Linked by Thom Holwerda on Mon 11th Dec 2006 23:02 UTC, submitted by Charles A Landemaine
PC-BSD PC-BSD 1.3 RC1 has been released. From the changelog: "Fixed icon size issues in KMenu; installer now does not display extended partitions; installer now can use empty primary partition space to install; fixed issue with BSDStats not properly reporting usage; fixed problem with 'Start' icon text not being translated properly; fixed issues when using installer to upgrade system from 1.2 to 1.3; closed numerous other issues from BETA2." Get it here.
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Xorg ATI drivers
by chocobanana on Mon 11th Dec 2006 23:20 UTC
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2006-01-04

Does anyone know if the open-source radeon driver is available for PC-BSD? How about Gnome instead of KDE?

I hope they make it available, PC-BSD looks very promising.

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RE: Xorg ATI drivers
by twenex on Mon 11th Dec 2006 23:27 UTC in reply to "Xorg ATI drivers"
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2006-04-21

I agree. About time for some good news.

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RE: Xorg ATI drivers
by Charles A Landemaine on Mon 11th Dec 2006 23:57 UTC in reply to "Xorg ATI drivers"
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2005-11-11

Here's some more information on Gnome: http://faqs.pcbsd.org/8_334_en.html

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Extended partitions
by Temcat on Tue 12th Dec 2006 00:09 UTC
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2005-10-18

From the release notes: "Installer now does not display extended partitions."

What exactly does it mean? I won't be able to install PC-BSD on an extended partition?

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RE: Extended partitions
by w00dst0ck on Tue 12th Dec 2006 00:14 UTC in reply to "Extended partitions"
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2006-02-01

It was never able to. PC-BSD being based on FreeBSD where FreeBSD can only install on primary partitions so in turn why show extended partitions if they will only add to the confusion that might already be overwhelming a new user during the install...

This is a smart move in my opinion. Helps to streamline things.

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RE: Extended partitions
by Charles A Landemaine on Tue 12th Dec 2006 00:14 UTC in reply to "Extended partitions"
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2005-11-11

Exactly, you can only install PC-BSD on primary partitions: http://docs.pcbsd.org/guide/chap2.3.html

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RE: Extended partitions
by rhavenn on Tue 12th Dec 2006 00:42 UTC in reply to "Extended partitions"
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2006-05-12

Just to clear up confusion. The *BSD's create a partition for themselves that has to be a primary and then create slices inside said partition. So, you're still able to chop up your mount points, etc... inside the partition. All in all, it's a bit "cleaner", but I don't know if actually is technically better or worse then the Linux way of partitioning.

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RE[2]: Extended partitions
by twenex on Tue 12th Dec 2006 00:50 UTC in reply to "RE: Extended partitions"
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2006-04-21

I wonder why they've never made it possible to put it in an extended partition...having to take up a whole primary partition is a bit limiting, imo.

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RE[3]: Extended partitions
by KenJackson on Tue 12th Dec 2006 16:28 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Extended partitions"
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2005-07-18

It's reasonable in my view. All local BSD mount points (/usr, /home, /tmp, /var) go into one slice, so all together they only use up one disk 'partition'.

OTOH, if you want to separate /home, /usr and others on a Linux system you have to use up separate disk partitions. Linux must support extended partitions for practical reasons.

This only limits people who want to multi-boot more than 4 OSes on one disk. Those people will have to either buy another disk or use VMware or similar.

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RE[4]: Extended partitions
by Bobe on Tue 12th Dec 2006 18:35 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Extended partitions"
Bobe Member since:
2006-12-12

Exactly! BSD doesn't have to have a partition for each mount point, instead, you have one primary partition and then all your mount points become slices within.

I think the BSD way is a bit cleaner myself, but I have to admit it was confusing to me when I first encountered it.

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RE[5]: Extended partitions
by Doc Pain on Tue 12th Dec 2006 19:41 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Extended partitions"
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2006-10-08

"Exactly! BSD doesn't have to have a partition for each mount point, instead, you have one primary partition and then all your mount points become slices within."

