Linked by Eugenia Loli on Wed 24th Jan 2007 18:33 UTC, submitted by MaxxTotal
Sun Solaris, OpenSolaris Open source was behind Intel's decision to add Solaris to its list of supported operating systems, according to a top official from Intel during a teleconference with reporters. In other news, Sun returned to profitability.
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Turning tables
by twenex on Wed 24th Jan 2007 18:49 UTC
twenex
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2006-04-21

Recent reports: Seventy-five percent of developers contributing to open-source, two-thirds of all software in the US open-source.

Increasingly, it is the closed-source-or-die crowd that is looking like a bunch of fanatical crusaders.

Microsoft and co. must be getting worried!

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RE: Turning tables
by Rayz on Wed 24th Jan 2007 19:09 UTC in reply to "Turning tables"
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2006-06-24

Microsoft and co. must be getting worried!

Well, they probably would, except for the fact that their that all these open source projects run on their platform anyway ...

Increasingly, it is the closed-source-or-die crowd that is looking like a bunch of fanatical crusaders

... he said, fanatically.

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RE[2]: Turning tables
by archiesteel on Wed 24th Jan 2007 20:03 UTC in reply to "RE: Turning tables"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Well, they probably would, except for the fact that their that all these open source projects run on their platform anyway

However, the more open-source is used, the more people are likely to switch to open-source platforms. MS should in fact be worried (and they are, considering the amount of astroturfing seen on web forums).

... he said, fanatically.

Ad Hominem attack. -1 point for using a logical fallacy.

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RE[3]: Turning tables
by Bit_Rapist on Wed 24th Jan 2007 20:40 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Turning tables"
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2005-11-13

(and they are, considering the amount of astroturfing seen on web forums).

While I agree that MS is likely scared *hitless over the threat of OSS I don't think they astrosurf to the degree everyone thinks they do.

If anyone posts anything positive about MS or a MS related technology its assumed to be astrosurfing and in almost every case there is no proof at all.

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RE[4]: Turning tables
by archiesteel on Wed 24th Jan 2007 21:17 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Turning tables"
archiesteel Member since:
2005-07-02

Absence of proof is not proof of absence. :-)

This is exactly why I thought it was a bad move for MS to try to hire someone to edit Wikipedia, it greatly fuels suspicion of widespread astroturfing on their part.

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RE[4]: Turning tables
by twenex on Thu 25th Jan 2007 00:47 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Turning tables"
twenex Member since:
2006-04-21

You're right; not everyone who approves of MS is an astroturfer.

However, everyone who has nothing critical to say of MS, always praises MS, and goes all out to put FOSS developers in a bad light probably is an astroturfer.

Besides, I sometimes use the word "astroturfer" in the sense of "fanatically approving user of software X", without the implication that said user is paid to appear so.

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RE[3]: Turning tables
by andrewg on Wed 24th Jan 2007 20:49 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Turning tables"
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2005-07-06

Ad Hominem attack. -1 point for using a logical fallacy.

Except he wasn't making an argument. He was making an observation. Fortunately you don't get a -1 since the forum rules don't include mod points for not knowing the difference. Please understand that logical fallacies only apply to arguments and that not everything spoken, written or otherwise communicated are arguments.

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RE[4]: Turning tables
by archiesteel on Wed 24th Jan 2007 21:21 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Turning tables"
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2005-07-02

Except he wasn't making an argument. He was making an observation. Fortunately you don't get a -1 since the forum rules don't include mod points for not knowing the difference. Please understand that logical fallacies only apply to arguments and that not everything spoken, written or otherwise communicated are arguments.

I disagree. He was trying to counter the person's argument by implying that it was an emotional statement fueled by fanaticism. It might not have been as eloquent as your own statement, but it was still an argument, which sought to undermine the OP's credibility.

The line isn't so clear-cut between arguments and observation anyway. One could easily argue that an observation can posit an implicit argument with regards to a situation and/or a statement.

I still believe the response was meant as an ad hominem attack on the OP's character, but feel free to disagree.

Oh, and I really don't care about being modded down. I have made so many posts on this site that it takes a lot of modding to affect my Trust rating. Feel free to mod this post, as it is off-topic.

Edited 2007-01-24 21:22

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v RE[5]: Turning tables
by jmcp on Wed 24th Jan 2007 23:21 UTC in reply to "RE[4]: Turning tables"
RE[3]: Turning tables
by kaiwai on Thu 25th Jan 2007 06:17 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Turning tables"
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2005-07-06

More correctly, not fear the opensource, fear openstandards; fear people who move their work online thus making the operating system less and less important.

The problem with Microsoft is this; at the same time of having a vested interest in making sure their platform survives, if they pull off vendor lock in for services, especially services that will end up requiring a new install of IE which will only available for new operating systems, they'll shoot themselves in the foot.

What I hope is that the likes of Adobe, Corel and Quicken, wake up, smell reality and realise that they either port their applications to *NIX or face uncertainty in the future as Microsoft tries to lash about like a wounded animal lashing out at all those close near it.

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Turning Tables
by lazywally on Wed 24th Jan 2007 19:47 UTC
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2005-07-06

Opensource project with well recognized corporate backing. One of the oldest, most stable, and still innovative(DTrace, ZFS) platforms.

Not only watch out Windows Server. Watchout Linux and FreeBSD as well.

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Solaris Intel device drivers
by palowoda on Wed 24th Jan 2007 20:45 UTC
palowoda
Member since:
2006-09-20

I take it after reading all this PR gobble de gook
that Sun and Intel plan on releasing Intel open source
networking drivers for OpenSolaris.

---Bob

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RE: Solaris Intel device drivers
by kaiwai on Thu 25th Jan 2007 06:23 UTC in reply to "Solaris Intel device drivers"
kaiwai Member since:
2005-07-06

And a scary thought, they've just turned a profit for the last quarter, $126million. I guess now I actually have a possibility of finding a boyfriend, and hell might freeze over soon.

Too bad all that profit will be wasted on something completely useless rather that it being used to invest into third party software vendors to bring desktop/workstation software to Solaris platform.

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Astroturfer!
by Rinnan on Wed 24th Jan 2007 20:52 UTC
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2005-11-23

While I agree that MS is likely scared *hitless over the threat of OSS I don't think they astrosurf to the degree everyone thinks they do.

If anyone posts anything positive about MS or a MS related technology its assumed to be astrosurfing and in almost every case there is no proof at all.


Astroturfer!

(j/k) :p

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