Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Jan 2007 01:08 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris "For some time now, I've been working with members of In Situ team to integrate their Metisse software in Mandriva Linux and it is really exciting. Mandriva will announce very soon (today or tomorrow) Metisse will be part of Mandriva Spring 2007 and is also available as a Live CD based on Mandriva 2007.0 and GNOME right now so everybody can try Metisse right now and report bugs."
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Hmmmm
by elzurawka on Thu 25th Jan 2007 01:36 UTC
elzurawka
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2005-07-08

This looks like an underpowered beryl or compiz. Although im sure there is some nice new features, wouldn't it be better to just make a plugin for beryl? Although it is not stable yet, it is maturing quickly.

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RE: Hmmmm
by Ventajou on Thu 25th Jan 2007 01:57 UTC in reply to "Hmmmm"
Ventajou Member since:
2006-10-31

Maybe it's not as dependent on the video drivers, which would allow it to work out of the box on much more hardware.

I watched their videos and they insist that it's not a 3d desktop...

The copy/paste and view of all virtual desktops seem pretty neat. But rotating the windows toward the side of the screen makes them quite impractical. And the mirror function seems plain useless...

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RE: Hmmmm
by nzjrs on Thu 25th Jan 2007 02:28 UTC in reply to "Hmmmm"
nzjrs Member since:
2006-01-02

Im sorry, you appear to have not read the article. Did you see the "not a 3d desktop part?"

Im all for branching out and investigating new avenues! Compiz is one approach and Metisse is another.

Hopefully both will converge and the best parts will make it into Metacity and Kwin.

I particuarly like the page curl as text is copy and pasted

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Looks good for productivity
by ngaio on Thu 25th Jan 2007 01:56 UTC
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2005-10-06

This is the first time I've seen some desktop effects that look like they could be genuinely useful above and beyond "cute". The copy and paste and placing two windows side by side is pretty cool!

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Boring
by brewmastre on Thu 25th Jan 2007 02:54 UTC
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2006-08-01

I'm sorry, but after watching the videos it looks like it's taking some useful but unoriginal ideas (Zoom/Tile = Expose) and some new but useless ideas(Mirrored windows) and making a window manager. My other concern is that if it doesn't utilize the 3D extension of your video card, won't it just be a CPU hog?

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RE: Boring
by h-milch-mann on Thu 25th Jan 2007 10:23 UTC in reply to "Boring"
h-milch-mann Member since:
2005-10-27

>>My other concern is that if it doesn't utilize the 3D extension of your video card, won't it just be a CPU hog?<<
No you guessed wrong. This is clearly stated in the FAQ.

Do I need a high-end 3D graphical card to use metisse?
No. Metisse uses basic openGL commands for most of its feature and can run on entry level 3D graphic cards. For instance, metisse is able to run (slowly) on PIII 450Mhz with TNT2 graphical chipset.

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RE[2]: Boring
by brewmastre on Thu 25th Jan 2007 13:20 UTC in reply to "RE: Boring"
brewmastre Member since:
2006-08-01

"Do I need a high-end 3D graphical card to use metisse?
No. Metisse uses basic openGL commands for most of its feature and can run on entry level 3D graphic cards."

OK, so it is a 3D desktop. It may not look like one, but if it is using the 3D extension of you video card to do it's magic then it is.

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RE[3]: Boring
by nivanson on Thu 25th Jan 2007 21:19 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Boring"
nivanson Member since:
2006-07-13

No. Utilizing your 3D card doesn't make your desktop a 3D desktop. However, letting your desktop behave as a 3D desktop makes it.

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RE: Boring
by B. Janssen on Thu 25th Jan 2007 11:15 UTC in reply to "Boring"
B. Janssen Member since:
2006-10-11

<brewmastre: I'm sorry, but after watching the videos it looks like it's taking some useful but unoriginal ideas (Zoom/Tile = Expose) and some new but useless ideas(Mirrored windows) and making a window manager.

You don't have to be sorry for being confused. The bird's eye function is a full-screen desktop switcher, not a task switcher, with added functionality for app preview. I'm not quite sure about the usefulness of the mirror function but i guess you can get it without extra effort from the rotating function, for which i *can* see uses. Your other concern has already been addressed.

I haven't seen the copy & paste function yet, DailyMotion seems to choke.

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v RE[2]: Boring
by brewmastre on Thu 25th Jan 2007 13:29 UTC in reply to "RE: Boring"
Metisse is interesting..
by ubit on Thu 25th Jan 2007 03:00 UTC
ubit
Member since:
2006-09-08

I saw a video of it where you could move buttons out of any toolbar and place it in another floating toolbar.

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This has come quite a way
by reknawrd on Thu 25th Jan 2007 04:50 UTC
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2006-10-23

I remember using this a couple years ago; just installed in on a whim after hearing about it (I think on a gentoo forum).

It was usable, though watching videos wasn't an option, and I just couldn't find a justifiable use for rotating circular windows.

I did, however, really like the ability to "peel" back windows and see what's below. Might have to give it a go again.

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v Metisse ? From Dead Like Me ?
by mikesum32 on Thu 25th Jan 2007 11:46 UTC
mirror
by xmv_ on Thu 25th Jan 2007 12:21 UTC
xmv_
Member since:
2006-06-09

the mirror effect looks particularly... useless! ;)
maybe on a tablet pc with one guy at each side hm ? not

too bad that dailymotion fails to deliver some videos though (they'll work tomorrow as usual)

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Don't watch screenshots, try it for yourself
by h3rman on Thu 25th Jan 2007 12:26 UTC
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2006-08-09

Time and again it occurs to me that when it comes to graphical desktops, screenshots are meaningless. The look, yes, but the feel, you can't communicate that by screenshots - nor videos.

I've seen a couple of AIGLX/XGL Beryl/Compiz screenshots videos (it's hard to avoid them in any case) and I thought the cube and wobble stuff was crap, and the Expose effect was unstable as compared to OS X. When I did try it (after finally discovering there was an open driver for my ATi card), it was (felt) much better than it looked on the internet, because of the way "Expose" actually worked on my computer, even from a live cd.

Still don't like the cube though, but also the Alt+Tab, and the look of the window lists are quite nice.

Maybe we should ban all screenshots. ;)

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real 3d
by ari-free on Thu 25th Jan 2007 22:22 UTC
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2007-01-22

in a real 3d desktop, you'd navigate your system like a FPS game. You might have a 'house' and you'd have stuff in each room. You'd have 'real' wallpaper and hang pictures on the walls.

You could rotate the icons and see different shadows and reflections from the background.

or 3d wallpaper. imagine that XP field wallpaper is really 3d and you move around it for another view.

Edited 2007-01-25 22:29

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More useable than beryl
by haydenm on Fri 26th Jan 2007 03:48 UTC
haydenm
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2006-10-29

The key difference between metisse and beryl is - in metisse, application windows are still fully useable in their transformed state.

I think this is a huge useability advancement when compared with the other 3d enhaced desktops out there. As far as I know, this is the first implementation that allows this.

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