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I'd download it and seed a torrent if the stupid wepage had direct links to the .zip file instead of some weird JS setup.

I'd download it and seed a torrent if the stupid wepage had direct links to the .zip file instead of some weird JS setup.
Edited: Removed URL. Sorry Vasper, I just read your post about your hosts rules.

Edited 2007-03-21 18:30

Cheers, just grabbed it from the download dialog box using Konqy.

Why does Firefox not show the URL too?

Or am I just stupid/blind?

Anyway, 2hrs to go at 40KBps using axel. :-)

Cheers, just grabbed it from the download dialog box using Konqy.

Why does Firefox not show the URL too?

Or am I just stupid/blind?

Anyway, 2hrs to go at 40KBps using axel. :-)

No, you view the source of index.php to find out the jump code. Look at functions to find out the URL syntax. Then paste it into wget and it resolved the absolute path for you. Sorry again Vasper, at least this time I didn't post the path to the zip.

" Edited: Removed URL. Sorry Vasper, I just read your post about your hosts rules. "

Well, i'm using axel to download it using 10 connections but I have visited the webpage too so i hope this is ok?

Thanks for the clarification.

So, does that make it just one of your own custom attributes then? Since MaxUpdater is obviously your code, I assume it doesn't have to rely on anything built into BeOS PE when it's trying to determine if the system needs updates.

Probably not, but hey, who's gonna sue?

Is a "distribution" of "real" BeOS even legal?

I don't think distributing it is illegal. The issue of doing a native install to a HDD is what has always been in question. I own a legal copy of BeOS 5 Pro that I can install legally, but honestly I'd rather have someone else patch it for me, and thats why I use Max.

I don't think distributing it is illegal.

Well that's a different issue, though I somehow doubt it's legal anyway. What I mean by "distribution" is a "modified copy of BeOS". AFAIK only the people who bought the rights to BeOS from Be (at one point I think that was Palm, but now, God knows) would have the right to change the source code and distribute the changed versions.

Well that's a different issue, though I somehow doubt it's legal anyway. What I mean by "distribution" is a "modified copy of BeOS". AFAIK only the people who bought the rights to BeOS from Be (at one point I think that was Palm, but now, God knows) would have the right to change the source code and distribute the changed versions.

I could be wrong, but I don't believe any source code is being modified. Max Edition is just PE with updated drivers and Apps. It's like downloading a freely available OS that happens to come with all the updates.

Good question.

BeOS PE was free version, BeOS PRO you had to pay for.

I don't think a company could go after you if you modified PE *and* made it clear that it was a modified version of BeOS PE (which was free at the time).

Why would the company go after you if the distro was well done, based on the free version and helped to promote the OS? If it was buggy then it would be in their interest to get you to stop.

Even if it was illegal. Who would go after him? I don't see Palm doing anything with BeOS. They don't sell it or do anything else with it. They've gone over to using Linux instead in their devices. Costs them less than to maintain their own OS.

Why would the company go after you if the distro was well done, based on the free version and helped to promote the OS? If it was buggy then it would be in their interest to get you to stop.

Even if it was illegal. Who would go after him? I don't see Palm doing anything with BeOS. They don't sell it or do anything else with it. They've gone over to using Linux instead in their devices. Costs them less than to maintain their own OS.

I can name plenty of products that have fallen by the wayside on the "if we can't sell it, nobody can" basis. Yes, it's childish, but it's also how many business operate.

Only company using BeOS source to develop BeOS clone is Yellowtab (now Zeta team?). They are "supposed" to have the source code to BeOS.

MAX does NOT change the source code of BeOS. It is basically BeOS 5 with newer drivers, updated programs & some patches (to fix a couple of issues).

Edited 2007-03-21 20:27

& some patches (to fix a couple of issues).

And by patches, we're talking about binary hacks on the bootloader/kernel, etc. to make it work with "too much memory" and newer AMD processors that the original R5 code couldn't handle.