You're right, but be careful with the terminology. What you call "partition" in DOS is called "slice" in FreeBSD. A slice can hold many paritions (This is the FreeBSD term now!) which are mounted into the root partition (or into another mountpoint).

Exempli gratia:

% mount
/dev/ad0s1a on / (ufs, local)
/dev/ad0s1d on /var (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1e on /usr (ufs, local, soft-updates)
/dev/ad0s1f on /home (ufs, local, soft-updates)

Here, ad0 is the first hard disk, ad0s1 is its first partition (DOS) / first slice (FreeBSD). The slice holds the Partitions a (root partition), b (swap), d (system ressources), e (var), and f (home).

Every UFS1/UFS2 capable OS that is installed on the computer, let's say on another disk ad1 or on the same disk on a second slice ad0s2, can have access to these partitions.

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RE[6]: Extended partitions
by Bobe on Tue 12th Dec 2006 21:03 UTC in reply to "RE[5]: Extended partitions"
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2006-12-12

You are entirely correct. Thank you for the clarification.

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RE[2]: Extended partitions
by Nadow on Tue 12th Dec 2006 07:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Extended partitions"
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2006-12-12

No, first of all you create the Slice for FreeBSD (called normally Partition in other systems) And then inside of the Slice you create the "Partitions" you want.

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RE[3]: Extended partitions
by netpython on Tue 12th Dec 2006 07:22 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Extended partitions"
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2005-07-06

No, first of all you create the Slice for FreeBSD (called normally Partition in other systems) And then inside of the Slice you create the "Partitions" you want.

So it's possible to have extended partitions only it's called different?

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RE[4]: Extended partitions
by twenex on Tue 12th Dec 2006 11:16 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Extended partitions"
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2006-04-21

No. For one thing, FBSD only allows 8 filesystems within the primary partition it uses, whereas I think an extended partition allows something like 63.

For another, it's only possible to have one extended partition per drive afaik, whereas you can have multiple BSD partitions per drive - that is, a freebsd, an openbsd, and a netbsd partition, or two freebsd's and one netbsd, etc.

Thirdly, all OS's on the drive report a *BSD partition as either a BSD primary partition or an unknown partition, not as an extended one.

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RE[2]: Extended partitions
by Cloudy on Tue 12th Dec 2006 08:34 UTC in reply to "RE: Extended partitions"
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2006-02-15

FreeBSD and NetBSD handle PC disk partitioning differently than each other.

NetBSD uses its own disklabel on all architectures that have disklike devices, and only uses the PC FDISK style partition on PCs.

I believe OpenBSD is also different, but I'm not familiar with its disk layout.

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RE[3]: Extended partitions
by twenex on Tue 12th Dec 2006 11:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Extended partitions"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

That suggests that on, say, the Amiga, you need a separate disk with a netbsd disklabel to store netbsd - but i believe this is incorrect.

However, I believe this *is* the case on architectures like vax, built for VMS, which has no concept of separate partitions on a disk. Right?

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RE[4]: Extended partitions
by Cloudy on Tue 12th Dec 2006 18:40 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Extended partitions"
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2006-02-15

Yes. I over simplified. thanks for the clarification.

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RE[5]: Extended partitions
by twenex on Tue 12th Dec 2006 18:43 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Extended partitions"
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2006-04-21

You're welcome!

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Um
by Edward on Tue 12th Dec 2006 19:03 UTC
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2005-09-17

It was never able to. PC-BSD being based on FreeBSD where FreeBSD can only install on primary partitions so in turn why show extended partitions if they will only add to the confusion that might already be overwhelming a new user during the install...

So before I install PC-BSD, I have to move my data onto the extended partition on my 2nd drive before installing. It would be nice to install on a ext. partition through a advanced option.

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Eagerly waiting for the final 1.3 version
by BSDrama on Tue 12th Dec 2006 21:28 UTC
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2006-11-27

If only we got flash for freebsd, I would be all set.

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if
by deanlinkous on Fri 15th Dec 2006 10:58 UTC
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2006-06-19

wish I was happy with using software that wasn't free...

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