haiku used BeOS kernel there would be no disk images on http://haiku-os.org/factory because it would be illegal to distribute BeOS kernel in any other form than original BeOS 5 PE installation.

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RE: Kernel
by togs on Tue 7th Nov 2006 10:04 UTC in reply to "Kernel"
togs Member since:
2005-07-06

Haiku is able to do all that off of it's own back. Take it for a spin using VMWare (or Parallels) and an image from HaikuHost. I think you'll be pleasantly suprised.

http://haikuhost.com/housestrain/

I've been tooling with it for a couple of days. While there's not a whole lot to do as far as apps go (I have had luck loading apps off of a BeOS Max disk), it certainly showcases the sheer perseverance of the dev team. Given a solid 1.0 release down the track, Haiku will certainly be a nice alternative to Windows.

Check it out.

Edited 2006-11-07 10:07

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Radeon driver fixed!
by ahwayakchih on Tue 7th Nov 2006 10:32 UTC
ahwayakchih
Member since:
2006-03-22

I've just tried latest hd image and thanks to BGA fixes i don't have to remove radeon driver before booting my laptop to Haiku anymore! ;)

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KDL on first boot
by konrad on Tue 7th Nov 2006 13:01 UTC
konrad
Member since:
2006-01-06

Anyone else that was thrown into the KDL during first time boot in Wmware?

Maybe this is a known bug, well just try to reboot and it will boot fine during second boot.
/Konrad

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RE: KDL on first boot
by axeld on Tue 7th Nov 2006 13:40 UTC in reply to "KDL on first boot"
axeld Member since:
2005-07-07

Did it work on your second or third boot? :-)
Since I allowed the VM to free no longer used areas (because of fork), the system sometimes accesses memory that's already gone - so it's a known bug, if that's what happened to you. If Ithamar doesn't beat me, I'll work on this after networking.

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RE[2]: KDL on first boot
by konrad on Tue 7th Nov 2006 16:39 UTC in reply to "RE: KDL on first boot"
konrad Member since:
2006-01-06

It worked on my second boot!

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RE[2]: KDL on first boot
by umccullough on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:39 UTC in reply to "RE: KDL on first boot"
umccullough Member since:
2006-01-26

so it's a known bug, if that's what happened to you

I assume that's the occasional "double fault" KDL? I sometimes see that on first boot in VMWare also... but it's not consistent.

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RE: KDL on first boot
by tonywob on Tue 7th Nov 2006 20:57 UTC in reply to "KDL on first boot"
tonywob Member since:
2005-07-06

I had the same problem in Parallels, and I had to resize the disk image to 120MB.

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Something else
by konrad on Tue 7th Nov 2006 13:03 UTC
konrad
Member since:
2006-01-06

I love their new icon set. I think its clean and still BeOSish. Great work guys. And to the title here at Osnews, it doesnt not have a new Tracker/Deskbar. If you read Stippi's post its using translators/IconUtils.

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Be Forever!
by brewmastre on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:31 UTC
brewmastre
Member since:
2006-08-01

I'm just glad to see BeOS being kept alive like this. It was and still is an awesome OS.

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Yay!
by judgen on Tue 7th Nov 2006 18:53 UTC
judgen
Member since:
2006-07-12

Read about this some day ago, impressive. Axel and the good bunch at haiku-os rox!

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BeGeistert
by biffuz on Tue 7th Nov 2006 19:54 UTC
biffuz
Member since:
2006-03-27

No news about the next BeGeistert? It has been announced!

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