BTW, the torrent listed on the beosmaxfiles site doesn't work for my in Bittorrent on Windows

Edited 2007-03-21 20:34

"BTW, the torrent listed on the beosmaxfiles site doesn't work for my in Bittorrent on Windows "

http://thepiratebay.org/tor/3644324/BeOS5PEMaxEditionV4b1

"BTW, the torrent listed on the beosmaxfiles site doesn't work for my in Bittorrent on Windows "

Bittorrent didn't work for me also. I uninstalled it but azureus does works...
Unfortunatly my current computer isn't supported.

That would be telling ;-) Some one did a PowerPC build about 2 years ago - with the new app server and other new stuff (but without BONE.) Someone somewhere must have the source to a post R5 version of BeOS. As to who.. I really couldn't tell you. I honestly don't know.

http://qube.ru/gallery/item/beos_r45_on_eight_ip3_550mhz_2/

http://qube.ru/gallery/item/beos_r45_on_eight_ip3_550mhz_1/

As pointed out to me in a previous article (when the "Haiku icon" first appeared on OSNews): It merely stands for "BeOS and Derivatives" (but not including Zeta). I too find it somewhat misleading, but I guess they didn't really want to maintain a separate BeOS and Haiku topic.

On the other hand, BeOS Max V4 does appear to contain some items from the Haiku repo, so it could arguably be "related" - but not any less so than Zeta.

"A modified BeOS PE is a derived version and that makes it illegal to distribute but the burden is on the copyright holder to take action to prevent. In the case of mass distribution, it may be actioned by a state. However, a patch that modifies the original is legal. "

Except most of the world doesn't live in the USA. Including the creator of BeOS MAX, who lives in a sane country with sane laws it seems.

"A modified BeOS PE is a derived version and that makes it illegal to distribute but the burden is on the copyright holder to take action to prevent. In the case of mass distribution, it may be actioned by a state. However, a patch that modifies the original is legal. "

Except most of the world doesn't live in the USA. Including the creator of BeOS MAX, who lives in a sane country with sane laws it seems.

The Berne Convention covers this. As of 2006, 162 countries were signatories. As for what individual countries do within their borders or negotiate at treaty level, that's a whole different ballgame.

And as a proud owner of a BeOS R5 CD and the BeOS Bible I take a very real offense to the shenanigans the people behind Zeta seem to be pulling. Zeta's only purpose for being appears to be in scamming the ignorant out of monies which would be better off spent supporting Haiku.

The liquidation of the old company, transfer of intellectual property, and starting again as if nothing happened smacks of investor stupidity or outright scam. Zeta lost millions the first time around. This time looks like a repeat run. I'm sure that if a fraction of investor and customer money was invested in Haiku it would be better spent.

Edited 2007-03-22 02:18

The liquidation of the old company, transfer of intellectual property, and starting again as if nothing happened smacks of investor stupidity or outright scam.

Are you even sure there was a transfer of intellectual property? Everything I've read simply states that Magnussoft is DISTRIBUTING Zeta... it seems there's some intentionally vague language there.

Yeah, now you mention it, who's the guy that jumped companies? Apparently, he's the one who "owns" the rights to the BeOS code. When the first company went down in flames the investors were left with nothing, he whistles off with the "rights" to the BeOS code, and repeats the trick. I guess, that's where the "distributing" thing comes in. Looks like a scam company to me.

Have they code the entire source or is Zeta just some Frankenstein monster of dubious provenance? I don't trust a single word they say, and nothing short of an independent audit that proves they've got the entire source and a piece of signed paper that gives them the rights to sell it will get me to change my mind. If Atari patched Blood and distributed it they'd get prosecuted. How is Zeta different?

Edited 2007-03-22 04:54

Exactly!

And as a proud owner of a BeOS R5 CD and the BeOS Bible I take a very real offense to the shenanigans the people behind Zeta seem to be pulling. Zeta's only purpose for being appears to be in scamming the ignorant out of monies which would be better off spent supporting Haiku.

BeOS Max-- not so much so, because like you said BeOS Max is more or less just to help people run what they already have. It makes running an up to date system easy for those like myself who don't really feel up to the task of patching the System to run on their hardware.

[Sighs] I really wish Be had managed to somehow survive...

--bornagainpenguin

"does anyone have the complete torrent ? ?

it shows only %78 availability with lots of missing chunks...."

