Linked by Thom Holwerda on Sat 17th Mar 2007 19:32 UTC, submitted by Kaj de Vos
Syllable, AtheOS Thanks to improvements in PThreads support in the new version 0.6.3 of the Syllable desktop operating system, the Transmission BitTorrent client could be ported. Currently only the CLI version works. The project is looking for a volunteer to put a GUI on it, possibly by porting the BeOS GUI. Transmission is included in a new version of the Network Necessities package collection. Furthermore, there are new versions of the Developer's Delight and PERL Pit collections, with many updated packages. Most notably, GCC is now the new version 4.1.2. Also, a new version was released of the sIDE native integrated development environment. Lastly, there is now a driver for the popular SysKonnect/Marvell Yukon1 gigabit ethernet chips.
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Congrats!
by bryanv on Sat 17th Mar 2007 21:33 UTC
bryanv
Member since:
2005-08-26

Congrats to the Syllable team for improving their PThread support and getting a very valuable utility for users!

As for porting the BeOS GUI, you may want to just make your own... The BeOS GUI has some serious improvements to be made (many because Transmission has improved dramatically) before I'd recommend it as a baseline. I should know, I wrote the first version of it.

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RE: Congrats!
by nhubbard on Sat 17th Mar 2007 21:53 UTC in reply to "Congrats!"
nhubbard Member since:
2006-10-03

If only it would get support for any of my three motherboards so I can actually run it. I know, I shouldn't be so pessimistic, but I was actually excited about Syllable at one time.

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RE[2]: Congrats!
by Vanders on Sat 17th Mar 2007 22:00 UTC in reply to "RE: Congrats!"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Have you raised a bug report or otherwise spoken to the developers about any of the issues you've had? Please raise a bug report. If we don't get bug reports we can't fix the bugs.

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Transmission
by lopisaur on Sat 17th Mar 2007 23:09 UTC
lopisaur
Member since:
2006-02-27

It's great news for Syllable. But the Transmission guys should finally get their act together and make their client fully BitTorrent compatible so it doesn't get banned from the trackers anymore.

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RE: Transmission
by StephenBeDoper on Sun 18th Mar 2007 02:07 UTC in reply to "Transmission"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

What trackers is it banned from? I use Transmission pretty frequently under BeOS and haven't run into that problem.

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RE[2]: Transmission
by Tweek on Sun 18th Mar 2007 02:12 UTC in reply to "RE: Transmission"
Tweek Member since:
2006-01-12

Every major private community tracker.

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RE[3]: Transmission
by StephenBeDoper on Mon 19th Mar 2007 03:51 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Transmission"
StephenBeDoper Member since:
2005-07-06

Any specific ones? I haven't run into any problems with SonOfShun, for example.

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RE[2]: Transmission
by mezz on Sun 18th Mar 2007 02:11 UTC in reply to "Transmission"
mezz Member since:
2005-06-29

But the Transmission guys should finally get their act together and make their client fully BitTorrent compatible so it doesn't get banned from the trackers anymore.

Those bugs are supposed to be fixed in the HEAD (0.7, in SVN).

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RE[3]: Transmission
by lopisaur on Sun 18th Mar 2007 10:34 UTC in reply to "RE[2]: Transmission"
lopisaur Member since:
2006-02-27

I looked it up and apparently they are fixing it for 0.7. That is really great news, because Transmission IS a great client and the only one that traverses my NAT correctly. Sadly it is banned on the private trackers I use, since it announces to the tracker every 5 minutes instead of every 25 like it is supposed to.

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v Doesn't work under Parallels
by theosib on Sun 18th Mar 2007 02:46 UTC
RE: Doesn't work under Parallels
by Vanders on Sun 18th Mar 2007 11:24 UTC in reply to "Doesn't work under Parallels"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

The links to the LiveCD all appear to be working fine and take me right to http://livecd.syllable-norden.info which in turn links to Sendspace which lets me download the CD. So I'm not sure why you had difficultly; if you found a link that points someplace else or doesn't work, please let us know.

As for your problems on Parallels, we would appreciate a more detailed bug report but you must bear in mind Parallels is an emulator and can also have bugs or exhibit odd behaviour that requires us to add specific support before Syllable will work correctly. This has been true of both VMWare and Virtual PC in the past, for example. Syllable does run nicely on a wide range of emulators and virtual machines as well as a real hardware.

