Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 11:40 UTC, submitted by Michael
Fedora Core "Earlier this week Microsoft finally shipped its Vista operating system, which has been receiving a fair amount of attention from traditional media sources. However, if Windows is not your thing Fedora 7 Test 1 is now out." Phoronix has some preliminary thoughts on Fedora 7 Test 1.
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LiveCD based installations
by sukru on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 12:57 UTC
sukru
Member since:
2006-11-19

I remember installing older releases of Solaris which you could run netscape while waiting for package installation to complete. And having links in Gentoo installation to read online documents was really nice.

But I cannot understand the need to integrate a "complete desktop system" with the installer. Everybody already complains about the number of CDs required, and almost an entire one is wasted for the applications which are duplicated (one for live cd, one for RPMS).

Unless they incorporate the existing binaries to installation, I'd prefer a regular setup CD, for a faster install and smaller download.

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RE: LiveCD based installations
by Bobe on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 19:36 UTC in reply to "LiveCD based installations"
Bobe Member since:
2006-12-12

I think the benefits of a live cd are that people who would like to try a particular distribution of Linux, but may not want to blow away their existing setup to do so in case they don't like it, will have a chance to run the full burrito before committing themselves to a switch.

It's like test driving a car really.

I applaud Fedora's efforts in this matter.

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RE[2]: LiveCD based installations
by jessta on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 03:24 UTC in reply to "RE: LiveCD based installations"
jessta Member since:
2005-08-17

The thing about Distro LiveCDs is that they are all the same. The real differences between distros are package management, installation and support. None of which can be seen on a liveCD.

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RE[3]: LiveCD based installations
by Rahul on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 03:53 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LiveCD based installations"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

Thats so not true. There are several other things like application defaults, look and feel, integration etc that make a very significant amount of difference between distributions.

Even if I do take your list as the important items, package management works perfectly fine in the Fedora Live cd since it uses a setup capable of installing packages onto the live cd directly. Moreover the Fedora Live cd installer hooks into the same package management setup and installer as the normal system and works exactly the same. Support if you mean those offered on those forums and mailing lists can be easily checked by just visiting the past posts on those topics too.

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RE[4]: LiveCD based installations
by ojh77 on Sun 4th Feb 2007 20:10 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LiveCD based installations"
ojh77 Member since:
2005-12-19

How about testing for hardware compatibility? Especially when shopping for a LAPTOP you want to use with Linux! Just boot off of a recent Live CD to see what gets detected and configured properly.

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fredb1974 Member since:
2006-01-31

Just following Ubuntu, Gentoo and many other more.

Just a way to see if you like or dislike a distro.

I will never use again a rpm-based distro (ah, rpm-hell) but live cd is a good thing.

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RE[3]: LiveCD based installations
by Rahul on Sat 3rd Feb 2007 22:06 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: LiveCD based installations"
Rahul Member since:
2005-07-06

What RPM hell are you talking about? You do realize that end users are using yum, apt-rpm, smart or whatever automatic dependency resolving package management systems and not RPM. Right?

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Finalzone Member since:
2005-07-06

*Sigh* That is not excuse. Obviously you have not tried the true basic package management system like dpkg and compiling from source for Ubuntu (Debian based) and Gentoo (which uses tarball format) respectively to make such statements. Not knowing how a package management system works just exposes your ignorance.

Edited 2007-02-03 22:55

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RE: LiveCD based installations
by Clinton on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 19:39 UTC in reply to "LiveCD based installations"
Clinton Member since:
2005-07-05

It is a good thing because it allows users to try out the system without having to resize, reconfigure, or re-anything an existing computer. They also don't have to rely on having access to another machine in order to try Linux.

If they like what they see, they install it on their machine. If they don't, pop out the CD/DVD, reboot, and go on with life.

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Market network installations!
by h3rman on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 13:43 UTC
h3rman
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2006-08-09

I like network installations, because they are generally very up-to-date and they don't have you burn stuff on CD or DVD that you may not even end up needing.

Unfortunately, these installers are poorly marketed, and some distributions even have poor options. Suse for example makes it hard to even tell the installers which mirror you want to use, something that Debian does very well; not to mention Fedora, that manages to be very good at hiding the fact that such a thing as a Fedora netinstall even exists.

In fact, we may say that 1 CD installers like the ones Ubuntu uses are actually pretty much network installers too, if you want your own non-US locale and even a tiny number of say Qt apps if you use Ubuntu, because you end up downloading a lot while installing.

Maybe it is an idea to 'sell' network installers (a word that might scare some) as "broadband installers" because they are especially good for broadband internet. People would think, yeah I can use that, after all I have broadband internet. Ideally, people could boot from an .iso on a USB stick, no more hassle with CD-RW.
It probably limits bandwidth for the mirrors too, because say I want to install Suse, I first download a massive DVD, then I install, and then I update, downloading again. I may well have left more than a GB unused.

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RE: Market network installations!
by macisaac on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 15:32 UTC in reply to "Market network installations!"
macisaac Member since:
2005-08-28

one annoyance I've come across with some "broadband" installers is if they don't include anything to enable a pppoe connection making it rather trying to actually install the thing.

one network-based install method that I find fedora/redhat particularly shines at though is nfs installs. beautiful stuff. just export a dir with the ISO files in them (no need to explode them or anything), type linux askmethod at the boot prompt, choose nfs and point it in the right place and voila! very fast, convenient, etc.

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many more shots
by lqsh on Fri 2nd Feb 2007 14:12 UTC
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Member since:
2007-01-01
RPM Hell
by fredb1974 on Sun 4th Feb 2007 09:49 UTC
fredb1974
Member since:
2006-01-31

Just thinking you have to had 25 mirrors just to get as much software packages you can get with main + universe + multiverse with ubuntu.

From my own experience, I found rpm slower and bigger than deb packages.

Maybe bad distros, like FC3 or FC4 or even Mandrake 9.1 in their own times ? ;)

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