I left axel running overnight to find out it had given up at 80%.

Started the torrent which "resumed" the unfinsished archive at 25% but is downloading at 180KBps.

I'll "superseed" it for a few days at least once it's complete but I only have 64KBps upload speed.

It would be great if someone purchased the Be Inc name and brought the company back to life for the sole purpose BeOS.

Deader parrots have squawked. I would like to see that happen if the original vision was developed, and if Microsoft's vendor lock-in could be neutered, it might make sense for Dell et all, to get behind supplying BeOS as an option on equal terms. And if Microsoft played nice, I don't see why they couldn't supply a port of their applications. The game is up for them in the long-term in any case. Less if, more when. Would be nice if everyone could get along.

"At least six of us had our torrent download stop at 94.5% complete. Over the next few hours, we've managed to crawl up to 95.2% complete. This is over a sixteen hour period. (All peers, no seeds.)"

I'm "Force Seeding" it right now with BitTyrant, finished downloading it a coupe of hours ago.

edit:

Only one person is getting it from me, and they are in China.

Edited 2007-03-22 14:41

Well, there are still six of us who are now @96.8% after almost 24 hours now. The download rate is currently 0K. The tracker URL is http://tracker.torrentbox.com:2710/announce.
It doesn't look promising.

I've now gone back to http://www.beosmaxfiles.org/ to see that the torrent link has now changed from [TBox] BeOS5PEMaxEditionV31b1.zip.torrent to BeOS5PEMaxEditionV4b1.3644324.TPB.torrent.

That's most likely the cause of the problem: changing the links in midstream.

EDIT: The newer link pointing to Pirate Bay doesn't work. Bad encoded data.

Edited 2007-03-22 21:44

"
EDIT: The newer link pointing to Pirate Bay doesn't work. Bad encoded data. "

Worked fine for me.

Still doesn't work. I tried BitTornado and BitTorrent under Linux. BitTorrent gives error "BeOS5PEMaxEditionV4b1.3644324.TPB.torrent" is not a valid torrent file (not a valid bencoded string)".

Now what?

Vasper

I need help, please.

I have a Pentium D 950 CPU (64bit capable)

There are four cues available, 2 for AMD and 2 for Intel.
Which one I am supposed to use?
Sorry, I have been looking everywhere for further info.
Also I tried to register at the forum, but it gives me an error (user name already taken, before I even enter one)
Thanks

Thanks. I'll try now and I'll let you know.

Try this, it works ofr me on Kubuntu 7.04.

http://bittyrant.cs.washington.edu/#downloads

Or just install normal Azureus using your package manager.

OK, reporting.
So I burnt both 1024 images.
The AMD one booted for a second but then kept rebooting. I suppose it was to be expected, but I wanted to try because in Linux they often call AMD64 isos for all 64 bit processors.
The Intel one booted, but then stopped after a short while and was stuck. Clearly some of my hardware is not supported.
Then I tried the latter in VMware as a LiveCD, simulating 2 processors.
Everything fine, except that I haven't succeeded in having network connection so far.
I want to thank you for working again at this project.
When you announced that you were going to stop I was sorry to hear that.

Hi Vasper, nice distro!

I have a Core2 Duo machine with 2GB of RAM, tried booting with the 1024 Intel cue burnt but to no avail. The system stops booting after about 5 seconds.

On VirtualPC it runs fine, even with Paravirtualization enabled (Vista 64 bit). The only issue I've had running with a VM is that Deskbar crashes when I want to shutdown or reboot. Not a big issue obviously, it only happened once at a random time (ie not when I was shutting down the system).

If you have somewhere I can send any bug reports I get, I would be more than happy to help out.

Thanks for your work, BeOS Max v4 looks like it's gonna shape up to be a great OS.

It works with qemu, but only with the BeOS PE Edition:
http://www.apfelwiki.de/Main/QEMU
Although it is in German, it is understandable, I hope.
If you try to install Zeta or BeOS Pro in qemu via CD-ROM, it doesn't work, because no access to the CD is possible.

VMWare Server is 100% free.

found the problem with the forums... will fix soon

Update: fixed

Edited 2007-03-24 07:59