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BurningShadow Member since:
2006-09-07

He's right, the LiveCD link wasn't working. I fixed it this morning.

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Then I do apologise, theosib. We dropped the ball on that one.

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Syllable and Haiku are neat and all.. but..
by BSDfan on Sun 18th Mar 2007 05:12 UTC
BSDfan
Member since:
2007-03-14

I personally am not a fan of using C++ in the kernel..

Well, I don't like C++ at all really.. ;-)

Hooray for individuality ?

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cipri Member since:
2007-02-15

Syllable uses a lot of C++ , but I don't think that the kernel is written in C++. I think it is only C , so far as I know.
C++ is a very powerfull tool, it is worth learning it. In particular templates are something you don't get from any language. Make use of the boost library and you'll see the difference.

I tested Syllable on more than 10 different computers (P1,P2,P3,P4........), and installing it was never a problem.

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

There is no C++ in the kernel. At one point someone even submitted a patch that would allow the use of basic C++ in the kernel and I rejected it. All of the high level system components are written in C++ and currently the high level APIs are only available for C++, but we do plan to offer wrappers and libraries for other languages in the future.

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predictor Member since:
2006-11-30

"There is no C++ in the kernel. At one point someone even submitted a patch that would allow the use of basic C++ in the kernel and I rejected it."

Why? I work on a C++ kernel and have no problems with it (only plusses mostly).

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Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

Because the Syllable kernel was not written with C++ and adding it would be a wart. Adding C++ within the kernel doesn't bring you much in the way of additional features. A kernel written in C++ could be great, but I don't think mixing C and C++ is a good idea in something as complex as a kernel.

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Slightly off-topic
by adamk on Sun 18th Mar 2007 11:36 UTC
adamk
Member since:
2005-07-08

Is there any way, in the base system now, to remotely access your Syllable system? At one point, there was a telnet server which worked (well, it logged you in as root, without checking your password, but at least it logged you in), but I think that was removed (for obvious reasons), and the sshd server never worked when I previously tried.

Adam

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RE: Slightly off-topic
by Vanders on Sun 18th Mar 2007 12:06 UTC in reply to "Slightly off-topic"
Vanders Member since:
2005-07-06

telnetd may be "working" again now, and we have heard from people in the past that sshd works provided you are using key based authentication rather than password based, so they may be worth trying again.

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Very slick...
by Randy101 on Sun 18th Mar 2007 18:32 UTC
Randy101
Member since:
2007-03-18

I first learned about Syllable several months ago & have been following the project off & on since then. There's a lot of potential - they've done lots of positive things that combine to make a powerful OS: modest hardware rqm'ts, quick boot times, clean layout, etc. 'Probably the most compelling thing about the project is their focus on the desktop. Looking around their site you can see that there have been attempts to drive Syllable towards the server, embedded devices, etc. - the team has always been polite but firm: they're out to build the best OS - for the desktop. Their dedication to the effort is amazing. I downloaded their previous release & was taken back by what they had accomplished. I can't wait for them to get this thing a little further along. I wish I was a developer, just so I could contibute.

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RE: Very slick...
by mcduck on Sun 18th Mar 2007 19:18 UTC in reply to "Very slick..."
mcduck Member since:
2005-11-23

I wish I was a developer, just so I could contibute.

But you can!

Its a common mistake that just becuse you cant code, you cant contribute to a project. You can help out with testing, writing bug reports, artwork, help write documentation/how-to's, update their wiki and much more.

In my mind, this work is no less important than the actual coding.

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RE: Very slick...
by cau0730 on Sun 18th Mar 2007 21:10 UTC
cau0730
Member since:
2005-07-06

I have to say that even a non-developer can develop small projects on Syllable. The api is easy to use and we have a gui design tool that automates a lot of the code for you! This would be the perfect opportunity to learn programming!

Rick

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RE[2]: Very slick...
by mcduck on Sun 18th Mar 2007 21:58 UTC in reply to "RE: Very slick..."
mcduck Member since:
2005-11-23

I have to say that even a non-developer can develop small projects on Syllable. The api is easy to use and we have a gui design tool that automates a lot of the code for you! This would be the perfect opportunity to learn programming!

Rick


Why is this post beeing modded down?
It's not spam, its not attacking anybody, and its not off-topic.

Sometimes i just want to bang my head in the wall seeing how people abuse the moderation system.

(But feel free to mod down this post as beeing off-topic)

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