Linked by Thom Holwerda on Fri 9th Feb 2007 23:00 UTC
Mandriva, Mandrake, Lycoris The first beta release of the upcoming Mandriva Linux 2007.1 is now available for download and testing: "Mandriva Linux 2007 Spring Beta1. Main changes: GNOME 2.17; KDE 3.5.6; Firefox 2.0; new suspend and hibernate infrastructure (with bootsplash support); new DNS servers framework (using resolvconf to handle DNS servers from multiple interfaces, and sort them by interface priority); documentation is included on live systems." Update: AdamW, OSNews reader and Mandriva employee, just emailed me that the .iso images of the Mandriva One live version are not yet the official beta version; the version currently on their servers is an earlier version with certain issues. The conventional installation .iso's are fine, though. The correct Mandriva One 2007.1 Beta 1 .iso's will be released early next week.
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v I'm tiring of Mandriva
by Mouilnneuf on Fri 9th Feb 2007 23:55 UTC
RE: I'm tiring of Mandriva
by Moulinneuf on Sat 10th Feb 2007 02:34 UTC in reply to "I'm tiring of Mandriva"
Moulinneuf Member since:
2005-07-06

Nice identity theft .... reversing one letter in my name ...

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v RE[2]: I'm tiring of Mandriva
by Mouilnneuf on Sat 10th Feb 2007 08:04 UTC in reply to "RE: I'm tiring of Mandriva"
RE[2]: I'm tiring of Mandriva
by sbergman27 on Sat 10th Feb 2007 18:48 UTC in reply to "RE: I'm tiring of Mandriva"
sbergman27 Member since:
2005-07-24

If that doesn't violate the OSNews terms of use... it should.

Even after you pointed this out, I had to inspect very carefully before I saw what you were talking about.

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v RE[3]: I'm tiring of Mandriva
by Mouilnneuf on Sat 10th Feb 2007 19:16 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: I'm tiring of Mandriva"
bootsplash
by MamiyaOtaru on Sat 10th Feb 2007 01:59 UTC
MamiyaOtaru
Member since:
2005-11-11

Suspend/hibernate with bootsplash support? Is that bootsplash as in the huge kernel patch that's basically been deprecated? Gensplash, usplash, splashy and redhat's gtk based thing (forgot the name) are all far more maintainable than bootsplash.

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Great distribution
by siimo on Sat 10th Feb 2007 02:10 UTC
siimo
Member since:
2006-06-22

People have been talking about how they are losing money etc but still I like how this distribution is packaged. Everything seems to be designed with a non geeky user in mind and "it should just work" attitude.

Some people may not agree but I like their urpmi utility better than redhat/fedora's Yum. Also they have some nice configuration tools to aid non savvy users.

Mandriva along with SuSE and a few others have had one of the most polished KDE desktops that is a pleasure to use and more recently they have been putting some work in the Gnome Desktop as well with their new themes and a nicely packaged Gnome 2.16 desktop in 2007.0

I am also a big fan of their installer which is one of the most user friendly installers around - the part where other installers lack user friendliness usually, drive partitioning is a breeze with their installer.

Mandriva, then Mandrake was the reason I switched to Linux in the first place back around 2001. I still use it on my laptop.

I look forward to the final release of 2007.1.

Reply Score: 5

shiny things
by AdamW on Sat 10th Feb 2007 02:54 UTC
AdamW
Member since:
2005-07-06

should note the new versions of the bits everyone cares about these days...

compiz 0.36
beryl 0.2.0 beta 2 (rc1 got in just too late to make this beta, but you can get it from cooker)

there's KDE 4 stuff in contrib, but obviously not usable, just for poking. also metisse in contrib.

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v Mandriva's founder...
by JacobMunoz on Sat 10th Feb 2007 03:20 UTC
RE: Mandriva's founder...
by AdamW on Sat 10th Feb 2007 03:27 UTC in reply to "Mandriva's founder..."
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

When is this off-topic stuff going to stop being posted on _every single_ Mandriva story?

It happened a long time ago. It was extensively discussed at the time. This post is about the first beta of ML 2007.1. It has absolutely nothing to do with Gael. Please take the discussion somewhere appropriate. The update you characterize as "fairly recent" is from March 2006 - i.e. nearly a year ago.

