Linked by Thom Holwerda on Tue 7th Nov 2006 12:15 UTC, submitted by jayson.knight
.NET (dotGNU too) As the final runup to Vista RTM continues, Microsoft has announced that the .NET Framework 3.0 (formerly WinFX) has RTMed and is available on Microsoft Downloads. This is a significant milestone for the Developer Division, and delivers on some of the promises of Windows Vista programmability on earlier platforms.
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Cart and Horse
by segedunum on Tue 7th Nov 2006 15:47 UTC
segedunum
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2005-07-06

Considering that .Net 3.0 is supposed to be the Win32 API replacement, effectively, for Vista, wouldn't it have been sensible to release the programming platform well in advance and not weeks before the actual OS itself?

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RE: Cart and Horse
by Marcellus on Tue 7th Nov 2006 16:02 UTC in reply to "Cart and Horse"
Marcellus Member since:
2005-08-26

It was released well in advance. Just not in RTM form.

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RE[2]: Cart and Horse
by ebasconp on Tue 7th Nov 2006 16:05 UTC in reply to "RE: Cart and Horse"
ebasconp Member since:
2006-05-09

As long as I know, is not a replacement for the Win32API, not yet.

:)

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RE: Cart and Horse
by NotParker on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:17 UTC in reply to "Cart and Horse"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

Considering that .Net 3.0 is supposed to be the Win32 API replacement, effectively, for Vista, wouldn't it have been sensible to release the programming platform well in advance and not weeks before the actual OS itself?

It is not a replacement for the Win32 API.

But you have been able to download beta versions for a long time as well as tools to program for it.

.NET 3.0 is:

Windows Presentation Foundation Classes (WPF) [Avalon] - The technology for building rich Windows applications with special features for managing layout, text, 2-d and 3-d graphics and much more.

Windows Communication Foundation Classes (WCF) [Indigo] - A new framework for inter-process communication that will change the way we interact with web services and the way we implement remoting.

Windows Workflow Foundation Classes (WF) - This is a framework for creating workflow engines that can be incorporated into your application

Info Spaces [InfoCards] - A very nice way to deal with controlling how you identify yourself and how much information you provide on the web.

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RE[2]: Cart and Horse
by n4cer on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Cart and Horse"
n4cer Member since:
2005-07-06

One correction: The name for Microsoft's implementation of information cards is CardSpace.

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RE[2]: Cart and Horse
by segedunum on Tue 7th Nov 2006 18:59 UTC in reply to "RE: Cart and Horse"
segedunum Member since:
2005-07-06

It is not a replacement for the Win32 API.

.Net is now what Microsoft want you to use to program on Windows. In the case of Vista the Win32 API and COM is still there for legacy reasons, but you're not going to be able to get access to any of the new Vista stuff like Avalon unless you do .Net. It's that simple. For that reason it is replacing the Win32 API and COM.

Info Spaces [InfoCards] - A very nice way to deal with controlling how you identify yourself and how much information you provide on the web.

Wow. Pulled straight out of Microsoft's marketing backside. I can identify myself well enough, thank you very much.

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RE[3]: Cart and Horse
by NotParker on Tue 7th Nov 2006 19:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Cart and Horse"
NotParker Member since:
2006-06-01

For that reason it is replacing the Win32 API and COM.

Nope. Native applications will still be using the Win32 API.

If you want a managed application, you should use .NET.

Hybrid applications use both.

http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista/downloads/products/getthebet...

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RE[3]: Cart and Horse
by Bending Unit on Tue 7th Nov 2006 20:01 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Cart and Horse"
Bending Unit Member since:
2005-07-06

For that reason it is replacing the Win32 API and COM.
It's still implemented using unmanaged code, for that reason it can't replace win32.

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RTM
by smitty_one_each on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:09 UTC
smitty_one_each
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2005-07-07

Released to mirrors?
Rejected that monstrosity?
Returned the milk?

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RE: RTM
by robilad on Tue 7th Nov 2006 17:53 UTC in reply to "RTM"
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2006-01-02
RE: RTM
by agentj on Tue 7th Nov 2006 18:09 UTC in reply to "RTM"
agentj Member since:
2005-08-19

Take this acronym lovers:

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RE[2]: RTM
by Get a Life on Tue 7th Nov 2006 18:18 UTC in reply to "RE: RTM"
Get a Life Member since:
2006-01-01

"I have a serious brain disease, please give me a cat."

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RE: RTM
by hussam on Tue 7th Nov 2006 19:30 UTC in reply to "RTM"
hussam Member since:
2006-08-17

Released to mirrors ;) lol
I think I saw it on ftp.gwdg.de and mirror.pacific.net.au , lol :-)

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Replace, or require win32
by mtilsted on Wed 8th Nov 2006 05:29 UTC
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Member since:
2006-01-15

The current .net implementation is using the win32 api, to perform many things, so you might as well call it a nice wrapper around an api that should have died 10 years ago*.

*Yes I have developed software to the win32 api. It's an interesting expierence.

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RE: Replace, or require win32
by Bit_Rapist on Wed 8th Nov 2006 15:08 UTC in reply to "Replace, or require win32"
Bit_Rapist Member since:
2005-11-13

*Yes I have developed software to the win32 api. It's an interesting hack

There fixed that for ya ;)

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