Linked by Thom Holwerda on Thu 25th Jan 2007 22:42 UTC
PDAs, Cellphones, Wireless Access, the company behind the former PalmSource, announced Thursday it is renaming the Palm OS operating system to 'Garnet OS', rolling out a new 'Access Powered' logo that replaces the 'Palm Powered' branding used on a wide range of handheld devices. In September 1995, Access purchased Palm OS and its owner PalmSource, which was spun out of Palm, Inc. following that company's separation from former parent 3Com. PalmSource changed its name to Access Systems America in October, selling the rights to the 'Palm' brand name back to Palm, Inc.
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1995?
by Roguelazer (3.08) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 00:15 UTC
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Really? I could have sworn that Palm, Inc. was a subsidiary of US Robotics in 1995... Did you perhaps mean 2005?

On topic, if they're renaming it Garnet OS, does that mean that they've dropped Cobalt entirely? If so, can they give the Be source code back? Please?

RE: 1995?
by helf (2.88) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 01:07 UTC in reply to "1995?"
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I really wish that SOMEONE would release a well thought out PDA running Cobalt. But it doesn't look like it will happen. And Palm still won't release any decent PDAs... The Treos rock, but thats about it.

RE: 1995?
by jeanmarc (2.52) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 06:52 UTC in reply to "1995?"
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Who need the copyrighted licenced Be's code when you have Haiku ? ;)

Cobalt's been dead for two years
by Cloudy (2.68) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 01:32 UTC
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PalmSource, now a part of Access, stopped working on Cobalt for all intents and purposes, two years ago, when they announced their PalmOsForLinux project.

PDAs are dead.

RE: Cobalt's been dead for two years
by asusanator (1) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 01:39 UTC in reply to "Cobalt's been dead for two years"
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I think the standalone PDA is coming to its end, but if you look at some of the releases HTC are coming out with the smartphone and pda-phone are going to be going strong for a long while.

RE[2]: Cobalt's been dead for two years
by Cloudy (2.68) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 06:06 UTC in reply to "RE: Cobalt's been dead for two years"
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Absolutely.

Moto, HTC, Palm, Sharp, Nokia, et cetera, all have new smartphones headed to market and no letup in sight.

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It's really unfortunate that PDA's are coming to an end. I have yet to see a so-called 'smart' phone that can meet my needs. Smashing the PDA and phone together has moved things backwards. I need the smallest possible phone for the convenience factor, not a massive thing that tries to do everything (but nothing well) that I have to lug around.

Edited 2007-01-26 17:39

PalmOS
by bsharitt (2.16) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 06:30 UTC
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Since PalmOS bought a permanent license to the PalmOS sourcecode from Access to do with as they please, I'm guess that they will be releasing the PalmOS branded version?

RE: PalmOS
by Cloudy (2.68) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 18:43 UTC in reply to "PalmOS"
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All of Palm's current products run garnet, (PalmOS 5,) as modified by Palm.

Garnet is technology near the end of its life.

Palm has not said what they intend to do with the technology they licensed, although industry speculation is that they're going to do a Linux based PalmOS of their own.

Namespaces
by robinh (2.12) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 08:26 UTC
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Access = Microsoft Desktop Database system.

Garnet = Comedy character from an old English television program, synonomous with West Ham football club and racism.

Seriously, why would they throw away the Palm brand, and replace it with something less recognisable, which also could cause confusion with other products?

Craziness!

RE: Namespaces
by sanders (1.4) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 08:34 UTC in reply to "Namespaces"
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Seriously, why would they throw away the Palm brand, and replace it with something less recognisable, which also could cause confusion with other products?

Ego. IANABP (I am not a business person) nor do I play one on TV, so I never understand this reasoning either. When buying a company, a large portion of the money goes into "goodwill" and "brand recognition". Why some companies as a first step decide to blow millions on rebranding (think of all the marketing materials, letterheads, web presence, etc.) to replace the original (paid-for!) name with their own, often less known, can only be explained by ego.

Does anyone have any statistics as to growth, market value, brand recognition etc. before and after such a renaming action?

RE[2]: Namespaces
by Moochman (2.8) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 14:25 UTC in reply to "RE: Namespaces"
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IAANABP, but I'd say that in cases where two well-known (and equally well-liked) brands are merged, it often makes sense to get rid of one of those brands, because it allows for a "halo effect" that disperses equally on all of your products. However, in all cases where one brand is better-known (and/or better-liked) you're absolutely right that it makes no sense to get rid of that brand name.

I suspect this is Access's way of saying "screw you" to Palm for not throwing their support behind Access's upcoming platform.

RE: Namespaces
by bsharitt (2.16) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 09:41 UTC in reply to "Namespaces"
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Didn't Palm buy back all the rights to the Palm name? Maybe they're not allowed to call it PalmOS anymore.

RE[2]: Namespaces
by Cloudy (2.68) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE: Namespaces"
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Exactly correct.

PalmSource, before being bought by Access, sold the rights to the "Palm" name to PalmOne, which then changed its name back to Palm.

The deal gave PalmSource 4 years to replace "Palm" in its name and the name of all of its products.

Brand recognition
by littlewilliedetector (0.6) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 16:22 UTC
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The messing with the well known brand names can be bad like the Borland / Inprise madness of melons.

Alf Garnet is not good name for OS. Bald man.

RE: Brand recognition
by Adam S (Staff) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 18:52 UTC in reply to "Brand recognition"
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The messing with the well known brand names can be bad like the Borland / Inprise madness of melons.

I agree. Palm is a well recognized name already. Now they are starting from scratch. How well known can a handheld OS be with a non-tech consumer?

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by Nutela (1.28) on Fri 26th Jan 2007 17:00 UTC