Edited 2007-02-10 03:28

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RE[2]: Mandriva's founder...
by JacobMunoz on Sat 10th Feb 2007 06:46 UTC in reply to "RE: Mandriva's founder..."
JacobMunoz Member since:
2006-03-17

Good points, I'm sorry these types of things stick with people (especially in small business)...

I would like to point out that the URL on the linked article that claims to be a 4,446 MB DVD ISO download is actually 349 MB, since you're with Mandriva you might be able to rectify this, or notify the author/editor.

Edited 2007-02-10 06:49

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RE[2]: Mandriva's founder...
by ou_ryperd on Sat 10th Feb 2007 08:18 UTC in reply to "RE: Mandriva's founder..."
ou_ryperd Member since:
2005-07-06

Adam, you can't expect people who care about Mandriva and have been using it for years to forget about Gael as if he was never there.

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RE[3]: Mandriva's founder...
by lezard on Sat 10th Feb 2007 10:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Mandriva's founder..."
lezard Member since:
2005-10-11

Well, I agree that firing the creator doesn't give a good image. But you can't forget that actually people like Marly, Blino and Adam are there, working to create a good product (which is the case) and a useful community. Why do you want to keep talking about quite old news and demotivate the one that are still working in Mandriva ?

Reply Score: 2

RE[4]: Mandriva's founder...
by lezard on Mon 12th Feb 2007 14:36 UTC in reply to "RE[3]: Mandriva's founder..."
lezard Member since:
2005-10-11

Not a funny thing when I speak about motivation and Warly : http://daily.warly.org/static/9.html
Yep, Warly is leaving Mandriva, good luck to him !

Reply Score: 1

garret
Member since:
2005-09-18

I've really tried to stay out of the Gael Duval issue, but it keeps coming up so I'll dive in. Mandriva is a company, with stock holders. It's responsibility is to those stock holders, period! I would imagine that even includes Gael.It is managements responsibility to do what is best for the company by way of the stock holders. Often hard choices have to be made. Some are right, some are wrong. Either way, what happened with Mandriva is more of the norm NOT the exception. Companies grow and change, often out growing founders, very often. Out with the old, in with the new and all of that. It takes a different kind of person at some period. IMHO, Gael probably should have left earlier on his own, and on to doing what he does best, and that is STARTING something great, not running something great.

About Mandriva . . .
I was a huge Mandriva fan boy for many years, starting with the first release. I continue to believe that urpmi is hands down the best package management available. At our company we used Mandriva on a regular basis and at one time we even handled the North American support for a good number of their products.

While the "geek" in me would like to see Mandriva do well, the business man in me has to move on. Dealing with the company on a business relationship was nothing less than horid. We (I) stuck in there much longer than we should have, hoping things would change, but they just never did.

So good luck to Mandriva, I'd like to see you revitalized . . . I just don't believe it's going to happen.

Reply Score: 3

Gael, ISO etc
by AdamW on Sat 10th Feb 2007 16:26 UTC
AdamW
Member since:
2005-07-06

Jacob, the ISO is truly 4.4GB. Some clients have trouble downloading files larger than 4GB. Try using a dedicated FTP client rather than a browser to download the file.

ou_ryperd, I don't expect anyone to forget about Gael, it just seems silly to keep bringing it up every time any piece of news about Mandriva is posted. Everyone has their own position on what happened. It's not like anyone comes up with anything *new* - someone will post "Mandriva killed Gael!!!!", a few people will agree, then someone will say "it was just a business decision, get over it!" and a few people will agree with that person. Every time. There's no new information, no new perspectives, nothing. It's just a bunch of hot air. Why keep doing it?

One other thing: blino let me know beryl isn't actually on the beta 1 DVD, so scratch that from the list of stuff that's 'included'. However, you can just pull it from Cooker, then drak3d will let you configure it.

Reply Score: 3

rpmi cache
by netpython on Sat 10th Feb 2007 17:09 UTC
netpython
Member since:
2005-07-06

If somehow package dependencies haven't been met *all* the packages are being downloaded again.Rather irritating bahaviour.

Reply Score: 2

RE: rpmi cache
by AdamW on Sat 10th Feb 2007 17:50 UTC in reply to "rpmi cache"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

yeah, that's annoying. there's a bug filed on it already. I'm trying to get some attention paid to it. If you use urpmi you can do urpmi --noclean to avoid this (just remember to clean out /var/cache/urpmi/rpms manually occasionally), but you can't avoid it with rpmdrake.

Reply Score: 2

Don't use Doctor
by AdamW on Sat 10th Feb 2007 20:03 UTC
AdamW
Member since:
2005-07-06

Important note: please don't use the One ISOs currently on the mirrors, codenamed 'doctor'. These are an internal test version that shouldn't have been uploaded. The final One ISOs will be uploaded some time ahead of the official announcement of this beta on Monday.

The conventional installer DVD ISO, codenamed loolapop, is fine.

I've mailed Thom to ask him to add this info to the main story.

Reply Score: 4

RE: Don't use Doctor
by fsckit on Sun 11th Feb 2007 01:25 UTC in reply to "Don't use Doctor"
fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

Since you are with Mandriva and mentioned the One cd, I thought I'd make note of a severe flaw with that thing. About six months ago I thought I'd try out Mandriva so I downloaded the One cd, because a DVD ISO is just ridiculous. There are no freaking man pages on that thing! And since I've never used Mandriva it makes it a bit difficult to figure out how urpmi is supposed to work to install man-pages if there's no man page to begin with. What the heck are you guys thinking? If it's a space issue because it's one cd can't you drop one of the bloatware apps to free up the 80 or so Megs it takes for man pages?

Reply Score: 2

RE[2]: Don't use Doctor
by AdamW on Sun 11th Feb 2007 06:04 UTC in reply to "RE: Don't use Doctor"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

See the change notes: http://wiki.mandriva.com/Releases/Mandriva/2007.1/Development/Beta1

"Documentation is included on live systems"

i.e., the man pages are now included in One.

Reply Score: 3

RE[3]: Don't use Doctor
by fsckit on Sun 11th Feb 2007 06:18 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Don't use Doctor"
fsckit Member since:
2006-09-24

Thanks for pointing that out Adam. I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything about it, but it just seemed like insanity. I'll pull down the beta and poke at it sometime soon.

Reply Score: 2

Wanna Try It?
by Wemgadge on Mon 12th Feb 2007 00:24 UTC
Wemgadge
Member since:
2005-07-02

If you don't mind hosing your existing Mandriva install (ie: not a mission critical box) then you can try this build by going to easyurpmi http://easyurpmi.zarb.org/
and selecting Cooker from the repository lists.
Su or Sudo and remember to type urpmi.removemedia -a first, in order to reinitialize urpmi's setup.
Then paste in the results of your script into a console:

urpmi.addmedia Cooker_Mirror_main http://mandrake.mirrors.pair.com/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/me... with media_info/hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia Cooker_Mirror_contrib http://mandrake.mirrors.pair.com/Mandrakelinux/devel/cooker/i586/me... with media_info/hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia Cooker_Mirror_plf-free ftp://gsa10.eps.cdf.udc.es/plf/mandriva/cooker/free/binary/i586/ with hdlist.cz
urpmi.addmedia Cooker_Mirror_plf-nonfree ftp://gsa10.eps.cdf.udc.es/plf/mandriva/cooker/non-free/binary/i58... with hdlist.cz

Once urpmi setup is complete, just type:

urpmi.update -a
urpmi --auto-select -v

These commands are the Mandriva equivalent of apt-get dist-upgrade and work very very well.

Since Adam West posted this hint the first time last year, I have used these commands to upgrade my packages regularly and they really work very well.

Cheers

Matt

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RE: Wanna Try It?
by Wemgadge on Mon 12th Feb 2007 04:38 UTC in reply to "Wanna Try It?"
Wemgadge Member since:
2005-07-02

Forgot to mention that these commands do not actually upgrade the linux kernel. They upgrade your GNU and your non-free goodies (assuming you selected PLF).

This build fixes the way that x-windows draws baghira... so I am happy.

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RE: Wanna Try It?
by AdamW on Mon 12th Feb 2007 04:40 UTC in reply to "Wanna Try It?"
AdamW Member since:
2005-07-06

I *wish* I was Adam West. Then I'd be rich and have a really cool role in Family Guy. Unfortunately I'm just Adam Williamson. ;)

Here's an update to the tip - you don't need to do two separate commands any more. You can now (since about halfway between 2006 and 2007, actually) do:

urpmi --auto-update

it basically just does both of those commands together (like dist-upgrade). And yes, you can use that method to bring you up to date with Cooker at any point, just don't blame us for anything that breaks afterwards ;)

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